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Matt Thomas | 1 Apr 2002 04:56

NetBSD/vax is now ELF; New snapshot available


NetBSD/vax switched to using ELF as its object file format this
past weekend.  For general information about why NetBSD is
switching to ELF, please read:

http://www.netbsd.org/Documentation/elf.html

An ELF snapshot (which at the moment doesn't include the X sets) is
available in:

ftp://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/arch/vax/snapshot/20020331-1.5ZC-ELF/

The upgrade instructions to ELF for mac68k can be used for VAX as
well (for the most part) though it is highly recommended you let
sysinst do the hard work:

ftp://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/arch/mac68k/elf-upgrade/README.ELF-UPGRADE

NetBSD/vax 1.5.2 and later bootblocks support loading an ELF
version of /boot.  /boot can load either a.out or ELF kernels.

Now that NetBSD/vax is ELF, a number of issues/problems have been
addressed:

1)  By default, all objects are PIC.  Indeed, static and shared libraries
     are generated from the same objects so builds take less time.  The
     linker is responsible for doing the magic to make dynamic references.
     A side effect of being PIC, an ELF object have a smaller code size
     than its corresponding a.out object.
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Jochen Kunz | 1 Apr 2002 18:42
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Re: NetBSD/vax is now ELF; New snapshot available

On 2002.04.01 04:56 Matt Thomas wrote:

> NetBSD/vax switched to using ELF 
[...]
> An ELF snapshot [..] is available in:
dd if=/dev/vbeer bs=1barrel count=1dozen | mail -s _*Thanks!*_
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J. Buck Caldwell | 1 Apr 2002 19:00

Re: NetBSD/vax is now ELF; New snapshot available

Will 1.5.3 release be ELF? And when can we expect 1.5.3?

Matt Thomas wrote:

> NetBSD/vax switched to using ELF as its object file format this
> past weekend.  For general information about why NetBSD is
> switching to ELF, please read:

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Jason R Thorpe | 1 Apr 2002 19:17

Re: NetBSD/vax is now ELF; New snapshot available

On Mon, Apr 01, 2002 at 11:00:10AM -0600, J. Buck Caldwell wrote:

 > Will 1.5.3 release be ELF? And when can we expect 1.5.3?

1.6 will be ELF.

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Gunther Schadow | 2 Apr 2002 05:25
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What editions of the VAX Hardware Reference are there?

Hi,

I am looking for VAX Hardware Reference for the VAX 11/780, 11/785,
86x0, the uVAX-II, and then the VAX 6000s. I suspect that's not all
in one book. But, what revisions of the Hardware Reference are there
anyway? I think the first edition is the 1978/1979, at least my
VAX Architecture Handbook bears this date. I understand that the
"Handbooks" were a 3-volume series, with volume 1 Architecture,
vol 2 Harware and vol 3 Software (VMS). I assume that they threw
out old models in more recent editions, right? Could we reconstruct
which topics are described in which edition of the Hardware Handbook?

One can't buy those any more, how does that influence the right to
compile and share copies? I wonder if one could archive the
Hardware handbooks by subject and that way compile a single volume
with complete coverage of all VAXen.

Besides, there is a mystical "Perepherial Handbook" to which I have
seen reference once, but never any copy in bookstores, catalogues or
on eBay. Did it ever exist? Was it volume 4 of the series? What
items were covered over the years in there?

regards,
-Gunther

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Carlini, Antonio | 2 Apr 2002 10:47

RE: What editions of the VAX Hardware Reference are there?


> Gunther Schadow wrote:
> 
> 
	>I am looking for VAX Hardware Reference for the VAX 11/780, 11/785,
	>86x0, the uVAX-II, and then the VAX 6000s. I suspect that's not all
	>in one book. But, what revisions of the Hardware Reference are
there
	>anyway? I think the first edition is the 1978/1979, at least my
	>VAX Architecture Handbook bears this date. I understand that the
	>"Handbooks" were a 3-volume series, with volume 1 Architecture,
	>vol 2 Harware and vol 3 Software (VMS). I assume that they threw
	>out old models in more recent editions, right? Could we reconstruct
	>which topics are described in which edition of the Hardware
Handbook?

	There are lots of handbooks. I have:
	  - VAX Architecture 1981
	  - VAX 11/780 Hardware Handbook 1979/80
	  - VAX 11/780 Architecture Handbook 1977-78
	  - VAX Hardware Handbook 1982-83
	  (the above all cover the VAX 11/7xx series only)
	  - VAX Hardware Handbook 1986 Volume 1 
	  - VAX Hardware Handbook 1986 Volume 2
	  - MicroVAX Systems Handbook
	  - VAX Systems Handbook - UNIBUS Systems
	  - VAX Systems Handbook - VAXBI Systems

	There are probably further editions. I'd say the
	technical content went down as time went
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Anders Magnusson | 2 Apr 2002 15:43
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SA600's FOR FREE!!!!

We're cleaning up the basement, and in that process there are a bunch
(5-6) of SA600 cabinets that must be thrown away. So, if someone wants
to get them, tell me, otherwise it will go to the dumpster.

No, I do not pay shipping :-)

For people that do not know what a SA600 is:

A cabinet with 8*RA90, 1.2GB each. So it is a total of about 50 RA90's, 
and when the power were turned off I think all were OK.

-- Ragge
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der Mouse | 2 Apr 2002 16:52
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Re: SA600's FOR FREE!!!!

> We're cleaning up the basement, and in that process there are a bunch
> (5-6) of SA600 cabinets that must be thrown away. So, if someone
> wants to get them, tell me, otherwise it will go to the dumpster.

> No, I do not pay shipping :-)

Aw, man, I so hate to see working hardware thrown out.

Especially since I'm so short of MSCP disk.  (The RA90 _is_ suitable
for connection to RD controllers, right?)

But I suspect it would cost more to get even one of those here than it
would to find MSCP disk - or one of the semi-mythical Qbus SCSI cards -
somewhere more local.... :-(

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Anders Magnusson | 2 Apr 2002 17:19
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Re: SA600's FOR FREE!!!!

> 
> Especially since I'm so short of MSCP disk.  (The RA90 _is_ suitable
> for connection to RD controllers, right?)
> 
It has the SDI connector, like RA82 et al. Connects to a KDA50, UDA50,
KDB50 or HSC or so. 

For reference about shipping costs:

Some years ago (4-5) it would cost $2000 to ship 8 cabinets of RA82's 
from Luleå to Poughkeepsie, NY. If someone wants to get them overseas :-)

Hmmm, they are 220V disks, maybe not so good idea after all.

-- Ragge
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Lord Isildur | 2 Apr 2002 17:47

Re: SA600's FOR FREE!!!!

no, the ra90 is sdi, a kda50 is what you need for that.

On Tue, 2 Apr 2002, der Mouse wrote:
> Aw, man, I so hate to see working hardware thrown out.
> 
> Especially since I'm so short of MSCP disk.  (The RA90 _is_ suitable
> for connection to RD controllers, right?)
> 
> But I suspect it would cost more to get even one of those here than it
> would to find MSCP disk - or one of the semi-mythical Qbus SCSI cards -
> somewhere more local.... :-(
> 
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