2 Oct 2002 23:35
4 Oct 2002 13:17
Re: who is working on l4/hurd?
Grant Bowman <grantbow <at> grantbow.com>
2002-10-04 11:17:23 GMT
2002-10-04 11:17:23 GMT
* Graham Wilson <bob <at> decoy.wox.org> [021003 23:40]: > who is currently working on l4/hurd? i looked on the l4-hurd page at > gnu's hurd site, but did not see anything. Try this one. http://hurd.gnufans.org/twiki/bin/view/Hurd/OskitL4 -- -- -- Grant Bowman <grantbow <at> grantbow.com>
4 Oct 2002 13:42
TWiki.Hurd location
Ognyan Kulev <ogi <at> fmi.uni-sofia.bg>
2002-10-04 11:42:40 GMT
2002-10-04 11:42:40 GMT
Grant Bowman wrote: > http://hurd.gnufans.org/twiki/bin/view/Hurd/OskitL4 That's an URL for TWiki.Hurd that I likeRegards -- -- Ognyan Kulev <ogi <at> fmi.uni-sofia.bg>, "\"Programmer\""
8 Oct 2002 23:03
Licensing Issues
Tom Hart <hartte13 <at> BrandonU.CA>
2002-10-08 21:03:50 GMT
2002-10-08 21:03:50 GMT
I don't understand what licensing issues must be resolved before porting the Hurd to L4. The Hurd on L4 page (http://www.nongnu.org/l4hurd/) states that the current target is the Hazelnut implementation of L4, while the link to L4ka.org (http://www.l4ka.org/projects/hazelnut/) states that Hazelnut is distributed under the GNU GPL. I assume that we want to distribute the Hurd (and GNU L4?) under the GPL, so... what's the problem? -- Tom Hart hartte13 <at> brandonu.ca
8 Oct 2002 23:26
Re: Licensing Issues
Neal H. Walfield <neal <at> cs.uml.edu>
2002-10-08 21:26:06 GMT
2002-10-08 21:26:06 GMT
> The Hurd on L4 page (http://www.nongnu.org/l4hurd/) states that the > current target is the Hazelnut implementation of L4, while the link to > L4ka.org (http://www.l4ka.org/projects/hazelnut/) states that Hazelnut > is distributed under the GNU GPL. We do not want to use hazelnut. Pistachio has a bit more promise. That page is out of date and never reflected any of my work. > I assume that we want to distribute the Hurd (and GNU L4?) under the > GPL, so... what's the problem? The problem is that we need to sign some type of NDA to use Pistachio before there is a public release.
9 Oct 2002 10:14
Re: Licensing Issues
Ludovic Courtès <ludovic.courtes <at> utbm.fr>
2002-10-09 08:14:05 GMT
2002-10-09 08:14:05 GMT
On Tue, Oct 08, 2002 at 05:26:06PM -0400, Neal H. Walfield wrote: > We do not want to use hazelnut. Pistachio has a bit more promise. > > That page is out of date and never reflected any of my work. What about the code you've been working on? There is apparently a CVS repository but it's actually empty. > The problem is that we need to sign some type of NDA to use Pistachio > before there is a public release. It's a timed NDA, right? When does it end? Thanks, Ludovic.
9 Oct 2002 18:48
Re: Licensing Issues
Tom Hart <hartte13 <at> BrandonU.CA>
2002-10-09 16:48:01 GMT
2002-10-09 16:48:01 GMT
Ludovic Courtès wrote: >>The problem is that we need to sign some type of NDA to use Pistachio >>before there is a public release. >> >> > >It's a timed NDA, right? When does it end? > > > I assume the problem is more that NDA's go against the nature of Free Software - specifically, the "open source" aspect. The GNU project is ideological in its mandate, and if Hurd developers started signing NDA's, we'd probably never hear the end of it. -- -- Tom Hart hartte13 <at> brandonu.ca
9 Oct 2002 21:04
Re: Licensing Issues
Niels Möller <nisse <at> lysator.liu.se>
2002-10-09 19:04:53 GMT
2002-10-09 19:04:53 GMT
neal <at> cs.uml.edu (Neal H. Walfield) wrote: > >>The problem is that we need to sign some type of NDA to use Pistachio > >>before there is a public release. Do they ask for an NDA just to be able to publish code that uses the (preliminary?) external interface to pistachio? Is that interface much different to that which is described in the draft L4 spec that was announced here a while ago? Tom Hart <hartte13 <at> BrandonU.CA> writes: > I assume the problem is more that NDA's go against the nature of Free > Software - specifically, If you have ever heard rms describe the roots of the GNU project, you'll know that he thinks that NDA:s (on technical information) are evil. And I guess many of the GNU folks feel the same. Well, I'm really sorry for anybody involved if they feel they need to sign any NDA:s. For outsiders, it looks like Neal's work is locked up until the time Pistachio is officially released, whenever that happens. I hope that Neal will be able to publish his code soon, even if nobody outside the pistachio team will be able to run it for some time. Regards, /Niels(Continue reading)
10 Oct 2002 11:55
differences between L4 and Mach
Benjamin Hofstetter <Benjamin.Hofstetter <at> freesurf.ch>
2002-10-10 09:55:26 GMT
2002-10-10 09:55:26 GMT
hi, on http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/l4-hurd.html#TOCstatus is a link to the document "OKUJI Yoshinori has compiled the differences between L4 and Mach" but the link to this document is death (http://duff.kuicr.kyoto-u.ac.jp/~okuji/l4-hurd.html). is this document still available somwehre? cheers,
10 Oct 2002 14:36
Re: Licensing Issues
Joshua LeVasseur <jtl <at> ira.uka.de>
2002-10-10 12:36:48 GMT
2002-10-10 12:36:48 GMT
On Wednesday, Oct 9, 2002, at 21:04 Europe/Berlin, Niels Möller wrote: > Do they ask for an NDA just to be able to publish code that uses the > (preliminary?) external interface to pistachio? Is that interface much > different to that which is described in the draft L4 spec that was > announced here a while ago? The situation warrants some clarification. The fact that uKa's code is unpublished has no bearing on the status of Neal's code, nor on any code derived from the L4 spec. Neal's code by definition is Neal's code. As you mentioned, the spec is publicly available, at http://www.l4ka.org/documentation/files/l4-x2.pdf It is very similar to the spec on which Neal based his work. -jtl
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