Hoi, On the Dutch wiktionary it has been proposed to change the template for adjective -adj- to -adjc-. The reason for this change is that adj is an ISO 639 code for a language. I am happy to change this template and the places where it is used on your wiktionary.. Please let me know if you have any problems with this.. Thanks, GerardM
On 11/2/05, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@...> wrote: > Hoi, > On the Dutch wiktionary it has been proposed to change the > template for adjective -(Continue reading)adj- to -adjc-. The reason for this change > is that adj is an ISO 639 code for a language. I am happy to > change this template and the places where it is used on your > wiktionary.. > > Please let me know if you have any problems with this.. This is just a suggestion. I think using prefixes similar to Hungarian notation would be a perfect idea for wiki template naming policies. If all languages were prefixed with lang_ or even l_ then you could have say pos_adj for "adjective" and l_adj for "new exotic language". You can also think of the prefix as a kind of namespace. Or perhaps use : instead of _ to make it seems ever more namespace- like. The downside is longer template names, the upsides are that it's easier to see what unfamiliar templates are for and easier to prevent name clashes. Andrew Dunbar (hippietrail) > Thanks, > GerardM > _______________________________________________ > Wiktionary-l mailing list > Wiktionary-l@...
Andrew Dunbar wrote: > On 11/2/05, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@...> wrote: > >> Hoi, >> On the Dutch wiktionary it has been proposed to change the >> template for adjective -(Continue reading)adj- to -adjc-. The reason for this change >> is that adj is an ISO 639 code for a language. I am happy to >> change this template and the places where it is used on your >> wiktionary.. >> >> Please let me know if you have any problems with this. >> >> This is just a suggestion. I think using prefixes similar to Hungarian >> notation would be a perfect idea for wiki template naming policies. >> If all languages were prefixed with lang_ or even l_ then you could >> have say pos_adj for "adjective" and l_adj for "new exotic >> language". >> You can also think of the prefix as a kind of namespace. Or >> perhaps use : instead of _ to make it seems ever more namespace- >> like. >> >> The downside is longer template names, the upsides are that it's >> easier to see what unfamiliar templates are for and easier to >> prevent name clashes. >> >> Andrew Dunbar (hippietrail) The ideas of having the same templates everywhere is that unfamiliarity is not an issue as the templates are everywhere the same. The problem here is that it was not a brilliant idea to have within the current
[Andrew Dunbar (Re: [Wiktionary-l] change of templates) writes:] >> On 11/2/05, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@...> wrote: >> > On the Dutch wiktionary it has been proposed to change the >> > template for adjective -adj- to -adjc-. The reason for this change >> > is that adj is an ISO 639 code for a language. I am happy to >> > change this template and the places where it is used on your >> > wiktionary.. Exactly why should templates, codes, etc. be chosen to avoid overlapping with ISO 639 codes? ISO 639 has about 500 2 and 3 letter codes, including: ace ale arc arm map art bad bra cat car cop .... We can't avoid all of those. What is the problem with "adj"? Jim -- -- Jim Breen http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~jwb/ Clayton School of Information Technology, Tel: +61 3 9905 9554 Monash University, VIC 3800, Australia Fax: +61 3 9905 5146 (Monash Provider No. 00008C) ジム・ブリーン <at> モナシュ大学
Jim Breen <Jim.Breen@...> wrote: > [Andrew Dunbar (Re: [Wiktionary-l] change of templates) writes:] >>> On 11/2/05, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@...> wrote: >>> > On the Dutch wiktionary it has been proposed to change the >>> > template for adjective -(Continue reading)adj- to -adjc-. The reason for this change >>> > is that adj is an ISO 639 code for a language. I am happy to >>> > change this template and the places where it is used on your >>> > wiktionary.. > > Exactly why should templates, codes, etc. be chosen to avoid > overlapping with ISO 639 codes? Many of the Wiktionaries that are not en.wiktionary.org use ISO 639 codes to name the templates that call language names and categories. > ISO 639 has about 500 2 and 3 letter > codes, including: ace ale arc arm map art bad bra cat car cop .... > We can't avoid all of those. We can avoid them easily. There's _no_ pressing need for any template name to sit on a lowercase three-letter page name. I mean, even assuming you were itching to name a template, say, [[Template:map]] there's nothing to stop you from putting it at [[Template:MAP]], say. The current ISO 639 code use scheme only calls for [[Template:xx(x)]] and [[Template:-xx(x)-]] to be reserved. > What is the problem with "adj"? adj is Adioukrou, a Niger-Congo language spoken in Côte d'Ivoire. *Muke!
Jim Breen wrote: > [Andrew Dunbar (Re: [Wiktionary-l] change of templates) writes:] > >>> On 11/2/05, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@...> wrote: >>> >>>> On the Dutch wiktionary it has been proposed to change the >>>> template for adjective -(Continue reading)adj- to -adjc-. The reason for this change >>>> is that adj is an ISO 639 code for a language. I am happy to >>>> change this template and the places where it is used on your >>>> wiktionary.. >>>> > > Exactly why should templates, codes, etc. be chosen to avoid > overlapping with ISO 639 codes? ISO 639 has about 500 2 and 3 letter > codes, including: ace ale arc arm map art bad bra cat car cop .... > We can't avoid all of those. > > What is the problem with "adj"? > > Jim Hoi, For use in many of the Wiktionaries we use the 2 and 3 letter codes to indicate languages, it does not make sense to have 2 and 3 character codes with another function than the indication of languages. Our aim is to have ALL languages ALL words so we should avoid all of those. The problem with adj is, that there is a language that is indicated by this code. Thanks,
[Muke Tever (Re: [Wiktionary-l] change of templates) writes:] >> Jim Breen <Jim.Breen@...> wrote: >> > >> > Exactly why should templates, codes, etc. be chosen to avoid >> > overlapping with ISO 639 codes? >> >> Many of the Wiktionaries that are not en.wiktionary.org use ISO 639 codes to >> name the templates that call language names and categories. I made the mistake of overlooking this referred to template names; not to field values. Would it not be possible to qualify a template name by its usage, e.g. "pos_adj" or "lang_adj"? Jim -- -- Jim Breen http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~jwb/ Clayton School of Information Technology, Tel: +61 3 9905 9554 Monash University, VIC 3800, Australia Fax: +61 3 9905 5146 (Monash Provider No. 00008C) ジム・ブリーン <at> モナシュ大学
Jim Breen wrote: > [Muke Tever (Re: [Wiktionary-l] change of templates) writes:] > >>> Jim Breen <Jim.Breen@...> wrote: >>> >>>> Exactly why should templates, codes, etc. be chosen to avoid >>>> overlapping with ISO 639 codes? >>>> >>> Many of the Wiktionaries that are not en.wiktionary.org use ISO 639 codes to >>> name the templates that call language names and categories. >>> > > I made the mistake of overlooking this referred to template names; not > to field values. > > Would it not be possible to qualify a template name by its usage, e.g. > "pos_adj" or "lang_adj"? > > Jim Hoi, That could be done but it is not consistent with the way this template was used until now. The proposed change is remedial in nature. Thanks, GerardM
Sorry, I did not answer up to now to this thread. Being the Italian wiktionary one that adopts these templates the change form -adj- to -adjc- makes sense, but only if really all wiktionaries that use the same system do this. This also involves that we need to inform our editors (at least the regular ones) and then have a look at all others, since not everybody reads the messages in the bar or wherever. Ciao, Sabine ___________________________________ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it
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