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Izumi Tsutsui | 9 Mar 2009 17:53
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bootable ISOs

I wrote:

> > > First off, I started with the ISO image for 4.0.1.  This is because
> > > I have a vague recollection that the newer macppc ISO images are un-
> > > bootable.  I beleive/hope there is now a PR about the issue(?)
> > 
> > http://gnats.netbsd.org/40938
> 
> and
> http://www.NetBSD.org/contrib/soc-projects.html#makefs
> 
> src/distrib/cdrom should still work with some tweaks, though.

I've committed some changes to src/distrib/cdrom
and put (unofficial and untested) bootable ISOs:
ftp://ftp.NetBSD.org/pub/NetBSD/misc/tsutsui/iso/mac68kcd-5.0_RC2-20090307.iso.gz
ftp://ftp.NetBSD.org/pub/NetBSD/misc/tsutsui/iso/macppccd-5.0_RC2-20090307.iso.gz

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Tim & Alethea Larson | 9 Mar 2009 23:12
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Re: bootable ISOs

Izumi Tsutsui wrote:
> I've committed some changes to src/distrib/cdrom
> and put (unofficial and untested) bootable ISOs:
> ftp://ftp.NetBSD.org/pub/NetBSD/misc/tsutsui/iso/mac68kcd-5.0_RC2-20090307.iso.gz
> ftp://ftp.NetBSD.org/pub/NetBSD/misc/tsutsui/iso/macppccd-5.0_RC2-20090307.iso.gz

If someone has time to test the 68k CD and report here, it would be most 
appreciated!

Tim

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Izumi Tsutsui | 10 Mar 2009 11:31
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Re: bootable ISOs

hauke <at> Espresso.Rhein-Neckar.DE wrote:

> At 1:53 Uhr +0900 10.3.2009, Izumi Tsutsui wrote:
> >I've committed some changes to src/distrib/cdrom
> >and put (unofficial and untested) bootable ISOs:
> >
> >ftp://ftp.NetBSD.org/pub/NetBSD/misc/tsutsui/iso/mac68kcd-5.0_RC2-20090307.iso.
> >gz
> 
> Seriously? Bootable? mac68k? System 7 and all? How did you do that? And
> what does Apple say?

Depends on definition of the word "bootable."

I'm not a Macintosh user, but I thought it was common knowledge
that using Booter utility was the only way to boot NetBSD/mac68k.
In that scope, "bootable ISO" means a CD image which has a hyblid
ISO9660/HFS file system with all necessary executable MacOS binaries.

If you don't think it is so common, you can add a FAQ entry
that mentions "you need MacOS to boot NetBSD/mac68k"
before answering "what to do" to boot.

Anyway, your message has discourage my motivation enough.  Thanks,

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Hauke Fath | 10 Mar 2009 08:30
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Re: bootable ISOs

At 1:53 Uhr +0900 10.3.2009, Izumi Tsutsui wrote:
>I've committed some changes to src/distrib/cdrom
>and put (unofficial and untested) bootable ISOs:
>
>ftp://ftp.NetBSD.org/pub/NetBSD/misc/tsutsui/iso/mac68kcd-5.0_RC2-20090307.iso.
>gz

Seriously? Bootable? mac68k? System 7 and all? How did you do that? And
what does Apple say?

	hauke

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Hisashi T Fujinaka | 10 Mar 2009 19:54

Re: bootable ISOs

On Tue, 10 Mar 2009, Izumi Tsutsui wrote:

> hauke <at> Espresso.Rhein-Neckar.DE wrote:
>
>> At 1:53 Uhr +0900 10.3.2009, Izumi Tsutsui wrote:
>>> I've committed some changes to src/distrib/cdrom
>>> and put (unofficial and untested) bootable ISOs:
>>>
>>> ftp://ftp.NetBSD.org/pub/NetBSD/misc/tsutsui/iso/mac68kcd-5.0_RC2-20090307.iso.
>>> gz
>>
>> Seriously? Bootable? mac68k? System 7 and all? How did you do that? And
>> what does Apple say?
>
> Depends on definition of the word "bootable."
>
> I'm not a Macintosh user, but I thought it was common knowledge
> that using Booter utility was the only way to boot NetBSD/mac68k.
> In that scope, "bootable ISO" means a CD image which has a hyblid
> ISO9660/HFS file system with all necessary executable MacOS binaries.
>
> If you don't think it is so common, you can add a FAQ entry
> that mentions "you need MacOS to boot NetBSD/mac68k"
> before answering "what to do" to boot.
>
> Anyway, your message has discourage my motivation enough.  Thanks,

I have a Mac SE/30 that I want to try but I have to find a CD ROM drive.
Maybe I should try ebay. :)
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Hauke Fath | 10 Mar 2009 23:07
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Re: bootable ISOs

At 19:31 Uhr +0900 10.3.2009, Izumi Tsutsui wrote:
>hauke <at> Espresso.Rhein-Neckar.DE wrote:
>
>> At 1:53 Uhr +0900 10.3.2009, Izumi Tsutsui wrote:
>> >I've committed some changes to src/distrib/cdrom
>> >and put (unofficial and untested) bootable ISOs:
>> >
>>
>>>ftp://ftp.NetBSD.org/pub/NetBSD/misc/tsutsui/iso/mac68kcd-5.0_RC2-20090307.iso.
>> >gz
>>
>> Seriously? Bootable? mac68k? System 7 and all? How did you do that? And
>> what does Apple say?
>
>Depends on definition of the word "bootable."
>
>I'm not a Macintosh user, but I thought it was common knowledge
>that using Booter utility was the only way to boot NetBSD/mac68k.
>In that scope, "bootable ISO" means a CD image which has a hyblid
>ISO9660/HFS file system with all necessary executable MacOS binaries.

Okay. But the CD doesn't come with a bootable Apple Macintosh System on it,
and cannot, for obvious licensing reasons. That's why I asked back. It is
still very helpful for beginners to have a one-stop install media - thanks
for your work!

>If you don't think it is so common, you can add a FAQ entry
>that mentions "you need MacOS to boot NetBSD/mac68k"
>before answering "what to do" to boot.
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M G | 11 Mar 2009 00:38
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Re: bootable ISOs

A fully bootable mac68k CD is too good to be true. But, a CD you can
pop in, run the booter and boot in to a working netbsd system is a
VERY NICE THING TO HAVE! I had to master my own on more than one
occasion, and if I had thought ahead at all I would have posted the
images for everyone else. It certainly is better than finding that old
mac FTP client on a floppy disk and getting TCP/IP working just so I
can FTP the booter and install image in.

We didn't mean to discourage at all, there was just a slight misunderstanding :)

I'll give it a try as soon as I find my one and only SCSI CDROM drive...

On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Hauke Fath
<hauke <at> espresso.rhein-neckar.de> wrote:
> At 19:31 Uhr +0900 10.3.2009, Izumi Tsutsui wrote:
>>hauke <at> Espresso.Rhein-Neckar.DE wrote:
>>
>>> At 1:53 Uhr +0900 10.3.2009, Izumi Tsutsui wrote:
>>> >I've committed some changes to src/distrib/cdrom
>>> >and put (unofficial and untested) bootable ISOs:
>>> >
>>>
>>>>ftp://ftp.NetBSD.org/pub/NetBSD/misc/tsutsui/iso/mac68kcd-5.0_RC2-20090307.iso.
>>> >gz
>>>
>>> Seriously? Bootable? mac68k? System 7 and all? How did you do that? And
>>> what does Apple say?
>>
>>Depends on definition of the word "bootable."
>>
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Amitai Schlair | 11 Mar 2009 01:08

Re: bootable ISOs

On 3/10/09 6:07 PM, Hauke Fath wrote:

> It is just that if you had been able to pull off a bootable
> redistributable CD, that would have been almost too good to be true.

At a glance, <URL:http://emile.sourceforge.net/> looks like a
potentially useful source of information (I've barely skimmed the
website) for native booting. For some non-GPL code that once upon a
time sounded very promising, I'm reminded of
<URL:http://mail-index.netbsd.org/port-mac68k/2003/08/23/0001.html>.

tsutsui <at> , thank you for your attention to the mac68k port! I'm sure
everyone on the list feels the same way.
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Andrew Ball | 11 Mar 2009 22:15

Quadra 700


Hello,

    I finally got around today to installing four 4 Mbyte
SIMMs in my old Quadra 700, which I've kept around with the
intention of trying NetBSD/mac68k. The machine seems healthy
enough with the exception of the hard disk, which has
presumably siezed because of the long period of non-use.  I
understand that the internal drive much be a 3.5" 8-bit,
electrically single-ended SCSI disk (or something that can
"fall back" to operate that way).  What's the disk capacity
limit for a Quadra 700?  Am I right in thinking that I will
need to install something like System 7 on a small
partition, to boot from?

Thanks,
  - Andy Ball.
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Riccardo Mottola | 11 Mar 2009 22:34
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Re: Quadra 700

Hi,

I don't think you should encounter prakical limits with single/ended scsi
disks.

1,2,4,8,9GB alls hould work. I htink you can get 20MB without problems too.
Theoretically scsi doesn't pose limits as IDE, 40GB Might work, but then
depending on the specific controller and in any case such a new hard drive
would be worth more than the quadra itself.

Riccardo

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From: "Andrew Ball" <aball <at> students.prairiestate.edu>
To: <port-mac68k <at> netbsd.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 10:15 PM
Subject: Quadra 700

>
> Hello,
>
>     I finally got around today to installing four 4 Mbyte
> SIMMs in my old Quadra 700, which I've kept around with the
> intention of trying NetBSD/mac68k. The machine seems healthy
> enough with the exception of the hard disk, which has
> presumably siezed because of the long period of non-use.  I
> understand that the internal drive much be a 3.5" 8-bit,
> electrically single-ended SCSI disk (or something that can
> "fall back" to operate that way).  What's the disk capacity
> limit for a Quadra 700?  Am I right in thinking that I will
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