7 Mar 2013 22:35
Google enters into agreement with MPEG LA to protect WebM
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We are about to merge in support for audio derivatives to Timed Media Handler (TMH). The big value here, I think is encoding to AAC or MP3 and adding a listen to this article feature to the mobile app.
https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/39363/
This can really help with improving accessibility of Wiktionary pronunciation media files as well.
Also AAC / m4v ingestion, could make audio recordings a lot easier to import into the site, i.e a "record a reading of this article" mobile app feature #2 ;)
There are already thousands of spoken articles, with some promotion their could probably be a lot be more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Spoken_articles
The software patent situation for mp3 is sad, considering how long the mp3 format has been around:
http://www.tunequest.org/a-big-list-of-mp3-patents/20070226/
I think AAC is a similar situation, encoder wise:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Audio_Coding#Licensing_and_patents
But fundamentally Wikimedia is not "distributing" these encoders and there are no royalties for media distribution. Likewise we are not shipping decoders ( the decoders are in browser or the mobile OS )
I don't know why Wikimedia's commitment to being accessible in royalty free formats, somehow also precludes making content accessible for folks on platforms that ~don't~ decode royalty free formats. But hopefully we can change that over time.
Not sure if this is the right forum for this, but I hope we could come out of this thread with rough consensus to enable these formats to help increase the reach of audio works.
peace,
--michael
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Hi everyone, There's a private thread that veered into territory we could take public, so I'm continuing a conversation Michael Dale started. To catch everyone up, we're discussing what's needed to deploy TimedMediaHandler more widely to the cluster. As you may recall, there's a video test page here: http://test2.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:JanGerber/sandbox Two problem we're discussing about this page: * Broken thumbnails * Seek bar/time indicator fail to progress during playback More below... On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Michael Dale <mdale@...> wrote: > For the bar / time indicator updates its, related to the jQuery 1.8 update, > we need to schedule the updated deployment of the version that is in the > git. Which revisions need to get deployed at this point? I think at least some of the proposed fixes went out with 1.20wmf12. If there are additional changes that need to get pushed, we can potentially do those out of cycle. > I am not sure about the status of the imagescallers, including the updated > versions of ffmpeg ? That's dependent on the upgrade from Lucid to Precise on those machines. I just spoke with Peter Youngmeister (who is doing that work), and he says he'll likely get that done next week (contingent on some package building work that he hopes to wrap up tomorrow). Rob
Jan Very cool! Works for me on the browsers that it's supposed to (FF, Chrome). There's something wrong my my XiphQT component (Ogg) so I couldn't get that part in Safari, but the WebM works fine through the QT component. This reminds me, now that we're supporting more formats, does it make sense to link Extension:OggHandler/Client_download, should we providing that link even if TMH loads (so they can download alternate codecs), and shouldn't we be linking components like <http://code.google.com/p/webm/downloads/detail?name=WebM%20Component%20Installer.pkg>? No rush. Just thought I'd mention that before I forgot On Jul 25, 2012, at 12:11 PM, j <at> thing.net wrote: > Hi all, > > just wanted to let you know that labs has a mostly working setup of TMH > again. We also pulled in updates form the kaltura branch of the > javascript code to get improved fullscreen support and better subtitles. > > An example of a video with subtitles is at: > http://commons.wikimedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/File:Mandara_Online_-_Upper_Egypt%27s_Local_News_Website.webm > > labs also has a videoscaler vm now that is setup with the puppet classes > we can use in production once the servers are ready. > (https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/16654/) > > so would be good to have another look at labs now and see if there are > things missing to clean up and have another look at our changes in > relation to security. > > I also updated the script to import Youtube videos (including subtitles) > into mediawiki. Above link was imported using it. > The script is currently at https://github.com/bit/youtube2mediawiki > > Jan >
+wikivideo-l :) Wanted to share Jan's recent update on video on wikipedia efforts. --michael On 07/25/2012 12:11 PM, j <at> thing.net wrote: > Hi all, > > just wanted to let you know that labs has a mostly working setup of TMH > again. We also pulled in updates form the kaltura branch of the > javascript code to get improved fullscreen support and better subtitles. > > An example of a video with subtitles is at: > http://commons.wikimedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/File:Mandara_Online_-_Upper_Egypt%27s_Local_News_Website.webm > > labs also has a videoscaler vm now that is setup with the puppet classes > we can use in production once the servers are ready. > (https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/16654/) > > so would be good to have another look at labs now and see if there are > things missing to clean up and have another look at our changes in > relation to security. > > I also updated the script to import Youtube videos (including subtitles) > into mediawiki. Above link was imported using it. > The script is currently at https://github.com/bit/youtube2mediawiki > > Jan >
<div> <br><div>A quick update: as I understand it, we are creating a deployable mechanism for TMH to create the transcoded versions of incoming media files.</div> <div><br></div> <div>I don't have an estimate on when that will be done, though. </div> <div><br></div> <div>-Chris </div> </div>
<div> <div><br></div> <br><div> <div> <div>Faidon was able to create packages for ffmpeg2theora and ffmpeg, they are in place in Labs per <a href="https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37043">https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37043</a> </div> <div><br></div> <div>At the moment TMH is not processing files in its queue, for example <a href="http://commons.wikimedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/File:SSA50091.ogv">http://commons.wikimedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/File:SSA50091.ogv</a> </div> <div><br></div> <div>Antoine is on vacation for the next couple of days, but progress should be picking up late this week and next week. </div> <div><br></div> </div> <div>-Chris </div> </div> </div>
<div> <br><div><br></div> <div>Antoine has made a number of Bugzilla tickets to track the ongoing work in labs for TMH. This might be of interest: <a href="https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=37079&hide_resolved=1">https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=37079&hide_resolved=1</a> </div> </div>
<div> <div><br></div> <div>Now we're getting somewhere. </div> <div><br></div> <div>It looks like late yesterday TMH started processing it's queue again. However, recent uploads such as <a href="http://commons.wikimedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/File:SSA50074.ogv">http://commons.wikimedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/File:SSA50074.ogv</a> are showing errors of the form:</div> <div><br></div> <div><br></div> <div><br></div> <div> <div>'/usr/bin/ffmpeg2theora' '/mnt/upload6/wikipedia/commons/c/c1/SSA50074.ogv' -V '160' -F '15' -a '-1' -H '44100' -c '2' --no-upscaling --two-pass --keyint '128' --buf-delay '256' --width '214' --height '160' --aspect '214:160' -o '/tmp/transcode_160p.ogv396b805-1.ogv'</div> <div><br></div> <div>/usr/local/apache/common-local/php-trunk/bin/ulimit4.sh: line 4: /usr/bin/ffmpeg2theora: No such file or directory</div> </div> <div><br></div> </div>
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