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Don Smith | 1 Sep 2002 03:49
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Re: Re: HELP: QDSS (qd0) status???

Isildur:
 Thanks for the precision answer to my unclear question #5.
I meant a *NetBSD* X server! 8]
-Don

> On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Don Smith wrote:
> > 1. Is any QDSS support working in 1.5.2?
> someone else knows, i dont.
>
> > 2. Is all QDSS support based on BSD4.3 code?
>
> yes
> > 3. Is BSD4.3 code currently broken and re-fixed in 1.6 (in the change
> > notes)?
> dont know about 1.6. it works in 4.3 though.
>
> > 4. What's the order of magnitude of the scope of work (hours required by
a
> > good programmer)
> >      to complete wscons (and X w/keyboard and mouse) support for QDSS?
> >     (e.g. A real developer could knock this out in a couple of
> > hours/days/weeks/months/years.)
> probably ranging from hours to days, leaving towards the days end of
> that. just my guess.
>
> > 5. Was there *ever* a fully-functioning (graphics+mouse+keyboard) X
server
> > for QDSS?
>
> yes. now-ancient versions of X work under 4.3,4.4, cmu mach (essentially
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sylvain ferriol | 3 Sep 2002 11:10
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netbsd on vxt2000 ???

hello
i don't know if my question is ridiculous....i will see:

i want to use old vxt2000+ terminals to connect to a unix server.
i put mopd on the unix server (linux sorry) and download the vxt.sys 
from digital.

the vxt is booting normally and start the X server, but i see that i 
just can do a telnet .

but we have forbidden the telnet for security reasons on all the local 
network.
we use ssh for all connections.

But there is no ssh on the vxt digital kernel...

Is it possible to download from a server via MOP, a little netbsd kernel 
with a X server and a ssh.

I don't know the CPU type in the vxt and ther is just 10 Mb in memory

So is it possible or is it already exist or is there another solution ????

Thanks a lot
Sylvain
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Jochen Kunz | 3 Sep 2002 12:55
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Re: netbsd on vxt2000 ???

On Tue, Sep 03, 2002 at 11:10:54AM +0200, sylvain ferriol wrote:

> i don't know if my question is ridiculous....i will see:
It is some kind of a FAQ. ;-)

> the vxt is booting normally and start the X server, but i see that i 
> just can do a telnet .
> 
> but we have forbidden the telnet for security reasons on all the local 
> network. we use ssh for all connections.
You have to configure a X11 XDMCP session on the VXT. In this mode
the VXT requests a X11 login from the remote host. You need a XDM
on that remote host. (That XMD doesn't need to service a local 
Xserver like it is usual for wokstations. It just needs to sit there 
and listen for a indirect / remote query.) See xdm(1). 
The options to configure this type of session are buried somewhere
in the VXT setup menues. (Press F3 to get the setup window.)

You should know that all data in this type of Xsession is transfered 
unencrypted. Someone may be able to sniff the characters that you 
type in your Xterms, characters like
su -l
So you want do this only in a "trusted" network environement.

> But there is no ssh on the vxt digital kernel...
Of course, the VXT 2000 was long "obsolete" bevore ssh became en vogue.

> Is it possible to download from a server via MOP, a little netbsd kernel 
> with a X server and a ssh.
NetBSD does not run on the VXT 2000.
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Chuck Dickman | 4 Sep 2002 01:01
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Digital repair parts

Are Digital repair parts no longer available online?

I used to have a link to Compaq that listed all the old DEC repair parts. It no
longer works.

Is Digital finally gone?
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Braamse, Joop | 4 Sep 2002 11:19
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Netbooting


Hi,

I have several  Vaxes at home, running Netbsd 1.5.2. I netboot them from a linux box.
Now I want to netboot 1.6 from the linux box, no luck.
The problem seems to be caused by the linux mopdaemon; I suspect it can't handle the ELF format of the
mopboot file. I tested a number of versions of mopd; no luck with any of them.
I am not a programmer, so I don't know much about this format stuff.

If I am right, (please tell me if I am not) is there a version of mopd that does support ELF?
Will I be able to use 1.5.x as bootserver to boot 1.6?
Are there any tricks I should know?

For me, it would be nice to have an overview of what can be done and what cannot be done between the
two versions/formats.

Thanks

Joop Braamse
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Anders Magnusson | 4 Sep 2002 12:55
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Re: netbsd on vxt2000 ???

> 
> Is it possible to download from a server via MOP, a little netbsd kernel 
> with a X server and a ssh.
> 
> I don't know the CPU type in the vxt and ther is just 10 Mb in memory
> 
Well, I have tried to get NetBSD to work on the VXT2000, but the VAX cpu
in it isn't made for running something real on it, so it's quite difficult.
Besides that, X window support must be written which may not be an easy
task.

-- Ragge
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Olaf Seibert | 5 Sep 2002 22:45
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Re: Netbooting

On Wed 04 Sep 2002 at 11:19:13 +0200, Braamse, Joop wrote:
> If I am right, (please tell me if I am not) is there a version of mopd
> that does support ELF?

The mop server that comes with 1.6 (or the Release Candidates) supports
ELF via the mopcopy command, which can convert from Elf and a.out to
.SYS format. So you would need to compile it for your boot server - I
don't know how difficult that would be on Linux.

> Joop Braamse
-Olaf.
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John Maier | 6 Sep 2002 17:29

Re: netbsd on vxt2000 ???

> Well, I have tried to get NetBSD to work on the VXT2000, but the VAX cpu
> in it isn't made for running something real on it, so it's quite
difficult.

Really?   What limitation(s) did you run into?

> Besides that, X window support must be written which may not be an easy
> task.

Yeah true, but it would still make a fun little diskless workstation -- for
which I can't figure out what one would do with it, even if it were maxed
out at 18Megs...
:-)

jam
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Anders Magnusson | 6 Sep 2002 17:53
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Re: netbsd on vxt2000 ???

> > Well, I have tried to get NetBSD to work on the VXT2000, but the VAX cpu
> > in it isn't made for running something real on it, so it's quite
> difficult.
> 
> Really?   What limitation(s) did you run into?
> 
For example the CPU hangs (hard, reset won't work) if some registers
that are unused on this machine are touched. This makes debugging 
quite hard.

> > Besides that, X window support must be written which may not be an easy
> > task.
> 
> Yeah true, but it would still make a fun little diskless workstation -- for
> which I can't figure out what one would do with it, even if it were maxed
> out at 18Megs...
> 
Yeah, and I think it would be fun to compile on. The CPU is quite fast.

-- Ragge
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Lasse Jensen | 9 Sep 2002 13:06
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How to make a 4000 90 boot automaticly?

I have a digital VAXstation 4000 90 which i have installed NetBSD 1.5.2
on, but every time i want to boot it, it dumps me in a boot prompt where
i have to type 'boot dka300' to make it boot. How do i make it boot
automaticly?

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