Oliver Keyes | 25 Nov 22:59 2014
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Re: False anchors

Actually, I'd argue it's not equivalent at all, for two reasons:

  1. it doesn't present all of the same data. In fact, it presents very little data, compared to a pageview of the "File" page;
  2. The argument behind MMV is, as I understand it, that people are focusing on the images. It is designed so that people do so, on the basis that people clicking on images probably want those images. As such, it'd be inaccurate to weight it as equivalent to say https://az.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mar%C3%A7ello_Malpigi in textual value - we believe (correct me if I'm wrong) that someone clicking for an image wants a media file, not a wall of text.

And, of course, even if we do include it, it's Yet Another URL Scheme to take into account when extracting "page" from "URL". I don't think mobile pageviews are a valid equivalency because our design pattern there does not assume a user has a !text intended outcome of the request.




On 25 November 2014 at 16:05, Brion Vibber <bvibber-AeOJrEpdGNeGglJvpFV4uA@public.gmane.org> wrote:
On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Bryan Davis <bd808-AeOJrEpdGNeGglJvpFV4uA@public.gmane.org> wrote:
I'm pretty sure this should be counted as a page view. As Brion notes
this is the equivalent of a page view of the
/wiki/File:Marcello_Malpighi_large.jpg page. If this doesn't count as
a page view then mobile page views shouldn't count either as they are
transformations of the canonical page as well.


AFAIK, the hash is generally not sent to the server so it (and thus the image name) won't be seen by log-based data crunching.

As such I think the issue Oliver is raising is that it would likely be counted as a page view for the article page, even though we don't know whether or not the article will actually be seen or read. However there's no way offhand to know that that page view won't result in a read of the article as well once the media viewer is dismissed. And in general, simply seeing that a data transfer was made tells us nothing about how much attention a human paid to the contents...

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Oliver Keyes | 25 Nov 21:21 2014
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False anchors

(Hat-tip to Nemo for noticing this)

We're writing up and redefining the pageview definition. Amongst other things, it uses MIME type filtering and folder-level filtering to exclude non-pageviews.

Problem: the multimedia viewer false anchor (an example is https://az.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mar%C3%A7ello_Malpigi#mediaviewer/File:Marcello_Malpighi_large.jpg is both text/html (one of the recognised and appreciated MIME types) and /wiki/ (one of the recognised and appreciated domains).

The result of this is that it's currently going to be counted as a pageview, even though it's...well, not.

Is there any way you lot could avoid the false anchor strategy and pick a URL scheme that won't trigger this? If not, we can just write an exception - but I'd rather that we not have to do that every time anyone decides to make software.

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Sebastiaan ter Burg | 22 Nov 23:22 2014
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[Wikivideo-l] GLAM WIKI TV?

Hi everyone,

some of you might have seen that I've send out the first public messages about the GLAM WIKI 2015 conference. Now, there's still a lot to arrange and loads of stuff are uncertain, but I already want to plant an idea in your heads: GLAM WIKI TV.

A couple of weeks ago I went to Copenhagen with a friend to do interviews at a conference. We interviewed speakers after their presentation about the message they brought to the event. This formula worked great and could also be applied to visitors (what have you learned / will you take back home) and panel leaders. Most of the interviews were online before lunch the next day.

Mostly it involved:
1. An interviewer
2. A camera journalist that isn't afraid of handling multiple camera's
3. A production assistent that gets the people, writes summaries, etc.

I don't know if there's any budget to organise something like this at GLAM WIKI 2015, but I'm very interested in what you can/would like to do. To start myself: in any other event I could take on role 1 (I did interviews too) or 2 (did almost all the camera work and editing), but I will be too busy during the conference. While I'm typing this I realise that this could be an open document / wiki page to gather expertise and interests of people on this list.

Oh, and yes... Wikimania TV has crossed my mind too. And if we could pull something off at Wikimedia, I'm volunteering to do the GLAM interviews and to help out with some camera work.

Best,

Sebastiaan

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Sebastiaan ter Burg | 20 Nov 13:02 2014
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[Wikivideo-l] Feedback on content workflow?

Hi everyone,

I thought you might be interested in a project that I'm working on: I'm preparing a trip to San Francisco to interview organisations and experts about the "Crowd Economy". We'll share the raw footage, timelines, etc. with a CC BY license. I've just posted an update about the workflow I plan to use. I'll gladly hear your suggestions to improve my workflow!

Direct link to Youtube:http://youtu.be/KDBKf8mNm4c

And everyone in SF: I hope to interview someone (Lila?) form the foundation too. So let me know if you want to help out arranging that or want to meet up for coffee.

Best,

Sebastiaan

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Keegan Peterzell | 20 Nov 05:01 2014
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Upcoming Office Hours for Structured Data on Commons proposal

Greetings all, 

My apologies for cross-posting lists. I would like to invite everyone interested in the proposal for Structured Data on Wikimedia Commons[1] to join our third Office Hours today, 20 November, from 19:30 to 20:30 UTC[2 for time conversion]. The conversation is free to join on IRC using freenode[3] in #wikimedia-office. 

Discussion will continue about the different possible data structures, very early development work, and touch base on some work that was done during a small hackathon in Amsterdam[4] working with structured data and GLAM. As always, other questions and discussion about the topic are always welcome.

I look forward to seeing you there!

1. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data
4. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Amsterdam_Hackathon_2014

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Manuel Schneider | 18 Nov 00:09 2014
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[Wikivideo-l] Videos for Wikipedia Articles - Ongoing vote! Who will win?

Dear all?

disclaimer: This is a german-speaking project. I thought I should share
this with you anyway, due to your affinities.

"videos for wikipedia articles", short "VWA", is a project which runs
for almost one year.
The efforts of "primary public service 2.0" (incubator of Leuphiana
University), WikiTV and the science year 2014 (digital society) have
been combined. The result was a project supported by Wikimedia
Deutschland and the federal ministry for education and research to
foster videos in Wikipedia:

* video competition on the creation of videos in the context of "digital
society" for Wikipedia

* workshops to train and support future video producers

* intensive advertisement and outreach via banners on Wikipedia,
mailinglist posts, international discussions like the video lunch at
Wikimania etc.

The workshops are all over now and the submission deadline for the
competition is past - now it is your turn!

Which videos should win? You vote!

There are 44 videos in three categories, you have ten votes which you
can distribute freely:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Videos_f%C3%BCr_Wikipedia-Artikel/2014/Abstimmung

Click through the categories, choose your prefered videos, share the
news! We aim at a broad participation.

In parallel to the community vote there is a jury which is assessing all
videos, so there will be two winners in each category, in total there
will be six prices to be awarded at the ceremony at Wikimedia
Deutschland on December 5th.

Links:
* https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiTV/VWA/Wettbewerb
* https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiTV/VWA/Workshops
* https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:VWA_2014

A big thanks to Rillke who set up the voting tool!

Thanks a lot for your participation and regards,

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Greg Grossmeier | 14 Nov 18:00 2014
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Help on Bug 69362: Files disappear and give 404's for the full resolution, please

https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69362

It looks like Aaron was/is/did write a script to find disappeared
files but there hasn't been an update for a while.

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Andrew Lih | 13 Nov 17:03 2014

[Wikivideo-l] VP9 discussion on Bugzilla

FYI,

Some of you interested in VP9 might find this discussion thread on Bugzilla useful.


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Roan Kattouw | 13 Nov 01:18 2014
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Re: IE & Wikipedia [Microsoft] (Ref# 741977)

Actually copying in the multimedia mailing list correctly this time.

Note: this mailing list is open to the public, and any emails you send
to it will be publicly archived forever at
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/multimedia . This is standard
fare for Wikimedians, but the Microsoft people on this thread may not
be used to this.

On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 7:13 PM, Roan Kattouw <rkattouw <at> wikimedia.org> wrote:
> Copying in:
> * Multimedia team because this concerns video playback
> * Oliver because he maintains ua-parser
> * Erik Z because he maintains browser statistics
> * Timo because he cares about browsers and relationships with the browser
> communities
>
> On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 6:42 PM, Rob Macias (Axelerate)
> <v-romac <at> microsoft.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>>
>>
>> As you may have heard, we rolled out a new Windows 10 preview build with
>> significant IE interoperability updates and wanted to make sure our
>> Wikipedia partners are in the loop. A major part of this update is the
>> “Edge” mode platform, which seems to affect how IE is being detected – this
>> is leading to Video playback errors when visiting the wikimedia.org domain.
>> More info on ‘living on the edge’ exists here
>> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2014/11/11/living-on-the-edge-our-next-step-in-interoperability.aspx
>>
>>
>>
>> To our Wikipedia folks:
>>
>> Mind taking a look at this? Bug detail has been pasted below including
>> steps to reproduce and developer notes. If you aren’t already a member of
>> the Windows Insider Program, we recommend doing so OR you can download
>> RemoteIE, which provides another option for testing your site in the latest
>> version of IE.
>>
>>
>
>
> I'm not aware of us being a member. Timo, could you look into whether we
> are, and whether we should be?
>
> RemoteIE looks really useful. It doesn't seem to be available for Ubuntu
> though? Our engineering staff is split roughly 50/50 between Mac OS and
> Ubuntu / other Linux flavors, so if RemoteIE is only available for Windows
> and Mac OS on desktop, then it's only useful for about half our staff. But
> that's still a heck of a lot better than passing a Windows laptop around the
> office :)
>
>>
>> (Bug Specs)
>>
>> Reference #: 741977
>>
>> Description of the Problem: commons.wikimedia.org: Video is not being
>> played
>>
>> Steps to Reproduce:
>>
>> 1. Navigate to URL: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page.
>>
>> 2. Scroll down to video window
>>
>> 3. Invoke Play button to play video/ audio on the page.
>>
>>
>>
>> Actual Result:
>>
>> Video is not being played only black screen is displayed and instead of
>> playing video, it is asking  to save the file.
>>
>>
>>
>> Expected Result:
>>
>> Video should load and play properly.
>>
>>
>
>
> Multimedia team, could you guys look into this?
>
>>
>> Developer Notes:
>>
>> With the introduction of the Edge mode platform, the site needs to account
>> for the latest UA string changes. See below:
>>
>>
>>
>> Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.4; WOW64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko)
>> Chrome/36.0.1985.143 Safari/537.36 Edge/12.0
>>
>>
>>
>> These changes help prevent IE from being (incorrectly) identified as an
>> earlier version.
>>
>>
>
>
> Thanks for letting us know that the UA string changed.
>
> Timo, Oliver and Erik Z: you guys should know about this UA string change.
> It'll affect jquery.client, ua-parser, our browser stats, and probably other
> bits of code here and there that will presumably identify this UA as Chrome
> 36 rather than IE 12.
>
>>
>> Please let me know if you have an estimated timeframe to address this
>> issue, and if our team can further assist in this process.
>>
>>
>
>
> Most likely, someone on the multimedia team will file a ticket for this in
> our public bug tracker, which you can subscribe to.
>
> Roan

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Ralph Giles | 12 Nov 22:20 2014
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Re: [Wikivideo-l] Mox file format

On 2014-11-10 11:37 AM, Brion Vibber wrote:

> Dirac-in-MXF might be wise for the future.

FWIW, Brendan confirmed he was interested in Dirac for lossless support.
Although he also cited speed as a reason not to use VP9...

https://groups.google.com/a/webmproject.org/d/msg/webm-discuss/V2cf-fEV7_o/Tsetr-WsmlQJ

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Andrew Lih | 12 Nov 20:47 2014

[Wikivideo-l] Formats for multilayer graphics/alpha/lower thirds in video?

Hi folks,

Wondering if anyone has addressed the issue of Commons-friendly formats for exchanging on-screen graphics or lower-third graphics with alpha channels for video?

Seems like the .xcf format used by GIMP is the way to go, and it's supported in Commons, but I'd like to find out if anyone has any experiences with this.

-Andrew

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