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toredhiddenuser | 10 Apr 2012 16:08

[Fwd: ] The inquiry about EFF

---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
Subject:
From:    toredhiddenuser <at> tormail.net
Date:    Tue, April 10, 2012 1:53 pm
To:      info <at> eff.org
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To Sir/Madam,
Why are most/all software of EFF licensed under the GPL?
EFF is not FSF, right? Excuse, but, are you promoting information/speech
freedom or Stallmanism?
Is EFF inclined towards copyleft parties or is it neutral?
Excuse again, but do you think people who use BSD licenses are idiots?
Google, FreeBSD, etc.
If you change the license of software to BSD-like one (or MPL-like, at
least) or at least all Chrome plugins, BSD community will be much happy.

Thank you

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Eitan Adler | 10 Apr 2012 21:58
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Re: [Fwd: ] The inquiry about EFF

On 10 April 2012 10:08,  <toredhiddenuser <at> tormail.net> wrote:
> ---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
> Subject:
> From:    toredhiddenuser <at> tormail.net
> Date:    Tue, April 10, 2012 1:53 pm
> To:      info <at> eff.org
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> To Sir/Madam,
> Why are most/all software of EFF licensed under the GPL?
> EFF is not FSF, right? Excuse, but, are you promoting information/speech
> freedom or Stallmanism?
> Is EFF inclined towards copyleft parties or is it neutral?
> Excuse again, but do you think people who use BSD licenses are idiots?
> Google, FreeBSD, etc.
> If you change the license of software to BSD-like one (or MPL-like, at
> least) or at least all Chrome plugins, BSD community will be much happy.
>
> Thank you

I think the idea of inquiring about the EFF licences to be a good one
but I hardly think this email is well written. Are you a native
speaker of English? The tone of the email sounds accusatory and
rant-like.

Perhaps something like

Why are most/all software of EFF licensed under the GPL? The GPL's
restrictions preclude a large number of users from freely using the
software. For example the FreeBSD Project is actively phasing out the
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Julian H. Stacey | 11 Apr 2012 11:41
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Re: [Fwd: ] The inquiry about EFF

Hi,

> I think the idea of inquiring about the EFF licences to be a good one
> but I hardly think this email is well written. Are you a native
> speaker of English? 

toredhiddenuser <at>  seem a troll. I dropped its CC. 
You'r right, it's not native English.

Cheers,
Julian
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toredhiddenuser | 11 Apr 2012 07:40

BSD license

Hello everyone,
There are many people who use GPL for their projects unaware of the terms
of license. We can observe that most "new technologies" and protocols are
licensed under BSD-license.
As you are already subscribed to the mailing list, you probably have much
education of licenses and may be aware of dreadful deeds of GNU * License.

The main problem is "Viral" copyleft nature. Anything that even LINKS to
the GPL'd files SHOULD BE under GPL, as you may probably know.
LGPL is viral too. MPL, on the other hand, didn't catch much attention,
but if you imply the protection of source code by means of copyleft, hope
it's the best way around: Less restrictions, but provides copyleft nature.

Apparently, new developers who are unaware of copyrights, release their
source into GPL.
The new developer communities have an inclined trend towards GPL like:
"The projects we see are GPL'd. Why don't we use that license?"
Some companies, (probably the worst) use the GPL to force an "addiction"
and to force a need of dual-licensing. ****** and *** ************
(removed because of problem) use this license for such purpose. Doesn't it
seem like some sort of Blackmail?

BSD people should start a project to request some near-mature projects to
beta-projects to be licensed under BSD/MIT style license, or, at least MPL
(better than GPL, anyhow).
(Is the name BSDActivists and BSDActivism) nice?

There have been many proposals by some people, you can observe:
These proposals were collected (probably) anonymously, for privacy of the
doers. These attracted attention. Summary:
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Jason Hellenthal | 11 Apr 2012 17:48

Re: BSD license


Set a meeting place, make sure there are lots of flags on the walls (I
prefer red, white & blue) and also make sure that during all the ranting
and chanting going on that you unveil the newest, leetist golden
bikeshed.

http://isteve.blogspot.com/2010/01/save-ants.html

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 05:40:24AM -0000, toredhiddenuser <at> tormail.net wrote:
> Hello everyone,
> There are many people who use GPL for their projects unaware of the terms
> of license. We can observe that most "new technologies" and protocols are
> licensed under BSD-license.
> As you are already subscribed to the mailing list, you probably have much
> education of licenses and may be aware of dreadful deeds of GNU * License.
> 
> The main problem is "Viral" copyleft nature. Anything that even LINKS to
> the GPL'd files SHOULD BE under GPL, as you may probably know.
> LGPL is viral too. MPL, on the other hand, didn't catch much attention,
> but if you imply the protection of source code by means of copyleft, hope
> it's the best way around: Less restrictions, but provides copyleft nature.
> 
> Apparently, new developers who are unaware of copyrights, release their
> source into GPL.
> The new developer communities have an inclined trend towards GPL like:
> "The projects we see are GPL'd. Why don't we use that license?"
> Some companies, (probably the worst) use the GPL to force an "addiction"
> and to force a need of dual-licensing. ****** and *** ************
> (removed because of problem) use this license for such purpose. Doesn't it
> seem like some sort of Blackmail?
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Rodrigo OSORIO | 11 Apr 2012 18:13

Re: BSD license

Hi,

On 11/04/12 11:48 -0400, Jason Hellenthal wrote:
> 
> Set a meeting place, make sure there are lots of flags on the walls (I
> prefer red, white & blue) and also make sure that during all the ranting
> and chanting going on that you unveil the newest, leetist golden
> bikeshed.
> 
> http://isteve.blogspot.com/2010/01/save-ants.html

Excellent troll feeding ! But it's going nowhere.

toredhiddenuser,
A too long mail to just say  : "We must do BSD licence advocacy" 
That's obvious we need pull developers to the BSD friendly side,
an try to convince big players (big projects) could be a good way.

regards
- Rodrigo

> 
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 05:40:24AM -0000, toredhiddenuser <at> tormail.net wrote:
> > Hello everyone,
> > There are many people who use GPL for their projects unaware of the terms
> > of license. We can observe that most "new technologies" and protocols are
> > licensed under BSD-license.
> > As you are already subscribed to the mailing list, you probably have much
> > education of licenses and may be aware of dreadful deeds of GNU * License.
> >
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toredhiddenuser | 12 Apr 2012 08:32

Re: BSD license

> Hi,
>
>
> On 11/04/12 11:48 -0400, Jason Hellenthal wrote:
>>
>> Set a meeting place, make sure there are lots of flags on the walls (I
>> prefer red, white & blue) and also make sure that during all the ranting
>> and chanting going on that you unveil the newest, leetist golden
>> bikeshed.
>>
>> http://isteve.blogspot.com/2010/01/save-ants.html
>
>
> Excellent troll feeding ! But it's going nowhere.
>
> toredhiddenuser,
> A too long mail to just say  : "We must do BSD licence advocacy"
> That's obvious we need pull developers to the BSD friendly side,
> an try to convince big players (big projects) could be a good way.
>
> regards
> - Rodrigo
>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 05:40:24AM -0000, toredhiddenuser <at> tormail.net
>> wrote:
>> > Hello everyone,
>> > There are many people who use GPL for their projects unaware of the
>> terms
>> > of license. We can observe that most "new technologies" and protocols
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Vitaly Magerya | 27 Apr 2012 18:41
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Re: Ways to promote FreeBSD?

Andy Young <ayoung <at> mosaicarchive.com> wrote:
> After using Linux for almost 15 years, I only recently started using
> FreeBSD. I own an internet startup and was looking for a solution for
> implementing large-scale storage servers. In my research I found ZFS and
> subsequently found FreeBSD. As I learned more about it, I was incredibly
> impressed. There are so many elements of FreeBSD that I love,

Can you name a few?

> I've
> completely ditched Linux and am deploying FreeBSD exclusively on my
> company's server infrastructure.

It would be interesting to read about your infrastructure, the reasons
why you found FreeBSD to be a better fit than what you used before,
challenges during deployment and migration, any resulting
performance/maintenance improvements, etc.

A short article or a blog post with the above maybe?

> I can't help wonder why I hadn't heard all
> about it before. Sure, I knew the name, but I had never seen it in use,
> either in college or in over ten years as a software developer since then.
> In contrast Linux is everywhere! Even though there are so many applications
> where FreeBSD seems to be a better or at least more mature solution.
>
> What are the current efforts to promote and educate people on FreeBSD? I'd
> love to help spread the word.

(Adding freebsd-advocacy <at>  to CC).
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Frank Mitchell | 27 Apr 2012 17:45
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BSD licensing


While there's a debate about licenses, below is my own Wildebeest License, 
which I invented to cover my Spiegel CD/DVD Writing Utility. You can still 
find my original email about Spiegel on the Internet, with all the Source 
Code. If anybody wants to suggest any modification for the Wildebeest License, 
feedback is welcome. Yours truly: Frank Mitchell

================================================================

	WILDEBEEST LICENSE

PREAMBLE: The Licenses for most Software are designed to repudiate any legal
liability if it doesn't work. By contrast, the Wildebeest License tries to
ensure that it will work, and that you know about any problems beforehand.
No permission is needed to modify your Software to serve its intended
purpose, because United States and European Union Law both allow Lawful
Users to do this anyway. So when this License speaks of Free Software, we
mean that you don't need to pay money for it, not that you can modify it
until it stops working and nobody understands why. Open Source Users will be
aware of such problems when using Free Software, and check for reliability
before depending on it. So instead of including a Warranty Disclaimer which
could be invalid, the Wildebeest License seeks to ensure that reliability
issues are documented. Note that Software is not patentable under European
Law, though it can be covered by a patent for another invention which is.
Also, Multiple Licensing is possible, so you can contact the Original Author
if you believe the terms of the Wildebeest License need to be altered. 

1: This version of the Wildebeest License is intended to be governed by the
Legal System of England, which entitles Lawful Users to modify Software if
necessary for their own use. You can correct it or adapt it to serve its
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