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Cary Bass | 24 Mar 2009 23:20
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Divergent Wiktionary logos

Hi all,

The two largest Wiktionary projects (English and French) have two
completely different logos.  [1], [2]

The reason for this, from what I understand, is that a vote was taken
place about the logo fr.wiktionary currently has, on meta [3]; which
the English Wiktionary community chose not to be bound by, because
they, as a community, disagreed with the outcome.

I understand that there are complaints that new logo has elements too
closely resembling Scrabble pieces, or are otherwise too cartooned to
some.  The "new" logo does maintain some visual identity as a project
logo, while the "classic" logo isn't really a logo at all, and
diverges wildly from project to project.  Of the top ten Wiktionary
projects, four of them use the new version, while 6 of them use some
variation of the classic version:

fr: new
en: classic
tr: new
vi: new
ru: classic (a variation which little resembles the original)
io: classic (English version)
el: new
zh: classic (divergent variation)
pl: classic (divergent variation)
fi: classic (English version)

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Анатолій Гончаров | 24 Mar 2009 23:30
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Re: Divergent Wiktionary logos

I think that "new" logo is easier for creating (and translating). That's why
I chose "new" variant of logo for uk.wiktionary logo. And community
supported me.

2009/3/25 Cary Bass <cary <at> wikimedia.org>

> Hi all,
>
> The two largest Wiktionary projects (English and French) have two
> completely different logos.  [1], [2]
>
> The reason for this, from what I understand, is that a vote was taken
> place about the logo fr.wiktionary currently has, on meta [3]; which
> the English Wiktionary community chose not to be bound by, because
> they, as a community, disagreed with the outcome.
>
> I understand that there are complaints that new logo has elements too
> closely resembling Scrabble pieces, or are otherwise too cartooned to
> some.  The "new" logo does maintain some visual identity as a project
> logo, while the "classic" logo isn't really a logo at all, and
> diverges wildly from project to project.  Of the top ten Wiktionary
> projects, four of them use the new version, while 6 of them use some
> variation of the classic version:
>
> fr: new
> en: classic
> tr: new
> vi: new
> ru: classic (a variation which little resembles the original)
> io: classic (English version)
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Cary Bass | 24 Mar 2009 23:43
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Re: Divergent Wiktionary logos


We also have the issue of the favicon to consider.  At the moment,
it's identical to Wikipedia's, and will be, unless the logo gains wide
acceptance.

See [4]

Cary

[4] <https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16315>

Анатолій Гончаров wrote:
> I think that "new" logo is easier for creating (and translating).
> That's why I chose "new" variant of logo for uk.wiktionary logo.
> And community supported me.
>
> 2009/3/25 Cary Bass <cary <at> wikimedia.org>
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> The two largest Wiktionary projects (English and French) have two
>>  completely different logos.  [1], [2]
>>
>> The reason for this, from what I understand, is that a vote was
>> taken place about the logo fr.wiktionary currently has, on meta
>> [3]; which the English Wiktionary community chose not to be bound
>> by, because they, as a community, disagreed with the outcome.
>>
>> I understand that there are complaints that new logo has elements
>> too closely resembling Scrabble pieces, or are otherwise too
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Jay Walsh | 25 Mar 2009 01:04
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Re: Divergent Wiktionary logos

Hi all,

Just wanted to second Cary's note - we talked about it briefly today.   
A single brand identity for the project would be so much stronger, so  
I encourage discussion on the matter.  I completely appreciate the  
challenges and how things have evolved up to this point, but it would  
certainly be worth a deeper discussion and resolution.

Generally speaking we want to ensure all of the brand identities line  
up across languages.  I'm always impressed by the simple and elegant  
way the project marks get localized in other languages/scripts but  
still nicely translate with the visual style.

Best,

--

-- 
Jay Walsh
Head of Communications
WikimediaFoundation.org
+1 (415) 839 6885 x 609

On Mar 24, 2009, at 3:20 PM, Cary Bass wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> The two largest Wiktionary projects (English and French) have two
> completely different logos.  [1], [2]
>
> The reason for this, from what I understand, is that a vote was taken
> place about the logo fr.wiktionary currently has, on meta [3]; which
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Conrad Irwin | 25 Mar 2009 01:27

Re: Divergent Wiktionary logos

Hi,

I personally like the new logo, but from the discussion on en.wikt,
we/they have resisted it so long that I suspect it would seem to be
losing face to back down now. I believe a portion of the resistance is
due to a rumour that Hasbro have some kind of legal claim to a
scrabble tile, and so we might be infringing on that; if that rumour
could be publicly debunked that would help.

The favicon I regard as a non-issue and is not really relevant here.
All(?) Wikipedias use an, almost universally recognised, globe logo;
they should have a globe favicon. Wiktionary doesn't have a clearly
preferred logo, but the W is about the only feature common to both
(though on the tiles I think it is a true W as opposed to overlayed
Vs).

Conrad

2009/3/25 Jay Walsh <jwalsh@...>:
> Hi all,
>
> Just wanted to second Cary's note - we talked about it briefly today.
> A single brand identity for the project would be so much stronger, so
> I encourage discussion on the matter.  I completely appreciate the
> challenges and how things have evolved up to this point, but it would
> certainly be worth a deeper discussion and resolution.
>
> Generally speaking we want to ensure all of the brand identities line
> up across languages.  I'm always impressed by the simple and elegant
> way the project marks get localized in other languages/scripts but
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Elisabeth Anderl | 25 Mar 2009 01:28
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Re: [Foundation-l] Divergent Wiktionary logos

Hello all, this is a very old and often discussed issue,
the problems raised with the logo were not yet addressed (such as copyright
issues, which characters to use), and the new 'logo' is IMHO the most ugly
thing I have ever seen.

Btw.: from alexa.com:
Where people go on Wiktionary.org:

   - en.wiktionary.org - 48.6% <- old logo
   - de.wiktionary.org - 12.8% <- old logo
   - fr.wiktionary.org - 9.7% <- new logo
   - ru.wiktionary.org - 3.6% <- old logo
   - es.wiktionary.org - 3.1% <- old logo
   - ja.wiktionary.org - 2.9% <- old logo
   - pl.wiktionary.org - 2.4% <- old logo
   - pt.wiktionary.org - 2.3% <- old logo
   - it.wiktionary.org - 1.6% <- new logo
   - el.wiktionary.org - 1.5% <- new logo

Guess how many Wiktionarians apprently like the new logo...

Best regards, E.

2009/3/25 Jay Walsh <jwalsh@...>

> Hi all,
>
> Just wanted to second Cary's note - we talked about it briefly today.
> A single brand identity for the project would be so much stronger, so
> I encourage discussion on the matter.  I completely appreciate the
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Brion Vibber | 25 Mar 2009 14:22
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Tech updates: code updates going live to Wikimedia sites

After a few weeks of bug fixes, we've caught up with MediaWiki 
development code review and I'm pushing out an update to the live sites. 
This fixes a lot of little bugs, and hopefully doesn't cause introduce 
too many new ones. :)

* Change logs: http://ur1.ca/2rah (r47458 to r48811)

As usual in addition to lots of offline and individual testing among our 
staff and volunteer developers, we've done a shakedown on 
http://test.wikipedia.org/ -- and as usual we can fully expect a few 
more issues to have cropped up that weren't already found.

Don't be alarmed if you do find a problem; just let us know at 
http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/ or on the tech IRC channels 
(#wikimedia-tech on Freenode).

We should be resuming our weekly update schedule soon -- I won't be 
doing a mega-crosspost like this every week! -- and will continue to 
improve our pre-update staging and shakedown testing to keep disruption 
to a minimum and awesome improvements to a maximum.

I'd also like to announce that we've started a blog for Wikimedia tech 
activity & MediaWiki development, in part because I want to make sure 
community members can easily follow what we're working on and give 
feedback before we push things out:

* http://techblog.wikimedia.org/

I'd very much like to make sure that we've got regular contacts among 
the various project communities who can help coordinate with us on
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Yann Forget | 25 Mar 2009 15:59

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Elisabeth Anderl wrote:
> Hello all, this is a very old and often discussed issue,
> the problems raised with the logo were not yet addressed (such as copyright
> issues, which characters to use), and the new 'logo' is IMHO the most ugly
> thing I have ever seen.
> 
> Btw.: from alexa.com:
> Where people go on Wiktionary.org:
> 
>    - en.wiktionary.org - 48.6% <- old logo
>    - de.wiktionary.org - 12.8% <- old logo
>    - fr.wiktionary.org - 9.7% <- new logo
>    - ru.wiktionary.org - 3.6% <- old logo
>    - es.wiktionary.org - 3.1% <- old logo
>    - ja.wiktionary.org - 2.9% <- old logo
>    - pl.wiktionary.org - 2.4% <- old logo
>    - pt.wiktionary.org - 2.3% <- old logo
>    - it.wiktionary.org - 1.6% <- new logo
>    - el.wiktionary.org - 1.5% <- new logo
> 
> Guess how many Wiktionarians apprently like the new logo...

I didn't take part in the discussion and the vote, but this is a poor
attempt to justify the old logo. People do not look at a web site like
Wiktionary because of the logo.

> Best regards, E.

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Elisabeth Anderl | 25 Mar 2009 17:28
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You do get me wrong, I am not justifying the old logo, it is not a logo,
but the new logo is not accepted by many communities and there is a dispute
going on for long time now [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], and I do not recommend
to force all these communities with something ugly like that after all these
failed attempts to get them to accept it.
If there would be someone able to design a new one from the scratch,
something that looks more serious and not like a kindergarden sign, maybe
that might get more projectwide acception.

E.

[1]
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wiktionary/logo#Trademark_infringement
[2]
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wiktionary-l/2007-November/subject.html
[3]
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wiktionary-l/2007-February/subject.html
[4]
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wiktionary-l/2007-January/subject.html
[5]
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wiktionary-l/2006-September/subject.html

2009/3/25 Yann Forget <yann@...>

> Elisabeth Anderl wrote:
> > Hello all, this is a very old and often discussed issue,
> > the problems raised with the logo were not yet addressed (such as
> copyright
> > issues, which characters to use), and the new 'logo' is IMHO the most
> ugly
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Matthieu Barba | 25 Mar 2009 17:29
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Hi,

I didn't like the new logo (and the way it was chosen), but we installed it
anyway on fr.wiktionary because we wanted to have a unified logo. If all the
Wiktionaries don't use it, it is useless.

I'd like to vote for a new logo, but the process should be better prepared
than last time.

Note on the scrabble thing: personally it's not the copyright with Hasbro
that bothered me. I just think that the logo should identify the project
("hey, it's the Wiktionary!") without reference to something else ("hey,
it's that dictionary that uses scrabble tiles!").

Darkdadaah
from fr.wiktionary

2009/3/25 Yann Forget <yann <at> forget-me.net>

> Elisabeth Anderl wrote:
> > Hello all, this is a very old and often discussed issue,
> > the problems raised with the logo were not yet addressed (such as
> copyright
> > issues, which characters to use), and the new 'logo' is IMHO the most
> ugly
> > thing I have ever seen.
> >
> > Btw.: from alexa.com:
> > Where people go on Wiktionary.org:
> >
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