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Havard Eidnes | 2 Apr 2009 22:47
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Re: Package binaries for NetBSD/sparc64 4.0 / pkgsrc-2008Q4

Hi,

I've uploaded the updates from a bulk build for NetBSD/sparc64 4.0
(initially compiled on 4.0_BETA2 and subsequently 4.0.1) to

   ftp://ftp.NetBSD.org/pub/pkgsrc/packages/NetBSD/sparc64/4.0_2008Q4/

This build was done from sources updated Feb 24 and then 16 Mar
2009.  A total of 1.9GB of packages were uploaded, for a total of
1736 packages.  The packages available in new versions, or which
were not available earlier are (793 in all):

GConf-ui-2.24.0, GraphicsMagick-1.3.5, LostPixels-0.5.3,
Ngraph-6.3.30nb2, OpenRM-1.5.2nb3, PAR-0.983,
RTx-RightsMatrix-0.03.00nb1, RTx-Shredder-0.03nb1, SDL-1.2.13nb4,
SDL_image-1.2.7, SDL_sound-1.0.3nb1, Transmission-1.40, Xbae-4.51.01nb2,
YoSucker-37nb1, ZenTest-3.10.0, acidrip-0.14nb5,
alsa-plugins-pulse-1.0.18, amavisd-new-2.6.2, ami-1.0.11nb8,
ap22-dnssd-0.5, ap22-php5-5.2.9nb1, ap22-subversion-1.5.4,
at-spi-1.24.0, autotrace-0.31.1nb8, avahi-0.6.23nb2, aview-1.3.0.1nb7,
base-1.4.1nb1, battalion-1.4nb7, beaver-0.3.0.1, bison-2.4.1nb1,
blib-1.0.2nb6, bluemoon-1.3.2, bugzilla-2.22.7, bugzilla-3.0.8,
bzflag-2.0.12, bzr-svn-0.4.16, bzrtools-1.10.0, cairomm-1.6.4,
checkbot-1.79nb2, cinepaint-0.22.1, claraocr-0.9.9nb1,
classpath-gui-0.93nb1, claws-mail-3.6.1, claws-mail-archive-0.6.2,
claws-mail-att_remover-1.0.9, claws-mail-attachwarner-0.2.14,
claws-mail-bogofilter-3.6.1, claws-mail-cachesaver-0.10.8,
claws-mail-dillo-viewer-3.6.1, claws-mail-fetchinfo-plugin-0.4.23nb2,
claws-mail-gtkhtml2_viewer-0.21nb1, claws-mail-mailmbox-1.14.2,
claws-mail-newmail-0.0.14, claws-mail-notification-0.19,
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Dave McGuire | 6 Apr 2009 23:10

ALTQ on sparc64?


   Can anyone tell me if ALTQ works on the sparc64 port?  I ask  
because it's not in the GENERIC conf file, at least not in 3.1.

          Thanks,
          -Dave

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matthew green | 6 Apr 2009 23:38
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re: ALTQ on sparc64?


      Can anyone tell me if ALTQ works on the sparc64 port?  I ask  
   because it's not in the GENERIC conf file, at least not in 3.1.

i had been using it for the last several years and it works
mostly OK.  i stopped when my internet got so fast that it
no longer seems to matter (ie when busy, my interactive
traffic seems fine, without any help....)

.mrg.
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Michael-John Turner | 6 Apr 2009 23:43
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Re: ALTQ on sparc64?

On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 05:10:24PM -0400, Dave McGuire wrote:
>   Can anyone tell me if ALTQ works on the sparc64 port?  I ask because 
> it's not in the GENERIC conf file, at least not in 3.1.

I'm using it with pf on 4.0/sparc64 with a custom kernel (both pf and
ALTQ enabled). I can't comment on using ALTQ with ipfilter, but using it
with pf is only supported by 4.0 and later.

More info on pf support in NetBSD (including how to enable ALTQ):
http://www.netbsd.org/docs/network/pf.html. 

-mj
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Miles Nordin | 7 Apr 2009 01:13

Re: ALTQ on sparc64?

>>>>> "dm" == Dave McGuire <mcguire <at> neurotica.com> writes:

    dm>    Can anyone tell me if ALTQ works on the sparc64 port?

yes, it works on sparc64 as well as it does anywhere, last I checked
which was a while ago (NetBSD 3.0, FreeBSD 6.2).  I can bittorrent and
give away free crappy wireless to neighbors, while still using text
editors over ssh, even on crappy slow american dsl with sub-megabit
upstream.  so, ALTQ is doing something.

It does not work very well, though.  I'm using HFSC, and I find that
queues ``freeze'', stop scheduling any packets and then quickly reach
their maximum size and start dropping.  'pfctl -Fq ; /etc/rc.d/pf
reload' will unstick them, so i run it every five minutes from cron
and survive that way.  The problem exists on alpha and sparc64,
freebsd and netbsd.  I don't think there are any commits to the meat
of altq in nearly a decade, just to classifier cruft around it.

The number of HFSC queues it can handle is too small to do any real
link sharing, much less the type of ``microflow policing'' (where there
is, albeit not a queue, at least a policer _per flow_) as cisco 6500
can do.  ALTQ HFSC can only do 30 - 60 queues, so here we have two
queues per person in the house plus a couple extra.

It can only queue on physical interfaces.  It is impossible to do
receive-side policing as you can do with Linux and Cisco, which is
obviously not proper since it relies on TCP congestion control and
leaving clumpy gaps between downstream packets, but can help a lot
better than nothing for people that don't have a colo to shape their
traffic before it passes over their DSL.  It's impossible to do
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Scott Dalton | 14 Apr 2009 17:51
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Keyboard fails on Sparc64 install of NetBSD 4.0.1

This is my first post to the mailing list, so if I've done something
wrong, please let me know.

I posted this issue over at BSDnexus and it was suggested that I try
the Sparc64 mailing list. So here goes:

...I am new to NetBSD. I am trying to install NetBSD 4.0.1 on a Sun
Blade 150. It has a Type 6 USB keyboard.

After running "boot cdrom", it boots the NetBSD CD and eventually gets
to this line:

----Begin Output----
If you are using a SUN type 4 keyboard, please enter "sun-type4".
Terminal Type (just hit ENTER for 'sun'):
----End Output----

The problem is, I can't type, I can't hit enter... nothing. The
keyboard will not function. Even simple things such as pressing
NumLock do not work (the LED does not light up as usual).

I have searched all day to find a solution to this. Is there something
in the PROM I need to change, or is this a bug, or what? Has anyone
seen this before? I know the keyboard works, and I've tried multiple
USB ports and get the same issue.

Help, and thanks,

/Scott
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doomwarrior | 14 Apr 2009 19:10
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Re: Keyboard fails on Sparc64 install of NetBSD 4.0.1


> The problem is, I can't type, I can't hit enter... nothing. The
> keyboard will not function. Even simple things such as pressing
> NumLock do not work (the LED does not light up as usual).
>   
I would suggest running a serial console with HyperTerminal (Windows) or 
minicom (Linux, NetBSD or other)
by using a DB9 to DB25 cable.
I have a Blade150 too, but never used the USB keyboard...

Best Regards
Stephan
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Scott Dalton | 14 Apr 2009 20:43
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Re: Keyboard fails on Sparc64 install of NetBSD 4.0.1

Thanks for the suggestion. I got the serial interface working, but am
halted at approximately the same spot.

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aceride0:0:0: lost interrupt
        type: ata tc_bcount: 512 tc_skip: 0
aceride0:0:0: lost interrupt
        type: ata tc_bcount: 0 tc_skip: 0
FATAL: boot device not found, check your firmware settings!
root on md0a dumps on md0b
root file system type: ffs
WARNING: clock gained 188 days
WARNING: CHECK AND RESET THE DATE!
erase ^?, werase
----

Probably still sounds like a dumb question, but nothing I press here
gets me any further. Is this now a serial problem? Perhaps I have the
settings wrong, I used 9600/N/8/1.

I'm not new to *nix, but as I mentioned, I'm new to NetBSD - and I'm
new to Sparc also. I used some setenv settings in the PROM to get the
system to run i/o through ttya, and set the boot sequence to "cdrom
disk net".  Is there something else I'm missing?

Thanks again, for your help and patience.

/Scott

2009/4/14 doomwarrior <doomwarriorx <at> gmail.com>:
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doomwarrior | 14 Apr 2009 21:36
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Re: Keyboard fails on Sparc64 install of NetBSD 4.0.1

Hm that is odd. Does typing via serial work in OBP?
It is not required to set anything in OBP to run machine with a serial. 
If the system wasn't set to a strange setting bevor.
Just unplug everything expect serial, power coord and (optional) network 
cable. 9600-8N1 is the default value, if nothing was changed in the OBP.
If typing over serial doesn't work try to turn hardware flow control on 
or off. I can't remember right now if this can be jumpered on Blade but 
could be an issue.
Also consider using NetBSD 5.0 RC3, even if not a stable release, it is 
a good option for a Blade 1x0 because of bug(s) in the hardware of the 
acer ide controller. You should already received alot of "lost 
interrupt" messages, which will get even worst on an hdd-installed 
system. (including a possibility of a freeze). If I get you right, you 
already try to install NetBSD via CD? Therefore this could already 
trigger the described problem.
You could also try the dark art of netbooting, it is quiet easy if you 
done this bevor on other systems. If not here is a good - sadly a bit 
dusty - documentation: 
http://www.netbsd.org/docs/network/netboot/intro.sun.ofw.html

Best Regards
Stephan
> Thanks for the suggestion. I got the serial interface working, but am
> halted at approximately the same spot.
>
> ----
> aceride0:0:0: lost interrupt
>         type: ata tc_bcount: 512 tc_skip: 0
> aceride0:0:0: lost interrupt
>         type: ata tc_bcount: 0 tc_skip: 0
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Scott Dalton | 14 Apr 2009 22:41
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Re: Keyboard fails on Sparc64 install of NetBSD 4.0.1

Yes, I did indeed see a lot of "lost interrupt" messages.

I'll have to read up on the RC's. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong
place, but all I can find for NetBSD 5.0 is the source. Meaning I'd
have to build everything, right?

I'll read up on that and see if maybe this solves the problem. Thanks
for all of your help. I hope someone else searching for this topic
also sees this solution.

/Scott

2009/4/14 doomwarrior <doomwarriorx <at> gmail.com>:
> Hm that is odd. Does typing via serial work in OBP?
> It is not required to set anything in OBP to run machine with a serial. If
> the system wasn't set to a strange setting bevor.
> Just unplug everything expect serial, power coord and (optional) network
> cable. 9600-8N1 is the default value, if nothing was changed in the OBP.
> If typing over serial doesn't work try to turn hardware flow control on or
> off. I can't remember right now if this can be jumpered on Blade but could
> be an issue.
> Also consider using NetBSD 5.0 RC3, even if not a stable release, it is a
> good option for a Blade 1x0 because of bug(s) in the hardware of the acer
> ide controller. You should already received alot of "lost interrupt"
> messages, which will get even worst on an hdd-installed system. (including a
> possibility of a freeze). If I get you right, you already try to install
> NetBSD via CD? Therefore this could already trigger the described problem
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