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Hiroyuki Bessho | 1 Oct 2002 06:52
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atomic.h (Re: A change to <arm/cpu.h>)

Hi,

  I prepared a patch to make atomic_{set,clear}_bit inline at
ftp://iwashi.grotto.jp/pub/netbsd/atomic.patch.

  Does it look ok?

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Steve Clement | 15 Oct 2002 23:07
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releng.netbsd.org

Hi,
since 22nd of Sept. daily-autobuilds have been failing. Does anyone know 
the reason and how to alert?

Alos I received 2 weird mails from alias <at> netbsd.org no subject and no 
recipient list and  sender was port-arm32 list that was on 04/10/2002 
18:42 and 19:39.

weirded out,

Steve

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Alistair Crooks | 24 Oct 2002 16:05

Window Manager?

Thanks to the evangelism and patience Herb, I've stumped up the
readies for an HP 720, put 1.6I on there, and with thanks to many
people on the list here, now have X running, and the Fn key working
enough to be able to use the '[', ']' et al keys. Kudos to you all -
it's such a nice environment, especially with my wi0 card in there.

Onto more mundane matters:

1.  what window manager does everyone use?  I'm used to enlightenment
on all my other boxes, but somehow believe that's probably not a good
choice for the Jornada.  I'm looking for a wm with virtual desktops,
configurable, and not too bloated.  Something aimed at the hpc market
would be great (small, virtual windows, can use a pen as a pointer and
selector naturally), but I'm not holding my breath. If necessary, I
can package...

2.  are there any other terminal packages which do the "squashed text"
well, like the Jornada console, such that you can get 24 lines in 240
pixels?

3. is anyone using a gprs card with an hpcarm box? If so, which one, and
any stories to tell, good or bad?

4. if not gprs, how do people connect up to the big bad world from their
hpcarm box? IR to a mobile phone? PC card modem?

5.  I've had good experience with 128 MB Memorex CF cards (again,
thanks Herb), but bad experience with a Kingston 256 MB CF card.  Does
anyone else have experience (good or bad, with different CF cards, so
that I can make an informed purchase of something mondo for the
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Herb Peyerl | 24 Oct 2002 16:15

Re: Window Manager?

Alistair Crooks <agc <at> wasabisystems.com>  wrote:
 > on all my other boxes, but somehow believe that's probably not a good
 > choice for the Jornada.  I'm looking for a wm with virtual desktops,
 > configurable, and not too bloated.  Something aimed at the hpc market
 > would be great (small, virtual windows, can use a pen as a pointer and
 > selector naturally), but I'm not holding my breath. If necessary, I
 > can package...

I'm too lazy to solve this dilemma but, as always, welcome others to solve
it for us. :)  Somewhere along the way I ran across a blackbox config file for
Lignux on the J720 but I haven't been able to find it since.  

 > 3. is anyone using a gprs card with an hpcarm box? If so, which one, and
 > any stories to tell, good or bad?

I use the novatelwireless gprs card and it works fine, for the most part. I
think the local carrier changed something when they went from 'beta' to
'production' so now I have to update my firmware again. 

 > 5.  I've had good experience with 128 MB Memorex CF cards (again,
 > thanks Herb), but bad experience with a Kingston 256 MB CF card.  Does
 > anyone else have experience (good or bad, with different CF cards, so
 > that I can make an informed purchase of something mondo for the
 > Jornada.  Deleting binaries which won't get used loses its appeal
 > after the second or third time.

I have a Memorex 256MB card and it's dandy.  I also have a "Muse 128MB" 
card and it wishes is could suck goat testes but isn't good enough even
for that.  Personally, unless I could try them in the store, I wouldn't
buy anything but Memorex or Sandisk.
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Robert Swindells | 25 Oct 2002 00:23
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Re: Window Manager?


Herb Peyerl wrote:
>actually, I was thinking about a USB keyboard but I'm betting the J720
>is a USB Device, not host. Or heck, a USB Mouse... but ah well. I know
>the intent is to be portable but sometimes you just want a real keyboard
>and mouse. 

The Jornada 720 has the SA1111 companion chip which contains an OHCI
USB host controller. I don't know whether it is brought out to an
external connector though as I don't own a J720.

There is a bug in the SA1111 that means that it can only do bus
master DMA into the first ~1M of RAM, depending on SDRAM type. There
isn't a PIO interface to the USB controller.

To get this to work we would need to add a bounce buffer implementation
and either move the kernel start address up, or create some hole fairly
near the start of it.

I have got a SA1111 OHCI attachment file which attaches the generic
ohci driver, but I haven't written the bounce buffer stuff.

Robert Swindells
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Herb Peyerl | 25 Oct 2002 01:28

Re: Window Manager?

Robert Swindells <rjs <at> fdy2.demon.co.uk>  wrote:
 > The Jornada 720 has the SA1111 companion chip which contains an OHCI
 > USB host controller. I don't know whether it is brought out to an
 > external connector though as I don't own a J720.

The docking port has such a connector.

 > I have got a SA1111 OHCI attachment file which attaches the generic
 > ohci driver, but I haven't written the bounce buffer stuff.

Cool.
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Brad Spencer | 25 Oct 2002 04:37

Re: Window Manager?


[snip]

   actually, I was thinking about a USB keyboard but I'm betting the J720
   is a USB Device, not host. Or heck, a USB Mouse... but ah well. I know
   the intent is to be portable but sometimes you just want a real keyboard
   and mouse. 

I forgot to mention, but as an alternative, you can start moused and use a
normal serial mouse on /dev/ttyS0.  The only issue is that there are
signed character bugs in moused and it order for it work you must compile
it with -fsigned-char.  I really must file a PR on that...

I'v used a Logitech Trackman "snail" [big red track ball sort of thing]
that is bigger then the J720 it is attached to.

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Brad Spencer | 25 Oct 2002 04:25

Re: Window Manager?


   Thanks to the evangelism and patience Herb, I've stumped up the
   readies for an HP 720, put 1.6I on there, and with thanks to many
   people on the list here, now have X running, and the Fn key working
   enough to be able to use the '[', ']' et al keys. Kudos to you all -
   it's such a nice environment, especially with my wi0 card in there.

   Onto more mundane matters:

   1.  what window manager does everyone use?  I'm used to enlightenment
   on all my other boxes, but somehow believe that's probably not a good
   choice for the Jornada.  I'm looking for a wm with virtual desktops,
   configurable, and not too bloated.  Something aimed at the hpc market
   would be great (small, virtual windows, can use a pen as a pointer and
   selector naturally), but I'm not holding my breath. If necessary, I
   can package...

I use piewm, which is a version of tvtwm, which is based upon the original
twm window manager.  It is probably pretty primitive, but is quite
functional, with a virtual desktop and either pulldown or pie menus that
are completely configurable.

   2.  are there any other terminal packages which do the "squashed text"
   well, like the Jornada console, such that you can get 24 lines in 240
   pixels?

In X, the 5x8 font will produce an xterm that has 28 lines.  If you use
the 6x10 font, you can get 22 lines.  I use both.

   3. is anyone using a gprs card with an hpcarm box? If so, which one, and
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Brad Spencer | 25 Oct 2002 04:29

Re: Window Manager?


   Herb Peyerl wrote:
   >actually, I was thinking about a USB keyboard but I'm betting the J720
   >is a USB Device, not host. Or heck, a USB Mouse... but ah well. I know
   >the intent is to be portable but sometimes you just want a real keyboard
   >and mouse. 

   The Jornada 720 has the SA1111 companion chip which contains an OHCI
   USB host controller. I don't know whether it is brought out to an
   external connector though as I don't own a J720.

   There is a bug in the SA1111 that means that it can only do bus
   master DMA into the first ~1M of RAM, depending on SDRAM type. There
   isn't a PIO interface to the USB controller.

   To get this to work we would need to add a bounce buffer implementation
   and either move the kernel start address up, or create some hole fairly
   near the start of it.

   I have got a SA1111 OHCI attachment file which attaches the generic
   ohci driver, but I haven't written the bounce buffer stuff.

   Robert Swindells

I really hope that the USB host controller pins are brought out, but I am
not hopeful.  When you attach the J720 to another NetBSD system, it
presents itself as some special USB device and attaches to ugen.  The
docking station itself does not appear to house anything except wire.

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sengel | 25 Oct 2002 13:18

Re: Window Manager?


>Thanks to the evangelism and patience Herb, I've stumped up the
>readies for an HP 720, put 1.6I on there, and with thanks to many
>people on the list here, now have X running, and the Fn key working
>enough to be able to use the '[', ']' et al keys. Kudos to you all -
>it's such a nice environment, especially with my wi0 card in there.
>
>Onto more mundane matters:
>
>1.  what window manager does everyone use?  I'm used to enlightenment
>on all my other boxes, but somehow believe that's probably not a good
>choice for the Jornada.  I'm looking for a wm with virtual desktops,
>configurable, and not too bloated.  Something aimed at the hpc market
>would be great (small, virtual windows, can use a pen as a pointer and
>selector naturally), but I'm not holding my breath. If necessary, I
>can package...

I'm using matchbox which is on the pkgsrc tree but I had to twick the Makefiles (CFLAG= -Os -> -O). Combined
with mmouse from matchbox author but not in pkgsrc tree you'll get a tiny fully functional WM.

>2.  are there any other terminal packages which do the "squashed text"
>well, like the Jornada console, such that you can get 24 lines in 240
>pixels?
>
>3. is anyone using a gprs card with an hpcarm box? If so, which one, and
>any stories to tell, good or bad?
>
>4. if not gprs, how do people connect up to the big bad world from their
>hpcarm box? IR to a mobile phone? PC card modem?
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