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KIYOHARA Takashi | 1 Jul 2010 08:24
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Sun Ray1 support?

Hi! all,

I have a Sun Ray1.  Do we support this?

I add following lines to my dhcpd.conf.

  option space SunRay;
  option SunRay.NewTVer code 23 = text;
  option SunRay.NewTVer "netbsd";
  option SunRay.AuthSrvr code 21 = ip-address;
  option SunRay.AuthSrvr MY-SERVER-ADDR;
  option SunRay.AuthPort code 22 = integer 16;
  option SunRay.AuthPort 65535;                   # XXXXXX
  option SunRay.FWSrvr code 31 = ip-address;
  option SunRay.FWSrvr MY-SERVER-ADDR;
  class "SunRay" {
          match if option vendor-class-identifier = "SUNW.NewT.SUNW";
          vendor-option-space SunRay;
  }

And do 'gzip -dc kern-MRCOFFEE.tgz > /tftpboot/CoronaP1-netbsd'.
My Sun Ray1 requests firmware to MY-SERVER-ADDR with tftp.
MY-SERVER-ADDR notes to /var/log/messages.

Jul  1 10:35:45 MY-SERVER-ADDR dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 08:00:20:xx:xx:xx via tlp1
Jul  1 10:35:45 MY-SERVER-ADDR dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.1.xx to 08:00:20:xx:xx:xx via tlp1
Jul  1 10:35:45 MY-SERVER-ADDR dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.1.xx (192.168.1.x) from
08:00:20:xx:xx:xx via tlp1
Jul  1 10:35:45 MY-SERVER-ADDR dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.1.xx to 08:00:20:xx:xx:xx via  tlp1
Jul  1 10:35:46 MY-SERVER-ADDR tftpd[20933]: 192.168.1.xx: read request for CoronaP1.B0FCCD: File not found
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Michael | 1 Jul 2010 08:47
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Re: Sun Ray1 support?


Hello,

On Jul 1, 2010, at 2:24 AM, KIYOHARA Takashi wrote:

> I have a Sun Ray1.  Do we support this?

No. I don't think the SunRay's even used SPARC CPUs.
IIRC they don't have a lot of RAM ( something like 4MB ) and are more  
or less dumb terminals that display compressed video streamed to them  
via some proprietary protocol.

have fun
Michael
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..I'd rather be coding ASM! | 1 Jul 2010 09:12
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Re: Sun Ray1 support?


They're MIPS cpu's, RMI Alchemy's afair.

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  Al Boyanich
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On Thu, 1 Jul 2010, Michael wrote:

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>
> On Jul 1, 2010, at 2:24 AM, KIYOHARA Takashi wrote:
>
>> I have a Sun Ray1.  Do we support this?
>
> No. I don't think the SunRay's even used SPARC CPUs.
> IIRC they don't have a lot of RAM ( something like 4MB ) and are more or less 
> dumb terminals that display compressed video streamed to them via some 
> proprietary protocol.
>
> have fun
> Michael
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Erik Fair | 1 Jul 2010 08:58
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Re: Sun Ray1 support?

The impression I had was that the SunRays were both simple (they're terminals with basically little smarts
of their own, i.e. a small CPU, a GPU, and keyboard/mouse), and locked down pretty tight (as in, will not
boot/run anything other than a properly crypto-signed binary from Sun), intended to have a pretty much
dedicated private ethernet into a big honking Sun server to bound latency and make performance
guarantees. A latter-day version of an X terminal, if you will.

Hmm, the Wikipedia article confirms some of that:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Ray

and it also says that the SunRay 2 is based on a MIPS CPU:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alchemy_(processor)

NetBSD appears to have support for these CPUs, so getting a kernel up starts with figuring out what the
SunRay firmware wants to see.

http://www.oracle.com/us/products/servers-storage/desktop-workstations/036088.pdf

It's not even clear to me that these things boot an OS (or whatever passes for its OS) from the network - it
might have all it needs in Flash PROM, and just DHCPs to get an IP address and other stuff it needs to hook up to
the server.

	Erik <fair <at> netbsd.org>
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..I'd rather be coding ASM! | 1 Jul 2010 10:15
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Re: Sun Ray1 support?


Ah, that's interesting. I've not seen those two then. SunRay2's are 
definitely MIPS though.

On Thu, 1 Jul 2010, Sami Ketola wrote:

> Hi,
>
> actually both SunRay1 and SunRay1G have 100MHz microSPARC IIep processor.
>
> Sami
>
> On 1 Jul 2010, at 10:12, ..I'd rather be coding ASM! wrote:
>
>>
>> They're MIPS cpu's, RMI Alchemy's afair.
>>
>> --
>> --
>> Al Boyanich
>> adb -w -P "world> " -k /dev/meta/galaxy/ksyms /dev/god/brain
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 1 Jul 2010, Michael wrote:
>>
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Valeriy E. Ushakov | 1 Jul 2010 10:30
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Re: Sun Ray1 support?

On Thu, Jul 01, 2010 at 02:47:35 -0400, Michael wrote:

> On Jul 1, 2010, at 2:24 AM, KIYOHARA Takashi wrote:
> 
> > I have a Sun Ray1.  Do we support this?
> 
> No. I don't think the SunRay's even used SPARC CPUs.

No, SunRay1 has microSPARC-IIep.  8MB of non-upgradable memory
(soldered).  No OpenBoot.  Custom firmware that can in theory be
upgraded, but the update image has to be cryptographically signed.

SY, Uwe
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Sami Ketola | 1 Jul 2010 09:26
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Re: Sun Ray1 support?

Hi,

actually both SunRay1 and SunRay1G have 100MHz microSPARC IIep processor.

Sami

On 1 Jul 2010, at 10:12, ..I'd rather be coding ASM! wrote:

> 
> They're MIPS cpu's, RMI Alchemy's afair.
> 
> --
> --
> Al Boyanich
> adb -w -P "world> " -k /dev/meta/galaxy/ksyms /dev/god/brain
> 
> 
> On Thu, 1 Jul 2010, Michael wrote:
> 
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> Hash: SHA1
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> On Jul 1, 2010, at 2:24 AM, KIYOHARA Takashi wrote:
>> 
>>> I have a Sun Ray1.  Do we support this?
>> 
>> No. I don't think the SunRay's even used SPARC CPUs.
>> IIRC they don't have a lot of RAM ( something like 4MB ) and are more or less dumb terminals that display
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Sami Ketola | 1 Jul 2010 10:27
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Re: Sun Ray1 support?

Hi,

SunRay2 and 2FS is a completely new design. I was just talking about 1 and 1G.

Sami

On 1 Jul 2010, at 11:15, ..I'd rather be coding ASM! wrote:

> 
> Ah, that's interesting. I've not seen those two then. SunRay2's are definitely MIPS though.
> 
> On Thu, 1 Jul 2010, Sami Ketola wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> actually both SunRay1 and SunRay1G have 100MHz microSPARC IIep processor.
>> 
>> Sami
>> 
>> On 1 Jul 2010, at 10:12, ..I'd rather be coding ASM! wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> They're MIPS cpu's, RMI Alchemy's afair.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> --
>>> Al Boyanich
>>> adb -w -P "world> " -k /dev/meta/galaxy/ksyms /dev/god/brain
>>> 
>>>
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peasthope | 3 Jul 2010 03:41
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installing NetBSD on a Sparcstation 2.

At 1530843 bytes, the 5.0.2 Sparc installer disk2 
is too big to fit on a diskette.  I see these 
choices for installing on the Sparc 2.

* Try to make and use the NetBSD-5.1RC3 Sparc 
  installer diskettes.

* Use a CD.
  I have a Yamaha Model CRW4260tx external SCSI 
  drive.  I have Debian but no working NetBSD 
  system.  I can try to compile mksunbootcd in 
  a Debian system, make a 5.0.2 CD and try to 
  boot the Sparc 2 from the Yamaha drive.  
  According to sparc/INSTALL.* the drive might not 
  be recognized.

  Incidentally, http://www.ebsinc.com/solaris/suncdrom.html 
  is cited in */sparc/INSTALL.* but does not exist.

* Remove the internal drive containing the swap 
  partition, connect it to a Debian system and 
  attempt to install the bootable file system.  
  If that works, reinstall the drive and proceed 
  with the installation.

Anyone care to suggest which of these options is 
liable to be the most efficient?  Or perhaps I 
should say "the least dicey".

Thanks,            ... Peter E.
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..I'd rather be coding ASM! | 3 Jul 2010 08:49
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Re: installing NetBSD on a Sparcstation 2.


I was having the same problem with an IPX last week, and the floppy images 
had issues. Booting off CD was crapping out also after the second stage 
loader had printed NetBSD..blah blah. Haven't had time to look at it this 
week. Same thing happened on the SS2 so I assumed the 5.0.2 iso cd was 
broken generally for sun4c. I haven't tried with any of my sun4m's.

Regards,
Al.

On Fri, 2 Jul 2010, peasthope <at> shaw.ca wrote:

> At 1530843 bytes, the 5.0.2 Sparc installer disk2
> is too big to fit on a diskette.  I see these
> choices for installing on the Sparc 2.
>
> * Try to make and use the NetBSD-5.1RC3 Sparc
>  installer diskettes.
>
> * Use a CD.
>  I have a Yamaha Model CRW4260tx external SCSI
>  drive.  I have Debian but no working NetBSD
>  system.  I can try to compile mksunbootcd in
>  a Debian system, make a 5.0.2 CD and try to
>  boot the Sparc 2 from the Yamaha drive.
>  According to sparc/INSTALL.* the drive might not
>  be recognized.
>
>  Incidentally, http://www.ebsinc.com/solaris/suncdrom.html
>  is cited in */sparc/INSTALL.* but does not exist.
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