NetBSD on Digital's Alpha AXP systems (NetBSD/alpha)

Michael L. Hitch | 4 Sep 2008 21:38

Re: ES45 and SMP?

On Wed, 5 Dec 2007, Stephen Jones wrote:

> I've got a few ES45s available to me with 4 procs each.  Before I put down 
> the dough, is NetBSD ready for
> prime time on these?  I'm guessing Greg is the only one that might know for 
> sure.  And I of course don't
> mean just loading NetBSD and then letting the machine idle, I mean really 
> intense 24/7 use.

   Our ES45 has just been removed from production, so I am attempting to 
boot NetBSD on it, but no luck so far.

   I have been able to boot an ES40 with no problems, but the ES45 (as well 
as an ES47 we had taken out of production) fails loading the kernel.

--
Michael L. Hitch			mhitch <at> montana.edu
Computer Consultant
Information Technology Center
Montana State University	Bozeman, MT	USA

Greg A. Woods; Planix, Inc. | 4 Sep 2008 22:07

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Re: ES45 and SMP?

On Wed, 5 Dec 2007, Stephen Jones wrote:

> I've got a few ES45s available to me with 4 procs each.  Before I  
> put down the dough, is NetBSD ready for
> prime time on these?  I'm guessing Greg is the only one that might  
> know for sure.  And I of course don't
> mean just loading NetBSD and then letting the machine idle, I mean  
> really intense 24/7 use.

The machine my client is running is only an ES40.

It would be cool though if NetBSD/alpha would run on the ES45s and  
ES47s.

However for CPU cycles vs. power consumption these days the AMD server  
chips might have a lower cost to operate (and take up less space! ).

--

-- 
					Greg A. Woods; Planix, Inc.
					<woods <at> planix.ca>

Michael L. Hitch | 4 Sep 2008 21:43

Re: netbsd-4.0 boots on alpha ES45 ?

On Wed, 16 Jan 2008, mel kravitz wrote:

> Fresh boot cdrom and tried floppies, (Version-4.0) both fail booting on alpha 
> ES45, both work on LX164.
> Any one have any better luck perhaps with 2.0 or 1.6?
> Mel

   How did this fail?  I am just now trying to boot netbsd on our ES45 that 
was just removed from production, and it's failing when the boot loader is 
loading the kernel.  I think I saw the same failure on an ES47 a few weeks 
ago before we sold them.  I've tried 4.0 from a copy of a disk that boots 
fine on my CS20, and I've tried a -current CDROM.  I haven't figured out 
how to proceed from here, but I'll probably try adding some debugging 
output to the boot loader.

--
Michael L. Hitch			mhitch <at> montana.edu
Computer Consultant
Information Technology Center
Montana State University	Bozeman, MT	USA

Dave McGuire | 4 Sep 2008 22:16

Re: ES45 and SMP?

On Sep 4, 2008, at 4:07 PM, Greg A. Woods; Planix, Inc. wrote:
> However for CPU cycles vs. power consumption these days the AMD  
> server chips might have a lower cost to operate (and take up less  
> space! ).

   Can we yet run them in "native" mode, or are we stuck with the  
crufty 30+ year old x86 architecture?  If the latter, I'll stick with  
Alphas and UltraSPARCs. ;)

   BTW, hi Greg, glad to see you're still breathing!

           -Dave

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-- 
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL

Havard Eidnes | 8 Sep 2008 18:54

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Package binaries for NetBSD/alpha 3.1 / pkgsrc-2008Q2

Hi,

I've uploaded the results of a bulk rebuild for NetBSD/alpha
3.1 to

   ftp://ftp.NetBSD.org/pub/pkgsrc/packages/NetBSD/alpha/3.1_2008Q2/

A total of 6.6GB of packages were uploaded.

Following our policy for retention of old binary packages, the
3.0_2007Q3 packages for this platform will be removed, since we
keep only at most two sets of binaries for each os-version /
architecture, and even though 3.1 isn't 3.0, it's "close enough".
The NetBSD/alpha 2.1 binary packages also have an uncertain
future, since NetBSD 2.1 as the base OS is no longer supported.

The source tree this was built from was updated 26 Jul 2008, and
the packages were built on a system running 3.1_STABLE.

I'll continue building for NetBSD/alpha 3.1 along the 2008Q2
pkgsrc branch.

Regards,

- Håvard

Michael L. Hitch | 10 Sep 2008 00:13

Re: ES45 and SMP?

On Thu, 4 Sep 2008, Michael L. Hitch wrote:

> On Wed, 5 Dec 2007, Stephen Jones wrote:
>
>> I've got a few ES45s available to me with 4 procs each.  Before I put down 
>> the dough, is NetBSD ready for
>> prime time on these?  I'm guessing Greg is the only one that might know for 
>> sure.  And I of course don't
>> mean just loading NetBSD and then letting the machine idle, I mean really 
>> intense 24/7 use.
>
>  Our ES45 has just been removed from production, so I am attempting to boot 
> NetBSD on it, but no luck so far.
>
>  I have been able to boot an ES40 with no problems, but the ES45 (as well as 
> an ES47 we had taken out of production) fails loading the kernel.

   Ah, progress...

   The ES45 I have still had Tru64 on it, and when I booted it, I noticed 
that it loaded at 0xfffffc0000430000.  NetBSD was loading at 
0xfffffc0000300000, so I build a kernel that loaded at 0xfffffc0000430000.
This kernel completed loading and began executing:

8962064+479936 [529536+351743]=0x9d8c10

Entering netbsd-ES45 at 0xfffffc0000431130...

NetBSD does not yet support system type 38 (???).

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Christos Zoulas | 10 Sep 2008 03:48

Re: ES45 and SMP?

In article <Pine.NEB.4.64.0809091602450.28649 <at> lightning.msu.montana.edu>,
Michael L. Hitch <mhitch <at> lightning.msu.montana.edu> wrote:
>On Thu, 4 Sep 2008, Michael L. Hitch wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 5 Dec 2007, Stephen Jones wrote:
>>
>>> I've got a few ES45s available to me with 4 procs each.  Before I put down 
>>> the dough, is NetBSD ready for
>>> prime time on these?  I'm guessing Greg is the only one that might know for 
>>> sure.  And I of course don't
>>> mean just loading NetBSD and then letting the machine idle, I mean really 
>>> intense 24/7 use.
>>
>>  Our ES45 has just been removed from production, so I am attempting to boot 
>> NetBSD on it, but no luck so far.
>>
>>  I have been able to boot an ES40 with no problems, but the ES45 (as well as 
>> an ES47 we had taken out of production) fails loading the kernel.
>
>   Ah, progress...
>
>   The ES45 I have still had Tru64 on it, and when I booted it, I noticed 
>that it loaded at 0xfffffc0000430000.  NetBSD was loading at 
>0xfffffc0000300000, so I build a kernel that loaded at 0xfffffc0000430000.
>This kernel completed loading and began executing:
>
>8962064+479936 [529536+351743]=0x9d8c10
>
>Entering netbsd-ES45 at 0xfffffc0000431130...
>

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Simon Burge | 10 Sep 2008 04:46

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Re: ES45 and SMP?

"Michael L. Hitch" wrote:

>    Ah, progress...

Cool!

>    The ES45 I have still had Tru64 on it, and when I booted it, I noticed 
> that it loaded at 0xfffffc0000430000.  NetBSD was loading at 
> 0xfffffc0000300000, so I build a kernel that loaded at 0xfffffc0000430000.
> This kernel completed loading and began executing:

That's about 1.2MB higher - should we make that the default load address
for all Alpha kernels now?  Does Tru64 use the same load address for
other models, or just this one?

Cheers,
Simon.

Greg A. Woods; Planix, Inc. | 10 Sep 2008 21:22

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nice big AlphaServer 4100 going for next to nothing in Vancouver, BC....

There's a nice full-rack AlphaServer 4100 going for next to nothing in  
Vancouver, BC.

	http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=320294925032

The seller says it has to go by the end of the week or it's off to the  
scrap yard.

I'd take it as you might imagine, but I can't afford to ship it across  
the country.

I'm hoping someone can find it a new home and given that it's going  
for next to nothing, maybe someone here who happens to be in its local  
area might be able to take it.

--

-- 
					Greg A. Woods; Planix, Inc.
					<woods <at> planix.ca>

Michael L. Hitch | 11 Sep 2008 21:03

Re: ES45 and SMP?

On Wed, 10 Sep 2008, Christos Zoulas wrote:

> In article <Pine.NEB.4.64.0809091602450.28649 <at> lightning.msu.montana.edu>,
> Michael L. Hitch <mhitch <at> lightning.msu.montana.edu> wrote:
...
>>   Ah, progress...
>>
>>   The ES45 I have still had Tru64 on it, and when I booted it, I noticed
>> that it loaded at 0xfffffc0000430000.  NetBSD was loading at
>> 0xfffffc0000300000, so I build a kernel that loaded at 0xfffffc0000430000.
>> This kernel completed loading and began executing:
>>
>> 8962064+479936 [529536+351743]=0x9d8c10
>>
>> Entering netbsd-ES45 at 0xfffffc0000431130...
>>
>> NetBSD does not yet support system type 38 (???).
>>
>> panic: platform not supported
>>
>>
>>   Next step would be to add the system type support, which may be a bit
>> more than I know.
>
> Good progress! Does not look very hard from reading the code!

   Um, what code?  The ES45 apparently uses a different chipset than the
ES40 & friends.  It has 4 hoses instead of the 2 that the ES40 has.  The 
show config command doesn't show any useful information about the chipset 
(the ES40 and CS20 display the chipset).

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