Zach Lowry | 10 Mar 05:30 2003
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Silliness with Serial Console


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Hello everyone (or noone),

I have a 3/60 that I'm trying to get a serial console on. I made sure
that my cable would work on my SS10, and it did, but I get nothing on
the 3/60. I played with flow control and the null adapter too, no
dice. 

I have the LED opposite the power supply on when I power it up. I
know that this is a problem, but I figured with the DIAG switch
flipped I'd at least get some output. I believe this LED means a bad
PROM. 

Also, if anyone has a 3/80 or higher Sun3x machine they'd like to get
rid of, let me know. 

Thanks!

Zach Lowry || Murfreesboro, TN || www.zachlowry.net
Linux / *BSD / Irix / Solaris / Apple / Unix Network Administration

Registered Linux User #264589
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Rick Kelly | 10 Mar 07:30 2003

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Zach Lowry said:

>Also, if anyone has a 3/80 or higher Sun3x machine they'd like to get
>rid of, let me know. 

Sure you wouldn't like a nice Sun 3/50 with 12 megs of memory?

:-)

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David Laight | 10 Mar 09:55 2003
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> Sure you wouldn't like a nice Sun 3/50 with 12 megs of memory?

Or a 3/60 with a dead PSU (I suspect it exploded because it wasn't
actually designed for 240v - even though it was shipped to the uk).

	David

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Izumi Tsutsui | 10 Mar 10:09 2003
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In article <GOEBKKPCBEIAHHPNHLFHGEDHHOAA.zach <at> zachlowry.net>
zach <at> zachlowry.net wrote:

> I have the LED opposite the power supply on when I power it up. I
> know that this is a problem, but I figured with the DIAG switch
> flipped I'd at least get some output. I believe this LED means a bad
> PROM. 

Did you check the sun3 archive pages?
http://www.sun3arc.org/Errormsg/3_60error.phtml
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Izumi Tsutsui
tsutsui <at> ceres.dti.ne.jp

Zach Lowry | 10 Mar 14:25 2003
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Aren't the 3/50 and 3/60 PSU's compatible? My fan is extremely loud,
probably beeds cleaning.

Actually, I'd probably like it either way. 

Zach Lowry || Murfreesboro, TN || www.zachlowry.net
Linux / *BSD / Irix / Solaris / Apple / Unix Network Administration

Registered Linux User #264589
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: port-sun3-owner <at> netbsd.org
> [mailto:port-sun3-owner <at> netbsd.org]On Behalf Of Rick Kelly
> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 12:30 AM
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> Cc: port-sun3 <at> netbsd.org
> Subject: Re: Silliness with Serial Console
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> Zach Lowry said:
> 
> >Also, if anyone has a 3/80 or higher Sun3x machine they'd like to
> >get rid of, let me know. 
> 
> Sure you wouldn't like a nice Sun 3/50 with 12 megs of memory?
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Zach Lowry | 15 Mar 19:17 2003
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Hrm... So, what is a possible course of action? Should I investigate
getting a new PROM? Is there a good source of troubleshooting info
for Sun3's that I'm missing?

Also, How long does it take to perform these tests? Maybe I'm not
giving it long enough, it hangs at that test for about a minute. And
shouldn't I still get at least some output on the serial line?
Something that says "Hey, this test failed" like I believe Sun4's do?

Thanks again for all your help.

Zach Lowry || Murfreesboro, TN || www.zachlowry.net
Linux / *BSD / Irix / Solaris / Apple / Unix Network Administration

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Izumi Tsutsui [mailto:tsutsui <at> ceres.dti.ne.jp]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 7:09 AM
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> 
> > Yeah,. that's where I got that it was a PROM error, but I don't
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Izumi Tsutsui | 15 Mar 20:25 2003
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In article <GOEBKKPCBEIAHHPNHLFHOEBDHPAA.zach <at> zachlowry.net>
zach <at> zachlowry.net wrote:

> Hrm... So, what is a possible course of action? Should I investigate
> getting a new PROM? Is there a good source of troubleshooting info
> for Sun3's that I'm missing?

What error did you actually get?
If you got error during PROM check sum test, it might be worth
to replace PROM. But if there is some actual hardware problem,
I'm afraid it isn't easy to fix.

> Also, How long does it take to perform these tests? Maybe I'm not
> giving it long enough, it hangs at that test for about a minute.

IIRC, actually the DIAG tests will take about a minite.
(I didn't try it with serial console, though)

> shouldn't I still get at least some output on the serial line?
> Something that says "Hey, this test failed" like I believe Sun4's do?

The SUN hardware reference
http://www.sunhelp.org/faq/sunref3.html
says "self-test messages are sent to serial port A" (in 501-1205 entry):

> If you want the machine to boot normally, set the diagnostics
> switch to "NORM". If you want extended diagnostics when you
> power up the system, set the switch to the "DIAG" position. If
> the switch is set to "DIAG", power-on self-test messages are
> sent to serial port A at 9600 bps, 8 data bits, one stop bit, no
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Zach Lowry | 22 Mar 21:08 2003
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I con't seem to find a clear, concise reference on which LED is
which. The one on my Box that lights up is the one closest to the
Keyboard connector, is that 7 or 0? If it's 7, then I guess it just
means error found... but if it's 0 it means the PROM CHECKSUM thing.

Thanks!

Zach Lowry || Murfreesboro, TN || www.zachlowry.net
Linux / *BSD / Irix / Solaris / Apple / Unix Network Administration

Registered Linux User #264589
14 Different NetBSD-Supported Machines

> -----Original Message-----
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> In article <GOEBKKPCBEIAHHPNHLFHOEBDHPAA.zach <at> zachlowry.net>
> zach <at> zachlowry.net wrote:
> 
> > Hrm... So, what is a possible course of action? Should I
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Zach Lowry | 23 Mar 05:26 2003
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I have a 3/60. It says:

The pattern is shown right to left, as it appears on the LEDs.

So, in that case, if I were looking at the LEDs, then the right one
would be bit '0' in your diagram. Therefore, the LED that is actually
on in my case if the '7' bit, which simply means tests have found an
error. That's not terribly descriptive, Sun. :)

These LEDs flash within a second though, I see bit 0 light up, then
bit 1, etc. Until it reaches bit 7, where it stays. Nothing ever
comes in on the serial line, even with the Diag switch, and the LED's
status never changes. 

I'm beginning to think that this guy has bit the dust. :-(

Zach Lowry || Murfreesboro, TN || www.zachlowry.net
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