Hang during boot at adb loading with stock 5.1 kernel on Powerbook2000 Firewire (Pismo)

Installer kernel works fine, I installed the system.

But booting from the regular kernel it hangs where the adb (apple
desktop bus) loads.

I can boot from installer kernel and go to the rescue shell and chroot
and roam around and stuff
(haven't tried to see how far this goes, but not far of course)

Maybe not everyone realizes that powerbooks had adb of the keyboard
and trackpad even after USB was built-in.
Up to somewhere in the Ti-books G4, maybe 800 mhz or beyond,
definitely gone by the aluminum models.

 I have downloaded a kernel from the current branch to try and 5-0
branch, but I am thinking
just to wait for 6-0 and reinstall then, I need a newer standard
compiler anyway.
Supposedly 6-0 to be out this month more than likely.

Brian

Re: Hang during boot at adb loading with stock 5.1 kernel on Powerbook2000 Firewire (Pismo)

I can boot the regular kernel on 2 Lombards which are similar enough
to the Pismos.

On Fri, 4 Mar 2011 21:06:48 -0800
Brian Morris <cymraegish <at> gmail.com> wrote:

> Installer kernel works fine, I installed the system.
> 
> But booting from the regular kernel it hangs where the adb (apple
> desktop bus) loads.
> 
> I can boot from installer kernel and go to the rescue shell and chroot
> and roam around and stuff
> (haven't tried to see how far this goes, but not far of course)
> 
> Maybe not everyone realizes that powerbooks had adb of the keyboard
> and trackpad even after USB was built-in.
> Up to somewhere in the Ti-books G4, maybe 800 mhz or beyond,
> definitely gone by the aluminum models.
> 
> 
>  I have downloaded a kernel from the current branch to try and 5-0
> branch, but I am thinking
> just to wait for 6-0 and reinstall then, I need a newer standard
> compiler anyway.
> Supposedly 6-0 to be out this month more than likely.
> 
> Brian
> 

Re: Hang during boot at adb loading with stock 5.1 kernel on Powerbook2000 Firewire (Pismo)

Hello,

On Mar 5, 2011, at 12:06 AM, Brian Morris wrote:

> Installer kernel works fine, I installed the system.
>
> But booting from the regular kernel it hangs where the adb (apple
> desktop bus) loads.

Hmm, the difference there is that the GENERIC kernel has mouse and  
button device drivers.

> Maybe not everyone realizes that powerbooks had adb of the keyboard
> and trackpad even after USB was built-in.

What has that to do with anything?

> I have downloaded a kernel from the current branch to try and 5-0
> branch, but I am thinking
> just to wait for 6-0 and reinstall then, I need a newer standard
> compiler anyway.

So, does a -current kernel work or not? I rewrote the ADB subsystem a  
while ago and it Just Works on all my macs, including a Pismo. Where  
exactly does it hang? Or rather, what is the last line of kernel output?
5.1 doesn't use the adb driver anymore so your description isn't all  
that helpful.

have fun

PROJECT???

I want to discuss an important issue with you. I write to know if this 
is your valid email. Please, let me know if this email is valid. 
Kim.

Re: Hang during boot at adb loading with stock 5.1 kernel on Powerbook2000 Firewire (Pismo)

Re: Hang during boot at adb loading with stock 5.1 kernel on Powerbook2000 Firewire (Pismo)

Hello,

On Mar 5, 2011, at 4:55 PM, Super Bisquit wrote:

> I'd like to know how you got the kernel booting. Doesn't seem to  
> work too much on the B&W G3.

His Powerbook uses OpenFirmware 3.0 which is orders of magnitude less  
troublesome than the variants used in beige and b&w G3s. I had to  
netboot my beige G3 in order to install NetBSD. To read anything from  
CD you need firmware patches which come with any OSX CD that supports  
powerpc - just boot the CD, if you get to the part where the installer  
complains about your machine not being supported it already installed  
the patches. I tried that with 10.2, .3 and .4 - they all come with  
patches for (apparently) all Power Macs even if the installer doesn't  
support them.
With that you should be able to list the CDs directory in OF which  
should show you exactly how it wants its filenames and such.
You can tell that OF3 was made with OSX in mind, the older variants  
not so much since MacOS 9 used a completely different boot method.

have fun
Michael

Re: Hang during boot at adb loading with stock 5.1 kernel on Powerbook2000 Firewire (Pismo)

On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Michael <macallan <at> netbsd.org> wrote:
>
> On Mar 5, 2011, at 4:55 PM, Super Bisquit wrote:
>
>> I'd like to know how you got the kernel booting. Doesn't seem to work too
>> much on the B&W G3.
>
FWIW I had problems with my B+W installing linux that was due to the
IDE buses being crossed over.
That is, the CD upper ata cable on hda/hdb and the lower hard drive
ultra-ata on hdc/hdd. I did get it running, by cloning from another
install and yes it booted the NewWorld way.

The B+W did have an early version of OF3, but it was very buggy. The
B+W could install Tiger/10.4 the regular way (without XpostFacto
hack). But the rev1 with the SCSI drives card had big instabilities. I
replaced my motherboard with one from the original Yikes (PCI) G4
which fits exactly. but still the reversal issue. The Beige were OF2
and limited to 10.2 w/out XPF, I have one of those also, it boots the
OldWorld way.

 Make certain you have installed any/all firmware updates available from Apple!

> His Powerbook uses OpenFirmware 3.0 which is orders of magnitude less
> troublesome than the variants used in beige and b&w G3s. I had to netboot my
> beige G3 in order to install NetBSD. To read anything from CD you need
> firmware patches which come with any OSX CD that supports powerpc - just
> boot the CD, if you get to the part where the installer complains about your
> machine not being supported it already installed the patches. I tried that
> with 10.2, .3 and .4 - they all come with patches for (apparently) all Power
> Macs even if the installer doesn't support them.
> With that you should be able to list the CDs directory in OF which should
> show you exactly how it wants its filenames and such.
> You can tell that OF3 was made with OSX in mind, the older variants not so
> much since MacOS 9 used a completely different boot method.
>
> have fun
> Michael
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
> Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin)
>
> iQEVAwUBTXVKu8pnzkX8Yg2nAQKgKgf9FHrLlkov6Y6qgq1y4XAfembsgWcWZg7R
> nvOS6qj4NmIXeKZyHlW1KdT/Ez/YLjY6/i17k8ttD/76Vw2z81bd5NXTtqbBHROX
> NFCoUqMOoEPxSBTaa9AGsKgceF2b56ivPU9TmVhLxP5rWzN9xkuFkgyGt9pscfDZ
> aOdw56HqrB9VZ9/m/4HNzL7B/0pxpfJkziYTplPHcTho3xrZO9+d+7PuNE47OHpJ
> 3npHtbu8M4PfeRlpVEI0yGpOJdc2OiPobmEZZzoZ3KN5oxeAJKacTggwEvwb9kqM
> BzZA7hZSST5e03PvtAPgDzBIFFpXCvVM1NnoMCv3obqthCb1GE57yg==
> =pAKU
> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
>

Diskless PowerMac G4 hangs on reboot/poweroff

I rarely get time to work with my various PowerMacs, but it's Spring
Break and I finally have some time.

I have a G4 PowerMac w/AGP graphics and 100Mb ethernet (I think that's
a "sawtooth" machine).  I netboot it and run it diskless.

Odd problem is that when I attempt to reboot or power off the machine
(shutdown -r or reboot ; shutdown -p or poweroff) it doesn't actually
do it.  I get:

   Shutdown NOW!
   shutdown: [pid xxxxx]

and that's it.  wscons remains active as I can switch virtual terminals,
but the machine is otherwise completely unresponsive--and it never goes
ahead and reboots or powers off.

Possibly related is that under heavy NFS operation (attempting to build
larger packages out of pkgsrc) the machine will hang and be completely
unresponsive, again except for wscons although that's probably a side
effect of the NFS going off in the weeds.  It never complains that the
server isn't responding, though--at least that I can see.

Unfortunately, due the sporadic nature of my experience with any of
these machines, it's hard to say when this problem (the reboot/poweroff
hangs) started.  It was probably in the early 5.99.2x days that it
didn't hang like this.  The NFS-activity hangs have been there ever
since I started playing with this machine, but became much worse in
the 5.99.3x series of kernels.  Haven't tried building anything with
5.99.48 yet as I just updated to it yesterday (14 March 2011).

--

-- 
|/"\ John D. Baker, KN5UKS               NetBSD     Darwin/MacOS X
|\ / jdbaker[snail]mylinuxisp[flyspeck]com    OpenBSD            FreeBSD
| X  No HTML/proprietary data in email.   BSD just sits there and works!
|/ \ GPGkeyID:  D703 4A7E 479F 63F8 D3F4  BD99 9572 8F23 E4AD 1645

Re: Diskless PowerMac G4 hangs on reboot/poweroff

On Tue, 15 Mar 2011, John D. Baker wrote:
> Possibly related is that under heavy NFS operation (attempting to build
> larger packages out of pkgsrc) the machine will hang and be completely
> unresponsive, again except for wscons although that's probably a side
> effect of the NFS going off in the weeds.  It never complains that the
> server isn't responding, though--at least that I can see.

I was just trying to build lang/perl5 (dependency of many packages) and
it hung.  At least this time there were some console messages:

   trap: pid 1334.1 (try): user ISI trap  <at>  0 (SRR1=0x4000d032)
   trap: pid 12358.1 (try): user DSI trap  <at>  0x25732560 by 0xefeeefc4 (DSISR 0x40000000, err=14)

I can't really say if or how closely related the events are and the pids
are inscrutable since the machine is unresponsive.  The last thing the
perl build displayed was:

   [...]
   Writing Makefile for Switch
   [hung]

The terminal driver is still accepting/echoing characters and wscons
lets me switch terminals, but that's it.

--

-- 
|/"\ John D. Baker, KN5UKS               NetBSD     Darwin/MacOS X
|\ / jdbaker[snail]mylinuxisp[flyspeck]com    OpenBSD            FreeBSD
| X  No HTML/proprietary data in email.   BSD just sits there and works!
|/ \ GPGkeyID:  D703 4A7E 479F 63F8 D3F4  BD99 9572 8F23 E4AD 1645

NeXT ADB keyboard

Has anyone had any luck getting an NeXT ADB keyboard working?

Cheers,
Ben