walt | 1 Dec 01:44 2004
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Re: /boot/loader question


On Tue, 30 Nov 2004, Simon 'corecode' Schubert wrote:

> On Tuesday, 30. November 2004 22:40, walt wrote:
> > My question:  is there any inherent limitation in /boot/loader
> > which would prevent loading the kernel from a logical partition?

> yes: loader doesn't contain the needed logic to find and use a non-primary
> slice. can you try manually setting the boot device in loader to the right
> device? if that doesn't work, somebody needs to hack loader to support it (or
> not)

Heh, my guess would be "or not" ;o)  When I type "show" at the loader
prompt I see curdev and loaddev, which are both pointed at the correct
logical/extended partition, but I don't see bootdev.  (Picky, picky!)

This is a very old topic in the *BSD newsgroups.  The OpenBSD guys are
openly hostile about the subject of installing to extended partitions
but they refuse to admit their real objections (which are pretty clear,
IMHO).

The facts (as I see them) are these:  no serious developer wants to
admit that his OS (which is superior in every way to any other OS)
does not rate one of the four PRIMARY partitions!  (Delete Windows,
for f*ks sake!)

I sympathize with this attitude, yes.  But I just bought another
hard drive for the sake of installing a FIFTH primary partition,
just to install a SECOND install of DFly!  Yes, I love DFly enough
to buy another hard drive ;o)
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Joerg Sonnenberger | 1 Dec 01:51 2004
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Re: /boot/loader question

On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 04:44:27PM -0800, walt wrote:
> I sympathize with this attitude, yes.  But I just bought another
> hard drive for the sake of installing a FIFTH primary partition,
> just to install a SECOND install of DFly!  Yes, I love DFly enough
> to buy another hard drive ;o)

You can install two DragonFlies and for the matter, multiple OpenBSDs
and NetBSDs and FreeBSDs, into one slice of each type. Only problem
is telling the loader to get the right kernel and for the kernel to use
the right rootfs.

Joerg

walt | 1 Dec 02:21 2004
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Re: /boot/loader question


On Wed, 1 Dec 2004, Joerg Sonnenberger wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 04:44:27PM -0800, walt wrote:
> > I sympathize with this attitude, yes.  But I just bought another
> > hard drive for the sake of installing a FIFTH primary partition,
> > just to install a SECOND install of DFly!  Yes, I love DFly enough
> > to buy another hard drive ;o)

> You can install two DragonFlies and for the matter, multiple OpenBSDs
> and NetBSDs and FreeBSDs, into one slice of each type...

Wait -- just a minute!  I don't know what you mean by "of each type"!

As far as I know, each BSD demands a primary partition of its own.
Am I wrong?

Can you give me an example (fit for a brain-dead-ten-year-old) of
how to install multiple OpenBSD's into one slice?  Please?

Thanks!

sam | 1 Dec 05:39 2004

bsdinstaller for FreeBSD 5.3

Hi list,

I m wondering whether I can use bsdinstaller in FreeBSD 5.3?

Thanks
sam

Scott Ullrich | 1 Dec 05:43 2004

Re: bsdinstaller for FreeBSD 5.3

Yes you can in fact.

Check out the FreeSBIE project at http://www.freesbie.org.   The latest 
version of cvs has a fully working bsd installer integrated into the 
build process.

Cheers!

Scott

sam wrote:
> Hi list,
> 
> I m wondering whether I can use bsdinstaller in FreeBSD 5.3?
> 
> Thanks
> sam

Yury Tarasievich | 1 Dec 13:50 2004
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Re: /boot/loader question

walt wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 30 Nov 2004, Simon 'corecode' Schubert wrote:
> 
> 
>>On Tuesday, 30. November 2004 22:40, walt wrote:
>>
>>>My question:  is there any inherent limitation in /boot/loader
>>>which would prevent loading the kernel from a logical partition?
> 
> 
>>yes: loader doesn't contain the needed logic to find and use a non-primary
>>slice. can you try manually setting the boot device in loader to the right
>>device? if that doesn't work, somebody needs to hack loader to support it (or
>>not)
> 
> 
> Heh, my guess would be "or not" ;o)  When I type "show" at the loader
> prompt I see curdev and loaddev, which are both pointed at the correct
> logical/extended partition, but I don't see bootdev.  (Picky, picky!)
> 
> This is a very old topic in the *BSD newsgroups.  The OpenBSD guys are
> openly hostile about the subject of installing to extended partitions
> but they refuse to admit their real objections (which are pretty clear,
> IMHO).
> 
> The facts (as I see them) are these:  no serious developer wants to
> admit that his OS (which is superior in every way to any other OS)
> does not rate one of the four PRIMARY partitions!  (Delete Windows,
> for f*ks sake!)
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esmith | 1 Dec 18:22 2004
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Re: IBM "Cell" processor

Garance A Drosihn wrote:
> February".  I don't think computers will start shipping (not in
> any volume) by then.  PS3's, perhaps, but not general-purpose
> computers.

After these remarkable claims of perfomance it's probably best to take a "wait and 
see" approach but, the fact that workstations do exist right now ( the URL you posted 
speculated that developers already have cell workstations ) makes this a curiosity, 
because some of the hardware features do seem to match well with some of the DF goals.

coordinated press releases from IBM and Sony
http://www-03.ibm.com/chips/news/2004/1129_cell2.html
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/200411/04-1129BE

ARMONK, NY and TOKYO, November 29, 2004
IBM, Sony Corporation (Sony) and Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. (SCEI) announced 
today that they have powered-on the first Cell* processor-based workstation.
The prototype workstation is the first computing application planned for the 
highly-anticipated Cell processor.
The companies expect that a one rack Cell processor-based workstation will reach a 
performance of 16 teraflops or trillions of floating point calculations per second.
..

Matthew Dillon | 1 Dec 20:11 2004

Re: /boot/loader question


:On Tuesday, 30. November 2004 22:40, walt wrote:
:> My question:  is there any inherent limitation in /boot/loader
:> which would prevent loading the kernel from a logical partition?
:
:yes: loader doesn't contain the needed logic to find and use a non-primary=
:=20
:slice. can you try manually setting the boot device in loader to the right=
:=20
:device? if that doesn't work, somebody needs to hack loader to support it (=
:or=20
:not)
:
:cheers
:  simon

    /boot/loader itself does not have any size limitations so the support
    can be added if someone would like to make a project out of it.  It's
    basically adding an ability to recurse through slices marked as extended
    partitions, yah?

					-Matt
					Matthew Dillon 
					<dillon <at> backplane.com>

Matthew Dillon | 1 Dec 20:38 2004

Re: Patch #6 (was Re: Patch #5)


:
:
:So is the ATA timeout issue considered closed or not?  There are still some
:posts from today that it still might be hanging around.
:
:jm

    I think your problem was primarily the clock going crazy issue
    and not so much ATA, so your issue ought to be closed.  But
    the ATA patch is not quite finished yet...  YONETANI Tomokazu
    found some issues that he is testing a fix for now.

					-Matt
					Matthew Dillon 
					<dillon <at> backplane.com>

Daimao | 1 Dec 21:27 2004
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Re: IBM "Cell" processor

Sounds like hype to sell a PS3 to me, but I'm an xbox fan so what do I
know *puts on his witchdoctor gear and hugs his xbox*.  But seriously,
it sounds like fluff to me >_<

(Sorry about that esmith, gmail doesn't know to send it to the
mailinglist... yet).


Gmane