Bruce J.A. Nourish | 6 Jul 2003 07:58

Thanks, everyone

Hey everyone,

I've been using netbsd for a few months now, and just wanted to say
thanks to everyone who has contributed for what a great job they've
done. If I had loads of money, I'd give you some of it; in the absence
of that, you'll just have to make do with this little email :-) 

I first heard of "UNIX" in 1998 when I was 15, when I accidentally stumbled
on an article in a British PC enthusiasts magazine that mentioned "Red
Hat Linux." One thing led to another, and I ended up with a the
Slackware Linux "A" series on a stack of ~15 disks -- my computer didn't
have a modem or NIC, and I had no CD burner. I downloaded them overnight
on my parents' AOL UK account.

After several years of happiness using Linux, I tried FreeBSD a few
months ago. I had become rather dissolusioned with the "Linux
community." So much seems to be motivated by "Conquering the Desktop,"
"Defeating Microsoft," passing laws mandating open source in government, and
other irrelevent or negative goals. 

Of course, this is not an entirely new thing: the GNU people have always 
been vagely anti-corporate, and the slashdot crowd are only unusually 
pathetic advocates of a position I'm rather skeptical of on a personal 
level. However, the GNU people have several million lines of code to
their credit -- something that can't be laughed at.

I liked FreeBSD, but there were several irritations: most of them
fixable, but some rather deeper. In particular, I didn't like how
"ports" were installed into /usr/local. Much of my hardware either
didn't work or required undocumented kernel options to work.
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Nathan Langford | 9 Jul 2003 22:10
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ocaml website: netbsd copycat

Hi,

I may not be first to notice this: www.ocaml.org is ridiculously
similar to www.netbsd.org.  This seems somehow "wrong" to me;
though html source says "Style inspired by the NetBSD Project",
I'd classify that as plagiarized design!  Unless there's some
special relationship between NetBSD & OCaml I'm not aware of...

-Nathan

Matthew Prazak | 9 Jul 2003 22:29

RE: ocaml website: netbsd copycat


Is the design of the NetBSD website a trademark of the NetBSD project?
Is it worth defending, including expending the resources necessary to
do so?

Perhaps the OCaml site should be viewed as an affirmation rather than
as plagarism.

Also, I view the beauty of the BSD-style licensing scheme being that
it isn't as necessary to keep a lawyer around to go after licensing
violations.  Would it be a good idea to license the NetBSD website
under the BSD license (I noticed the "All rights reserved." line in
the netbsd.org source)?  The "Inspired by..." phrase at ocaml.org is
pretty close to fufilling the BSD license terms.

Matt

Nathan Langford writes:
 > Hi,
 > 
 > I may not be first to notice this: www.ocaml.org is ridiculously
 > similar to www.netbsd.org.  This seems somehow "wrong" to me;
 > though html source says "Style inspired by the NetBSD Project",
 > I'd classify that as plagiarized design!  Unless there's some
 > special relationship between NetBSD & OCaml I'm not aware of...
 > 
 > -Nathan
 > 

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Aymeric Vincent | 9 Jul 2003 22:32
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Re: ocaml website: netbsd copycat

Nathan Langford <njl <at> sdf.lonestar.org> writes:

> I may not be first to notice this: www.ocaml.org is ridiculously
> similar to www.netbsd.org.  This seems somehow "wrong" to me;
> though html source says "Style inspired by the NetBSD Project",
> I'd classify that as plagiarized design!  Unless there's some
> special relationship between NetBSD & OCaml I'm not aware of...

Heh, as long as it's a site like OCaML's one,  I don't object to
people imagining relationships between both projects...

This is the sign that from kernel to web site design, we just rock,
and some people take advantage of that. That's rather neat! ;-)

Are you suggesting that we should protect the website design of
NetBSD.org with a tougher license than the one we use for the hundreds
of megabytes of C code we provide? :-)

 Aymeric

Emre Yildirim | 9 Jul 2003 23:01
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Re: ocaml website: netbsd copycat

Once upon a time Nathan Langford said:
> I may not be first to notice this: www.ocaml.org is ridiculously
> similar to www.netbsd.org.  This seems somehow "wrong" to me;
> though html source says "Style inspired by the NetBSD Project",
> I'd classify that as plagiarized design!  Unless there's some
> special relationship between NetBSD & OCaml I'm not aware of...

At least they refer back to the NetBSD project:

<!-- Copyright (c) 2001 Julian Assange, ALL RIGHTS RESERVED.
Style inspired by the NetBSD Project, see http://www.netbsd.org/ -->

I see that as a way of promoting NetBSD's website, rather than plagiarizing it :)

Valeriy E. Ushakov | 9 Jul 2003 23:43
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Emre Yildirim <ey <at> ieee.org> wrote:

> At least they refer back to the NetBSD project:
> 
> <!-- Copyright (c) 2001 Julian Assange, ALL RIGHTS RESERVED.
> Style inspired by the NetBSD Project, see http://www.netbsd.org/ -->

And also note that Julian Assange is a NetBSD developer (proff <at> netbsd).

SY, Uwe
--

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Nathan Langford | 10 Jul 2003 02:51
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Re: ocaml website: netbsd copycat

On Wed, 9 Jul 2003, Emre Yildirim wrote:

> At least they refer back to the NetBSD project:
>
> <!-- Copyright (c) 2001 Julian Assange, ALL RIGHTS RESERVED.
> Style inspired by the NetBSD Project, see http://www.netbsd.org/ -->
>
> I see that as a way of promoting NetBSD's website, rather than
> plagiarizing it :)

I might agree if there was at least a link to the NetBSD project.
I don't see a websurfer saying: hmm, nice website design.  I wonder
if it's borrowed from somewhere; let me read the comments in the
source and see if they credit anyone.  Ooh - the NetBSD project!
I wonder what that is...

-Nathan

Nathan Langford | 10 Jul 2003 02:58
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> And also note that Julian Assange is a NetBSD developer (proff <at> netbsd).

Ah - so there is a secret link.

-Nathan

Lennart Augustsson | 10 Jul 2003 10:45
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Re: ocaml website: netbsd copycat

I see it as flattery. :-)

    -- Lennart

Nathan Langford wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I may not be first to notice this: www.ocaml.org is ridiculously
>similar to www.netbsd.org.  This seems somehow "wrong" to me;
>though html source says "Style inspired by the NetBSD Project",
>I'd classify that as plagiarized design!  Unless there's some
>special relationship between NetBSD & OCaml I'm not aware of...
>
>-Nathan
>
>  
>

DaN | 10 Jul 2003 15:00

BSD Projects at LinuxTag

hello

NetBSD Project is present at the LinuxTag 2003 in Karlsruhe.
LinuxTag take place from 10.07.2003 to 13.07.2003.

We have installed two Webcams at the Booth which can be viewed under
http://rfhs8012.fh-regensburg.de/~dan/bsdwebcam.html

have phun 
DaNiel Ettle


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