Heiko Evermann | 1 Jan 14:49 2006
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Re: A Christmas present on Boxing day

Hi Gerard,

> I am extremely happy that I can inform you on Boxing day that a tired
> Erik has produced the first tangible result of the Wikidata / Ultimate
> Wiktionary project. It shows that we want great content in many
> languages, that we want to include thesaurus information and that we
> are happy to include with gratitude content like the Gemet thesaurus.
First of all: Congratulations for the working prototype. I think that UW is a 
very important project and it is good to see that it is making progress.

> Our goal with Ultimate Wiktionary is to provide an even more complex
> application that will make this data collaboratively editable, to add
> dynamic user-based views, APIs, and crucial features such as
> inflections, etymologies, complex relations and attributes, and much
> more. This will be a huge challenge. Fortunately, more funding seems to
> be on the horizon, allowing us to put more developers on the job.
I have made some experiments and this led to some thoughts and questions. I 
hope that you do not mind.

I have tried http://www.epov.org/wd-gemet/index.php/flower and have seen two 
Entries: en and en-US. Both seem to have independent lists of translations, 
as en lists en-US as translation but en-US does not list en as translation. 
How will this be handled? What is your way to make sure that the definitions 
and translations remain consistent? In the case of flower there should be no 
distinction between en and en-US whatsoever. I have asked this before, but so 
far I have not received a response that really solved the matter. 

I have also had a look at the entries for "color" and "colour". The 
interesting thing here is that one (en) has a definition and one (en-US) 
doesn't. 
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GerardM | 1 Jan 18:15 2006
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Re: A Christmas present on Boxing day

Hoi,
For your information, this is an "as is" implementation of the GEMET
thesaurus. It does not reflect how things will be done in WiktionaryZ.
It demonstrates that we CAN host a thesaurus as GEMET. All the
problems associated with this data can be found in this
implementation.

On 1/1/06, Heiko Evermann <heiko.evermann <at> gmx.de> wrote:
> Hi Gerard,
>
> > I am extremely happy that I can inform you on Boxing day that a tired
> > Erik has produced the first tangible result of the Wikidata / Ultimate
> > Wiktionary project. It shows that we want great content in many
> > languages, that we want to include thesaurus information and that we
> > are happy to include with gratitude content like the Gemet thesaurus.
> First of all: Congratulations for the working prototype. I think that UW is a
> very important project and it is good to see that it is making progress.
>
Thanks

> > Our goal with Ultimate Wiktionary is to provide an even more complex
> > application that will make this data collaboratively editable, to add
> > dynamic user-based views, APIs, and crucial features such as
> > inflections, etymologies, complex relations and attributes, and much
> > more. This will be a huge challenge. Fortunately, more funding seems to
> > be on the horizon, allowing us to put more developers on the job.
> I have made some experiments and this led to some thoughts and questions. I
> hope that you do not mind.
>
> I have tried http://www.epov.org/wd-gemet/index.php/flower and have seen two
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Gerard Meijssen | 5 Jan 15:30 2006
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For your info

Hoi,
I have a blog http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.com/ that deals almost 
exclusively with the Ultimate Wiktionary project.

Today I was helped to add a "Site Feed" to my blog. This makes it more 
convenient to follow my blog.
Thanks,
    GerardM
Muke Tever | 5 Jan 16:55 2006
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Re: For your info

Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@...> wrote:
> Hoi,
> I have a blog http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.com/ that deals almost
> exclusively with the Ultimate Wiktionary project.
>
> Today I was helped to add a "Site Feed" to my blog. This makes it more
> convenient to follow my blog.

Actually it's been there for some time--I've been pulling that feed
since May.  :)

	*Muke!
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Brian | 6 Jan 05:30 2006
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New huge missing entries list: over 300,000 entries

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/User:Brian0918/Hotlist

I've created an "English Dictionary Hotlist" of over 300,000 entries as 
part of [[Wiktionary:Requested articles]]. Please read the guidelines 
before getting involved in the list. I have a lot of experience with 
this from the Wikipedia equivalent at 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Missing_encyclopedic_articles 
.

If you are worried about copyright violations, don't be. Problems of the 
exact same nature occurred on the English Wikipedia several months ago, 
and the opinions of both juriwiki and the foundation were that indexes 
of multiple encyclopedias, if mixed together, would not create a 
copyright violation. Unless you are a legal expert, please investigate 
the history of the other mixed lists (linked below) before coming to a 
different conclusion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_encyclopedia_topics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Missing_encyclopedic_articles/Hot

brian0918
Angela | 6 Jan 15:06 2006
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Re: New huge missing entries list: over 300, 000 entries

On 1/5/06, Brian <brian0918@...> wrote:
> If you are worried about copyright violations, don't be. Problems of the
> exact same nature occurred on the English Wikipedia several months ago,
> and the opinions of both juriwiki and the foundation were that indexes
> of multiple encyclopedias, if mixed together, would not create a
> copyright violation.

There was never any Foundation decision made about this. Individual
members of the Foundation might have expressed an opinion one way or
the other (and as far as I know, the members of the board are not in
agreement about whether this constitutes a copyright violation), but
please don't present it as a Foundation opinion. The Foundation does
not give legal advice.

Angela
Ray Saintonge | 7 Jan 07:06 2006
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Re: New huge missing entries list: over 300, 000 entries

Brian wrote:

> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/User:Brian0918/Hotlist
>
> I've created an "English Dictionary Hotlist" of over 300,000 entries 
> as part of [[Wiktionary:Requested articles]]. Please read the 
> guidelines before getting involved in the list. I have a lot of 
> experience with this from the Wikipedia equivalent at 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Missing_encyclopedic_articles 
> .

Why didn't you jusst merge it with [[Wiktionary:English index]] which 
serves the same purpose. I don't see the point of having two or more 
such lists.

Ec

Gmane