Gerard Meijssen | 2 Nov 09:52 2005
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change of templates

Hoi,
On the Dutch wiktionary it has been proposed to change the template for 
adjective -adj- to -adjc-. The reason for this change is that adj is an 
ISO 639 code for a language. I am happy to change this template and the 
places where it is used on your wiktionary..

Please let me know if you have any problems with this..
Thanks,
    GerardM
Andrew Dunbar | 2 Nov 16:55 2005
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Re: change of templates

On 11/2/05, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@...> wrote:
> Hoi,
> On the Dutch wiktionary it has been proposed to change the
> template for adjective -adj- to -adjc-. The reason for this change
> is that adj is an ISO 639 code for a language. I am happy to
> change this template and the places where it is used on your
> wiktionary..
>
> Please let me know if you have any problems with this..

This is just a suggestion. I think using prefixes similar to Hungarian
notation would be a perfect idea for wiki template naming policies.
If all languages were prefixed with lang_ or even l_ then you could
have say pos_adj for "adjective" and l_adj for "new exotic
language".
You can also think of the prefix as a kind of namespace. Or
perhaps use : instead of _ to make it seems ever more namespace-
like.

The downside is longer template names, the upsides are that it's
easier to see what unfamiliar templates are for and easier to
prevent name clashes.

Andrew Dunbar (hippietrail)

> Thanks,
>    GerardM
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Gerard Meijssen | 2 Nov 18:00 2005
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Re: change of templates

Andrew Dunbar wrote:
> On 11/2/05, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@...> wrote:
>   
>> Hoi,
>> On the Dutch wiktionary it has been proposed to change the
>> template for adjective -adj- to -adjc-. The reason for this change
>> is that adj is an ISO 639 code for a language. I am happy to
>> change this template and the places where it is used on your
>> wiktionary..
>>
>> Please let me know if you have any problems with this.

>>
>> This is just a suggestion. I think using prefixes similar to Hungarian
>> notation would be a perfect idea for wiki template naming policies.
>> If all languages were prefixed with lang_ or even l_ then you could
>> have say pos_adj for "adjective" and l_adj for "new exotic
>> language".
>> You can also think of the prefix as a kind of namespace. Or
>> perhaps use : instead of _ to make it seems ever more namespace-
>> like.
>>
>> The downside is longer template names, the upsides are that it's
>> easier to see what unfamiliar templates are for and easier to
>> prevent name clashes.
>>
>> Andrew Dunbar (hippietrail)
The ideas of having the same templates everywhere is that unfamiliarity 
is not an issue as the templates are everywhere the same. The problem 
here is that it was not a brilliant idea to have within the current 
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Jim Breen | 2 Nov 22:28 2005
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Re: change of templates

[Andrew Dunbar (Re: [Wiktionary-l] change of templates) writes:]
>> On 11/2/05, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@...> wrote:
>> > On the Dutch wiktionary it has been proposed to change the
>> > template for adjective -adj- to -adjc-. The reason for this change
>> > is that adj is an ISO 639 code for a language. I am happy to
>> > change this template and the places where it is used on your
>> > wiktionary..

Exactly why should templates, codes, etc. be chosen to avoid 
overlapping with ISO 639 codes? ISO 639 has about 500 2 and 3 letter
codes, including: ace ale arc arm map art bad bra cat car cop ....
We can't avoid all of those.

What is the problem with "adj"?

Jim

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Muke Tever | 3 Nov 09:12 2005
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Re: change of templates

Jim Breen <Jim.Breen@...> wrote:
> [Andrew Dunbar (Re: [Wiktionary-l] change of templates) writes:]
>>> On 11/2/05, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@...> wrote:
>>> > On the Dutch wiktionary it has been proposed to change the
>>> > template for adjective -adj- to -adjc-. The reason for this change
>>> > is that adj is an ISO 639 code for a language. I am happy to
>>> > change this template and the places where it is used on your
>>> > wiktionary..
>
> Exactly why should templates, codes, etc. be chosen to avoid
> overlapping with ISO 639 codes?

Many of the Wiktionaries that are not en.wiktionary.org use ISO 639 codes to
name the templates that call language names and categories.

> ISO 639 has about 500 2 and 3 letter
> codes, including: ace ale arc arm map art bad bra cat car cop ....
> We can't avoid all of those.

We can avoid them easily.  There's _no_ pressing need for any template name
to sit on a lowercase three-letter page name.  I mean, even assuming you were
itching to name a template, say, [[Template:map]] there's nothing to stop
you from putting it at [[Template:MAP]], say.   The current ISO 639 code use
scheme only calls for [[Template:xx(x)]] and [[Template:-xx(x)-]] to be reserved.

> What is the problem with "adj"?

adj is Adioukrou, a Niger-Congo language spoken in Côte d'Ivoire.

	*Muke!
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Gerard Meijssen | 3 Nov 09:13 2005
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Re: change of templates

Jim Breen wrote:
> [Andrew Dunbar (Re: [Wiktionary-l] change of templates) writes:]
>   
>>> On 11/2/05, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@...> wrote:
>>>       
>>>> On the Dutch wiktionary it has been proposed to change the
>>>> template for adjective -adj- to -adjc-. The reason for this change
>>>> is that adj is an ISO 639 code for a language. I am happy to
>>>> change this template and the places where it is used on your
>>>> wiktionary..
>>>>         
>
> Exactly why should templates, codes, etc. be chosen to avoid 
> overlapping with ISO 639 codes? ISO 639 has about 500 2 and 3 letter
> codes, including: ace ale arc arm map art bad bra cat car cop ....
> We can't avoid all of those.
>
> What is the problem with "adj"?
>
> Jim
Hoi,
For use in many of the Wiktionaries we use the 2 and 3 letter codes to
indicate languages, it does not make sense to have 2 and 3 character
codes with another function than the indication of languages. Our aim is
to have ALL languages ALL words so we should avoid all of those.

The problem with adj is, that there is a language that is indicated by
this code.

Thanks,
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Jim Breen | 3 Nov 23:35 2005
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[Muke Tever (Re: [Wiktionary-l] change of templates) writes:]
>> Jim Breen <Jim.Breen@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > Exactly why should templates, codes, etc. be chosen to avoid
>> > overlapping with ISO 639 codes?
>> 
>> Many of the Wiktionaries that are not en.wiktionary.org use ISO 639 codes to
>> name the templates that call language names and categories.

I made the mistake of overlooking this referred to template names; not
to field values.

Would it not be possible to qualify a template name by its usage, e.g.
"pos_adj" or "lang_adj"? 

Jim

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Gerard Meijssen | 3 Nov 23:39 2005
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Re: change of templates

Jim Breen wrote:
> [Muke Tever (Re: [Wiktionary-l] change of templates) writes:]
>   
>>> Jim Breen <Jim.Breen@...> wrote:
>>>       
>>>> Exactly why should templates, codes, etc. be chosen to avoid
>>>> overlapping with ISO 639 codes?
>>>>         
>>> Many of the Wiktionaries that are not en.wiktionary.org use ISO 639 codes to
>>> name the templates that call language names and categories.
>>>       
>
> I made the mistake of overlooking this referred to template names; not
> to field values.
>
> Would it not be possible to qualify a template name by its usage, e.g.
> "pos_adj" or "lang_adj"? 
>
> Jim
Hoi,
That could be done but it is not consistent with the way this template
was used until now. The proposed change is remedial in nature.
Thanks,
GerardM
Sabine Cretella | 4 Nov 06:40 2005
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Re: change of templates

Sorry, I did not answer up to now to this thread.

Being the Italian wiktionary one that adopts these templates the change
form -adj- to -adjc- makes sense, but only if really all wiktionaries
that use the same system do this. This also involves that we need to
inform our editors (at least the regular ones) and then have a look at
all others, since not everybody reads the messages in the bar or wherever.

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