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Re: NetBSD 6 improvements and time drift

Confirm that macppc NetBSD 6.1.3 on my Mac mini G4 has the same
phenomenon, and I workaround this problem with ntpdate, too.

--James

2014-06-02 3:11 GMT+08:00 Donald Lee <MacPPC2 <at> c.icompute.com>:
> Yes. My PowerPC NetBSD 6.0.4 system, running on a Mac Mini drifts
> about the same as yours. ntpd can't deal with it, so I have cron run
> ntpdate periodically. .... not pretty, but it works.
>
> My NetBSD 5.2.1 system running on beige G3 system is rock solid, and
> is now my local time server.
>
> I don't have any x86 NetBSD systems on real HW. My x86 system, which is now
> my production system, drifts, too, but it's running on a VM, so that's
> a different kettle of fish.
>
> -dgl-
>
>>Hi, all,
>>
>>In the past I set up a PowerBook G4 and a Mac mini with NetBSD 6.x (from
>>netbsd-6), only to have them crash often. Recently, though, I set up a Mac
>>mini with the latest netbsd-6 and it only crashed once in the process of a
>>complete pkgsrc bulk build (it is running in a hot room, so this isn't all
>>that suprising). My impression is that something got fixed, and for this
>>I'm happy.
>>
>>I did notice one quirk: time seems to drift on both machines on the order
>>of about 11 or so seconds an hour. I'm not sure if this is because of
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John Klos | 1 Jun 20:55 2014

NetBSD 6 improvements and time drift

Hi, all,

In the past I set up a PowerBook G4 and a Mac mini with NetBSD 6.x (from
netbsd-6), only to have them crash often. Recently, though, I set up a Mac
mini with the latest netbsd-6 and it only crashed once in the process of a
complete pkgsrc bulk build (it is running in a hot room, so this isn't all
that suprising). My impression is that something got fixed, and for this
I'm happy.

I did notice one quirk: time seems to drift on both machines on the order
of about 11 or so seconds an hour. I'm not sure if this is because of
NetBSD 6, or because of New World versus Old World, but I have a PowerMac
9600 running netbsd-5 which is a stratum 1 time server which doesn't drift
at all.

Does anyone else have any drifting issues?

John Klos
--
My good blade carves the casques of men,
My tough lance thrusteth sure,
My strength is as the strength of ten
Because my code is pure.

Christian Groessler | 10 Apr 01:18 2014

Re: installing on a g5

Hi,

On 04/06/14 09:04, Phileas Fogg wrote:

here is the promised howto for booting NetBSD HEAD on G5.

1. Check out source

Done.

2. Apply my patches


Done.


3. Build toolchain

Done.


4. Build ramdisk kernells -l sys/arch/macppc/conf/POWERMAC_G5_11_2_RD ./build.sh -U -j4 -m macppc kernel=POWERMAC_G5_11_2_RD ls -l sys/arch/macppc/compile/POWERMAC_G5_11_2_RD/netbsd! pre>


Done. But the kernel is in sys/arch/macppc/compile/obj/POWERMAC_G5_11_2_RD:

$ ls -l sys/arch/macppc/compile/obj/POWERMAC_G5_11_2_RD/netbsd
-rwxr-xr-x. 1 chris chris 29313471 Apr 10 00:09 sys/arch/macppc/compile/obj/POWERMAC_G5_11_2_RD/netbsd*
$



5. Build distribution

Done.

6. Build ramdiskCopy the image into the root directory of your tftp server.


Done.


7. Fix load-base in Openfirmware

Done.


8. Boot ramdisk via tftp


Doesn't work for me. I get the TFTP transfer messages and then just "Loading ELF".
I've taken a picture, see ftp://ftp.groessler.org/pub/chris/tmp/bootmsgs.jpg .

I've copied my kernel binary ftp://ftp.groessler.org/pub/chris/tmp/netbsd.rd.xz .
Can you try it on your machine? If it's working there must be something wrong
with my machine/settings. If it doesn't work, could you give me your kernel
binary (put it to ftp.groessler.org/incoming).



I cross-compiled my netbsd image on my Linux machine.

Me too. (Because my fastest machine doesn't have NetBSD installed... :-/)

regards,
chris

Donald Lee | 10 May 19:33 2014

sysupgrade 6.0.4 -> 6.0.5 - no more login!

Has anyone else upgraded from a patched 6.0.4 to 6.0.5 via sysupgrade?

I foolishly did this "live" and now cannot log in. "pam_start" fails,
and there are apparently some security .so files missing. Since I can't
log in, I have to boot from CD to chase this down.

Is there a known simple fix for this?

Thanks,

-dgl-

John D. Baker | 22 Apr 16:45 2014

update (-u) builds vs. copying read-only files

While updating a build (unprivileged) that includes the "iso-image"
target, I saw the following:

[...]
Copying /d0/build/current/DEST/macppc/usr/mdec/ofwboot.xcf to
/d0/build/current/obj/macppc/distrib/macppc/cdroms/installcd/cdrom ...
cp: /d0/build/current/obj/macppc/distrib/macppc/cdroms/installcd/cdrom/ofwboot.xcf:
Permission denied
[...]

The directory in question:

$ ls -laF /d0/build/current/obj/macppc/distrib/macppc/cdroms/installcd/cdrom/
total 5112
drwxrwxr-x  3 sysop  wsrc      512 Apr 21 15:32 ./
drwxrwxr-x  3 sysop  wsrc      512 Apr 21 15:32 ../
drwxr-xr-x  4 sysop  wsrc      512 Apr 22 07:46 macppc/
-rw-rw-r--  1 sysop  wsrc  2509068 Apr 22 07:54 netbsd
-r--r--r--  1 sysop  wsrc    70642 Apr 21 15:32 ofwboot.xcf

Since the previously-installed file is installed with mode "444", one
cannot overwrite it.  Using 'cp -f' fixes the problem.

+Index: distrib/common/Makefile.bootcd
+===================================================================
+RCS file: /cvsroot/src/distrib/common/Makefile.bootcd,v
+retrieving revision 1.24
+diff -u -p -r1.24 Makefile.bootcd
+--- distrib/common/Makefile.bootcd      15 Feb 2014 09:43:02 -0000      1.24
++++ distrib/common/Makefile.bootcd      22 Apr 2014 14:02:49 -0000
+ <at>  <at>  -69,7 +69,7  <at>  <at>  _CDMAKEFSOPTIONS=     rockridge,label=${ISO_
+ .endif
+ 
+ # Stuff that should come from elsewhere - XXX where? - HF
+-CP?=           cp
++CP?=           cp -f
+ RM?=           rm
+ MKDIR?=                mkdir -p
+ CHMOD?=                chmod

As the comment notes, if there are only a few arches that have issues
with copying read-only files to an installcd/bootcd, perhaps CP can
be defined in the arch-/machine-dependent Makefile before including
the common file?

For macppc:

+Index: distrib/macppc/cdroms/installcd/Makefile
+===================================================================
+RCS file: /cvsroot/src/distrib/macppc/cdroms/installcd/Makefile,v
+retrieving revision 1.2
+diff -u -p -r1.2 Makefile
+--- distrib/macppc/cdroms/installcd/Makefile    4 May 2010 14:09:11 -0000       1.2
++++ distrib/macppc/cdroms/installcd/Makefile    22 Apr 2014 14:09:31 -0000
+ <at>  <at>  -5,4 +5,7  <at>  <at>  CDKERNELS=      netbsd-INSTALL.gz netbsd
+ CDINSTKERNEL=  ../../floppies/md-kernel
+ CDBUILDEXTRA=  ${DESTDIR}/usr/mdec/ofwboot.xcf
+ 
++# Define copy program with options to force copy of readonly files
++CP?=   cp -f
++
+ .include "${.CURDIR}/../../../common/Makefile.bootcd"

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Re: NetBSD under VM - ntpd doesn't do the job

On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 11:20 PM, Donald Lee <MacPPC2 <at> c.icompute.com> wrote:
> Not a PPC problem, but I wonder if anyone knows....
>
> Are there any options in NetBSD that will make the clock behave better
> when the maching is a VM? I'm running an x86 NetBSD 6 VM and it runs
> fine, but the clock drifts pretty badly.
>
> Linux's clock is rock solid as a VM. I have read that the difference is
> that linux handles the HW clock in a "VM-friendly" way.
>
> What are my options for NetBSD?

I'm running NetBSD in VMWare on a Mac. VMWare has an option where the
VM clock is sync'ed with the host clock (which, in turn, is updated
with OSX's ntpd.) Don't know if such a thing is possible with
commercial "cloud" VMs.

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-- 
Rich


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