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Jason Dixon | 3 Nov 2008 02:00

DCBSDCon 2009 Call for Papers

The DCBSDCon conference has opened up a Call for Papers for the 2009
event.  Speakers are welcome to submit any topic of interest, although
security themes are preferred. This conference leads up to the very
popular ShmooCon hacker convention in Washington, D.C. where BSD
developers and users are always in attendance.

Main Website: http://www.dcbsdcon.org/
Call For Papers: http://www.dcbsdcon.org/cfp.html

Hope to see you there!

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Marc G. Fournier | 3 Nov 2008 23:33

BSDstats: New High Water Mark: 25 000+ Hosts Reporting In


As of November 3rd, 2008, the project has hit a new milestone of 25 000+ hosts 
reporting in, with a break down as follows:

           PC-BSD           17 454 hosts
           FreeBSD           5 526 hosts
           DesktopBSD        1 919 hosts
           NetBSD               86 hosts
           MirBSD               21 hosts
           OpenBSD              55 hosts
           DragonFly            26 hosts
           MidnightBSD          26 hosts
           GNU/kFreeBSD          2 hosts

We currently have hosts being reported in from 135 countries, with the top 10
being:

           United States           6 082
           Russian Federation      1 836
           Germany                 1 586
           Australia               1 341
           Ukraine                   997
           France                    930
           Japan                     898
           United Kingdom            791
           Canada                    767
           Brazil                    729

Project URL: http://www.bsdstats.org

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Don Witt | 4 Nov 2008 00:12

RE: BSDstats: New High Water Mark: 25 000+ Hosts Reporting In

This is very cool.  What is up with NetBSD and OpenBSD.  Are these numbers
accurate?

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Subject: BSDstats: New High Water Mark: 25 000+ Hosts Reporting In

As of November 3rd, 2008, the project has hit a new milestone of 25 000+
hosts 
reporting in, with a break down as follows:

           PC-BSD           17 454 hosts
           FreeBSD           5 526 hosts
           DesktopBSD        1 919 hosts
           NetBSD               86 hosts
           MirBSD               21 hosts
           OpenBSD              55 hosts
           DragonFly            26 hosts
           MidnightBSD          26 hosts
           GNU/kFreeBSD          2 hosts

We currently have hosts being reported in from 135 countries, with the top
10

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Glen Barber | 4 Nov 2008 00:49

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Re: BSDstats: New High Water Mark: 25 000+ Hosts Reporting In

On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 6:12 PM, Don Witt <witt <at> cylogistics.com> wrote:
> This is very cool.  What is up with NetBSD and OpenBSD.  Are these numbers
> accurate?

As far as I know, these numbers can only be accurate if the
administrator enables (installs?) stats reporting.

You can add 1 to FreeBSD, because I don't allow stats reporting.  :)

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Kevin Wilcox | 4 Nov 2008 00:53

Re: BSDstats: New High Water Mark: 25 000+ Hosts Reporting In

2008/11/3 Don Witt <witt <at> cylogistics.com>:

> This is very cool.  What is up with NetBSD and OpenBSD.  Are these numbers
> accurate?

These numbers are probably quite accurate for the application - I
would imagine their extremely low count is due to the respective
administrators not reporting with bsdstats.

My questions would be a) is this available on Ports on OpenBSD and b)
is their any encouragement in the respective communities to utilise
such a tool?

kmw

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Murray Stokely | 4 Nov 2008 01:01

Re: BSDstats: New High Water Mark: 25 000+ Hosts Reporting In

[BCCed others]

On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Don Witt <witt <at> cylogistics.com> wrote:
> This is very cool.  What is up with NetBSD and OpenBSD.  Are these numbers
> accurate?

These numbers represent the number of people that have installed a
program to report usage, and are almost completely uncorrelated with
actual usage rates.  There needs to be a big warning at the top of
these very misleading reports.  Also, the massive spam to many
different lists is not ideal.  Any guess at actual "usage" numbers
would be many orders of magnitude larger, and PC-BSD would be a
rounding error to other BSDs used in large hosting environments
(nothing against the great work being done by PC-BSD, just a fact
based on desktop vs server focus).

I continue to believe that sending out these numbers which massively
undercount all operating systems is very counter-productive, but I've
said that before.

If you want to get better numbers you could try to survey all web
servers on the internet, identify the host operating systems by server
responses, tcp/ip timing characteristics, or other heuristics.  You
could alternatively mine google analytics  / webserver log data for
large websites if you want client numbers, or countless other data
sources that would give you far more data than this self reporting
mechanism, and with a much better sample than the very biased
mechanism used for these numbers.

                - Murray

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Jason Dixon | 4 Nov 2008 01:13

Re: BSDstats: New High Water Mark: 25 000+ Hosts Reporting In

On Mon, Nov 03, 2008 at 06:53:26PM -0500, Kevin Wilcox wrote:
> 2008/11/3 Don Witt <witt <at> cylogistics.com>:
> 
> > This is very cool.  What is up with NetBSD and OpenBSD.  Are these numbers
> > accurate?
> 
> These numbers are probably quite accurate for the application - I
> would imagine their extremely low count is due to the respective
> administrators not reporting with bsdstats.
> 
> My questions would be a) is this available on Ports on OpenBSD and b)
> is their any encouragement in the respective communities to utilise
> such a tool?

There is none available and it's highly unlikely there ever will be.
Nobody in the official OpenBSD team cares about World Domination (TM),
and if they did, they would use something objective that actually
reflects real world usage.

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Jeremy C. Reed | 4 Nov 2008 01:54

RE: BSDstats: New High Water Mark: 25 000+ Hosts Reporting In

> This is very cool.  What is up with NetBSD and OpenBSD.  Are these numbers
> accurate?

I stripped most of the lists.

As for NetBSD: no pkgsrc package exists in official pkgsrc. And nothing 
enabled or easily configured in initial install.

Brian A. Seklecki | 4 Nov 2008 02:03

MeetBSD Reminder


All:

MeetBSD is two weeks out.  At present, only myself and two others from 
#NetBSD  <at>  Efnet are confirmed.

Will that be the extent of NetBSD representation or is anyone planning to 
attend?

l8*
 	-lava (Brian A. Seklecki - Pittsburgh, PA, USA)
 	       http://www.spiritual-machines.org/

Thorsten Glaser | 4 Nov 2008 02:01

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Re: BSDstats: New High Water Mark: 25 000+ Hosts Reporting In

Kevin Wilcox dixit:

>My questions would be a) is this available on Ports on OpenBSD and b)
>is their any encouragement in the respective communities to utilise
>such a tool?

Certain other BSDs did put that script (or rather, a sanitised variant
of it) in the base installation, available for disabling at install
time, but seeing that the website has been down for ages some time ago,
and technical problems are solved after long delays if at all, it was
removed again… the BSDstats project seems to focus exclusively on FreeBSD
anyway.

//mirabilos
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