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Daniel Ouellet | 1 Jul 2006 02:22

Re: News From HiFn

J.C. Roberts wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 14:27:53 -0400, "Nick Guenther" <kousue <at> gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> On 6/30/06, Breen Ouellette <openbsdmisc <at> breeno.net> wrote:
>>> J.C. Roberts wrote:
>>>> This should take care of any of the long standing issues OpenBSD has had
>>>> with the HiFn's procedures for releasing documentation.
>>> This is good news. Thanks for your contribution!
>>>
>>> To all the nay-sayers out there: this proves that sometimes companies do
>>> 'get' their customers' wishes. Consumer action does work - as long as
>>> the consumer actually gets involved. While you might not always be able
>>> to get the attention of companies through consumer action, apathetically
>>> accepting the status quo guarantees that you never will.
>>>
>>> Thanks to everyone who got involved - you proved that "somewhat open" is
>>> no more acceptable than "not at all open" by bringing Hifn on board.
>>>
>>> Breeno
>>>
>>> PS - Someone who participates in editing vendorwatch.org might want to
>>> update the Hifn status page.
>> Done, but I've left their ranking as "unfriendly" on the front page
>> because they've given no apology and they still seem to be shady.
>>
>> If someone could add the links to the slashdot/newsforge/whereverelse
>> stories that would be helpful though.
>>
>> -Nick
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D. E. Evans | 1 Jul 2006 01:19

interupt mapping

On a Toshiba Satellite a35-s1593, without a PC-card currently plugged
in, I get a mapping error for the CardBus (cbb).  I intend to purchase
a wireless PC-Card (I haven't decided on model yet), and wish to
ensure it will work with the cardbus before doing so.

OpenBSD 3.9 (GENERIC) #617: Thu Mar  2 02:26:48 MST 2006
    deraadt <at> i386.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC
cpu0: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.80GHz ("GenuineIntel" 686-class) 2.80 GHz
cpu0: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,SBF,CNXT-ID
real mem  = 770154496 (752104K)
avail mem = 695263232 (678968K)
using 4278 buffers containing 38608896 bytes (37704K) of memory
mainbus0 (root)
bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+(ca) BIOS, date 10/31/03, BIOS32 rev. 0  <at>  0xfd750
apm0 at bios0: Power Management spec V1.2
apm0: AC on, battery charge unknown
apm0: flags 30102 dobusy 0 doidle 1
pcibios0 at bios0: rev 2.1  <at>  0xfd750/0x8b0
pcibios0: PCI IRQ Routing Table rev 1.0  <at>  0xfdf30/176 (9 entries)
pcibios0: PCI Interrupt Router at 000:31:0 ("Intel 82371FB ISA" rev 0x00)
pcibios0: PCI bus #2 is the last bus
bios0: ROM list: 0xc0000/0xce00 0xcd000/0x1000 0xdf000/0x1000! 0xe0000/0x4000!
cpu0 at mainbus0
pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0: configuration mode 1 (no bios)
pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 "Intel 82852GM Hub-PCI" rev 0x02
"Intel 82852GM Memory" rev 0x02 at pci0 dev 0 function 1 not configured
"Intel 82852GM Configuration" rev 0x02 at pci0 dev 0 function 3 not configured
vga1 at pci0 dev 2 function 0 "Intel 82852GM AGP" rev 0x02: aperture at 0xe8000000, size 0x8000000
wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation)
wsdisplay0: screen 1-5 added (80x25, vt100 emulation)
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Melameth, Daniel D. | 1 Jul 2006 02:38

Re: interupt mapping

D. E. Evans wrote:
> On a Toshiba Satellite a35-s1593, without a PC-card currently plugged
> in, I get a mapping error for the CardBus (cbb).  I intend to purchase
> a wireless PC-Card (I haven't decided on model yet), and wish to
> ensure it will work with the cardbus before doing so.

Try changing the BIOS for the CardBus slot to "Controlled by OS" or
other option.
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Kenny Mann | 1 Jul 2006 02:41

Re: News From HiFn

Daniel Ouellet wrote:
> [snipp'ed]
> Agreed as well. It's just fair to see them presented as it is. 
> "Somewhat Friendly" is really where they are now, so would be fair to 
> do that.

Changed.
Reference the hifn article as to why (which was updated by the time I 
got there) their status was upgraded.

Kenny
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Theo de Raadt | 1 Jul 2006 03:11
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Re: News From HiFn

> It seems to me that if people are going to make a huge fuss about a
> company's documentation not being open enough or not available or what
> have you, and then following the fuss, they make their documentation
> available, they should at a minimum be considered "somewhat friendly".

I think you are right.  If someone commits a crime, and then promises
to never do it again, we should forgive them.

I will ask this honestly:

Why should we bleed our little hearts over a company who acted like
assholes towards us for years, and only changed their policy due to
public pressure?

To make ourselves feel better?  I think it is pointless.  They still
did not apologize.
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iproudlyeatcow@gmail.com | 1 Jul 2006 03:47
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AMD motherboard suggestions

Hello,
I am in the process of replacing an old PIII system that has died. I've been
trying to build an amd equivalent system(micro-atx, low noise, low power and
integrated graphics/audio) but the only motherboards alike that are
available where I live, are based on the nforce 6100 chipset and I have no
ideia if they will work properly on openbsd. Does anyone have any experience
with this chipset?

Here are the links to the motherboards,
939 -> http://www.asrock.com/product/939NF4G-SATA2.htm
AM2 -> http://www.asrock.com/product/AM2NF4G-SATA2.htm

I won't be picky, so any other motherboard suggestions will be more than
welcomed.
I will mainly use this system to code(while listening to some music) and
browse, so it would be nice to have working audio and a working X.

Thank you in advance for your suggestions. (c:
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Theo de Raadt | 1 Jul 2006 04:09
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Re: News From HiFn

> Ok, so there's no need to fawn over them for doing what they should have
> done before. I'd be nice to have an apology AND the docs. Given the
> choice of one or the other, it's better to have the docs. And who knows,
> maybe there will be real policy shift for now and the future with Hifn.
> I'm not holding my breath, but stranger things have happened.

So they gave us docs.  Now we need to say they are nice?

No way.  They have received money from hundreds of you.  You are
customers.  They are a company.  Now if you (like them) cannot figure
out what that means, that they have a RESPONSIBILITY to their
customers, and that they only responded once their CUSTOMERS
complained, then I mean, come on -- please don't give us advice on
rolling over and playing lame.

95% of the planet does nothing to complain when there is a serious
problem with a company, and then when < 5% of the people complain
enough to force them fix it, you wish to congratulate the ... company?

How American.
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Darrin Chandler | 1 Jul 2006 04:09
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Re: News From HiFn

On Fri, Jun 30, 2006 at 07:11:50PM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote:
> I think you are right.  If someone commits a crime, and then promises
> to never do it again, we should forgive them.
> 
> I will ask this honestly:
> 
> Why should we bleed our little hearts over a company who acted like
> assholes towards us for years, and only changed their policy due to
> public pressure?
> 
> To make ourselves feel better?  I think it is pointless.  They still
> did not apologize.

Ok, so there's no need to fawn over them for doing what they should have
done before. I'd be nice to have an apology AND the docs. Given the
choice of one or the other, it's better to have the docs. And who knows,
maybe there will be real policy shift for now and the future with Hifn.
I'm not holding my breath, but stranger things have happened.

--

-- 
Darrin Chandler            |  Phoenix BSD Users Group
dwchandler <at> stilyagin.com   |  http://bsd.phoenix.az.us/
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Breen Ouellette | 1 Jul 2006 04:31

Re: News From HiFn

Theo de Raadt wrote:
> I will ask this honestly:
>
> Why should we bleed our little hearts over a company who acted like
> assholes towards us for years, and only changed their policy due to
> public pressure?
>
> To make ourselves feel better?  I think it is pointless.  They still
> did not apologize.
>   

I agree with Theo, and yet I agree with others who subscribe to the 
'reward for good behaviour' line of thinking. I think the issue is one 
of perspective, and the scale for rating companies over at 
vendorwatch.org is too simple.

Obviously for the developers it is frustrating that they have to push 
and push and push for years with no results, only to blow up and cause a 
community outcry which finally gets the vendor to open up. In the 
meantime, Theo has been painted (again) as abrasive, whiny, 
thick-headed, and who knows what else by the larger Open Source 
community, thanks in large part to outlets like Slashdot which present a 
snapshot which completely fails to report the scope of this ongoing 
problem. And now that the docs are open again, there will be pressure on 
the OpenBSD team to fix the errors in the Hifn code - for a product 
which has been a source of frustration for quite a while. When one 
thinks about it one should be able to sympathize with the developers a 
little more than the companies which jerk them around.

For the users who jumped on the bandwagon less than four weeks ago it
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Breen Ouellette | 1 Jul 2006 04:46

Re: News From HiFn

Theo de Raadt wrote:
> So they gave us docs.  Now we need to say they are nice?
>
> No way.  They have received money from hundreds of you.  You are
> customers.  They are a company.  Now if you (like them) cannot figure
> out what that means, that they have a RESPONSIBILITY to their
> customers, and that they only responded once their CUSTOMERS
> complained, then I mean, come on -- please don't give us advice on
> rolling over and playing lame.
>
> 95% of the planet does nothing to complain when there is a serious
> problem with a company, and then when < 5% of the people complain
> enough to force them fix it, you wish to congratulate the ... company?
>   

Theo, do you consider this a gain or a loss?  Or is it merely regaining 
lost ground?

As a developer your point of view is different than many of the ordinary 
users on this list. In what direction do you think this should go? What 
balance do you think should be struck between holding companies 
accountable for their past transgressions and rewarding them for moving 
in the direction we want them to go?

And finally, do you really care about getting an apology from Hifn? It 
seems rather meaningless considering that a legal entity can't feel 
regret. What do you really want?

Looking forward to your thoughts.
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