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peter slegg | 14 Feb 2003 15:04
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Atari installation

Hi,

I am considering installing NetBSD on my Milan060 and so
I downloaded the CD ISO image.

The instructions talk of creating installation and boot floppies
but the folder /atari/installation/floppy does not exist.

I tried looking at the FTP sites and that folder does not exist
there either.

Is the documentation wrong ? It does seem an odd way to do start
an installation.

Regards,

Peter

 
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Julian Coleman | 14 Feb 2003 17:21
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Re: Atari installation

> The instructions talk of creating installation and boot floppies
> but the folder /atari/installation/floppy does not exist.

> Is the documentation wrong ? It does seem an odd way to do start
> an installation.

It's ages since I've done an installation from floppy, but I think that the
documentation is incorrect here.  There is a atari/installation/misc/
directory that contains boot filesystem images.  Presumably you want either
milan_isa_boot.fs.gz or milan_pci_boot.fs.gz.

J

PS.  I assume that this is 1.6?
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Peter Slegg | 14 Feb 2003 15:27
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Re: Atari installation

Hi,

Yes it is 1.6 I am looking at.

How do I start the installer without the loadbsd.ttp mentioned
in the docs ?

The milan_isa_boot.fs.gz and milan_pci_boot.fs.gz just contain a single
file like milan_isa_boot.fs or milan_pci_boot.fs

I haven't found an explanation of what the difference is between the
isa and the pci version.

Regards,

Peter

On Fri, 14 Feb 2003 16:21:15 , Julian Coleman <jdc <at> coris.demon.co.uk> wrote:
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> > The instructions talk of creating installation and boot floppies
> > but the folder /atari/installation/floppy does not exist.
>
> > Is the documentation wrong ? It does seem an odd way to do start
> > an installation.
>
> It's ages since I've done an installation from floppy, but I think that the
> documentation is incorrect here.  There is a atari/installation/misc/
> directory that contains boot filesystem images.  Presumably you want either
> milan_isa_boot.fs.gz or milan_pci_boot.fs.gz.
>
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Leo Weppelman | 14 Feb 2003 23:25
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Re: Atari installation

On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 04:04:24PM +0200, peter slegg wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I am considering installing NetBSD on my Milan060 and so
> I downloaded the CD ISO image.
> 
> The instructions talk of creating installation and boot floppies
> but the folder /atari/installation/floppy does not exist.

Yup, something got messed up. The contents of the /atari/installation/misc
directory is what should have been in the /atari/installation/floppy
directory. The intended contents of the /atari/installation/misc directory
are gone...

So that means you can find all the tos-tools for 1.6 on the floppies.
But there are more faults in the 1.6 installation:
  - The 1.6 Kernels for the Milan and Hades have to few md devices. This
    will be corrected in 1.6.1. I have just uploaded the  preliminary 1.6.1
    kernels for the Milan to ftp.netbsd.org. Look in the directory:
    /ftp/pub/incoming/leo.
    Those kernels can be used with 1.6 without problems.

  - The documentation is wrong wrt. the md boot device. When using 1.44MB
    floppies and the sysinst installer (the situation for your Milan
    installation), you should use md2a as root device.

This should give you enough rope to start the installation I hope. If you
need more info, please ask!

PS: When things go wrong, don't work as expected or are otherwise flaky,
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Peter Slegg | 15 Feb 2003 12:34
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Re: Atari installation

On Fri, 14 Feb 2003 23:25:27 , Leo Weppelman <leo <at> wau.mis.ah.nl> wrote:
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> On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 04:04:24PM +0200, peter slegg wrote:
> > The instructions talk of creating installation and boot floppies
> > but the folder /atari/installation/floppy does not exist.
>
> Yup, something got messed up. The contents of the /atari/installation/misc
> directory is what should have been in the /atari/installation/floppy
> directory. The intended contents of the /atari/installation/misc directory
> are gone...

The content of \atari\installation\misc\ is:

  boot.fs.gz
  BSDSUM
  CKSUM
  hades_boot.fs.gz
  MD5
  milan_isa_boot.fs.gz
  milan_pci_boot.fs.gz
  SYSVSUM

So this is this the stuff that should be in /floppy ?  I was expecting
to find some sort of installer program. Am I missing something else ?

Regards,

Peter

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Julian Coleman | 15 Feb 2003 22:06
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Re: Atari installation

> The content of \atari\installation\misc\ is:
> 
>   boot.fs.gz
>   hades_boot.fs.gz
>   milan_isa_boot.fs.gz
>   milan_pci_boot.fs.gz
> 
> So this is this the stuff that should be in /floppy ?  I was expecting
> to find some sort of installer program. Am I missing something else ?

Yep.  These are the filesystem images (compressed to save space).  First
uncompress them, then use `dd` or `rawwrite.ttp` to put them on floppy.
Then, boot from that floppy.  The installer program is on the floppy.  I
guess the installation document is not clear enough about this.  If you
could suggest better wording, that would be great!

J

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Leo Weppelman | 15 Feb 2003 22:36
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Re: Atari installation

On Sat, Feb 15, 2003 at 09:06:28PM +0000, Julian Coleman wrote:
> > The content of \atari\installation\misc\ is:
> > 
> >   boot.fs.gz
> >   hades_boot.fs.gz
> >   milan_isa_boot.fs.gz
> >   milan_pci_boot.fs.gz
> > 
> > So this is this the stuff that should be in /floppy ?  I was expecting
> > to find some sort of installer program. Am I missing something else ?
> 
> Yep.  These are the filesystem images (compressed to save space).  First
> uncompress them, then use `dd` or `rawwrite.ttp` to put them on floppy.
> Then, boot from that floppy.  The installer program is on the floppy.  I
> guess the installation document is not clear enough about this.  If you
> could suggest better wording, that would be great!

And there is a catch here... The tools to decompress and to write the floppy
should shave been in the /misc directory :-| The best advise here is
probably to use the gzip.ttp and  rawwrite.ttp.gz from the 1.5 release.
You cannot use loadbsd from 1.5!!

Leo.
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Peter Slegg | 16 Feb 2003 12:07
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Re: Atari installation

On Sat, 15 Feb 2003 22:36:50 , Leo Weppelman <leo <at> wau.mis.ah.nl> wrote:
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> On Sat, Feb 15, 2003 at 09:06:28PM +0000, Julian Coleman wrote:

> And there is a catch here... The tools to decompress and to write the floppy
> should shave been in the /misc directory :-| The best advise here is
> probably to use the gzip.ttp and  rawwrite.ttp.gz from the 1.5 release.
> You cannot use loadbsd from 1.5!!
>
> Leo.

Hi,

Thanks Leo.

I now have the rawwrite.ttp from 1.5 so I formatted a couple of 1.44 Mb
floppies and unpacked the milan_pci gz archive. Next I dragged
milan_pciboot.fs onto rawwrite.ttp (this is GEM after all) a console
opens and it says ": Format error".

It must have written something to the floppy because the disk is corrupted
and I have to reformat it.

Wouldn't it be easier to put the necessary install files in the distribution
rather than the .fs compressed disk image ?

Also, reading the install docs I can't work out if I need to partition
the HD myself before creating the floppies or whether the installation does
it when I run the stuff on the installation floppy.
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Leo Weppelman | 18 Feb 2003 07:45
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Re: Atari installation

On Sun, Feb 16, 2003 at 01:07:11PM +0200, Peter Slegg wrote:

> I now have the rawwrite.ttp from 1.5 so I formatted a couple of 1.44 Mb
> floppies and unpacked the milan_pci gz archive. Next I dragged
> milan_pciboot.fs onto rawwrite.ttp (this is GEM after all) a console
> opens and it says ": Format error".

While the documentation might not be perfect, the following paragraph
pasted from the install documentation describes an alternative method for
the "dragging" did:

    If you are using TOS to make the floppies, grab the rawwrite utility
    from the atari/utils directory and issue the command:

       rawwrite boot.fs

    This will create the boot-floppy on the floppy in drive a. The floppies
    should be pre-formatted on 720 KB / 1.44 MB for both the dd and rawwrite
    commands to work. Pre-formatting can be best done using the desktop
    format command. Some other utilities seem to be giving problems.

    Since the 1.3 release, it is also possible to use HD-floppies. You
    should than use the floppy device /dev/rfd0c or add the -H flag to
    rawwrite.

So, I think you should be doing something like:
      rawwrite -H milan_pciboot.fs

> Wouldn't it be easier to put the necessary install files in the distribution
> rather than the .fs compressed disk image ?
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