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Subject: [Wmfcc-l] [PRESS] Magazine hails German Wikipedia as better
thanencyclopaedia

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erman_Wikipedia_as_better_than_encyclopaedia

Tech News
Magazine hails German Wikipedia as better than encyclopaedia

Dec 5, 2007, 14:44 GMT

Hamburg - The German version of the do-it-yourself online reference
work Wikipedia is better than Germany's most prestigious commercial
encyclopaedia, the weekly magazine Stern asserted Wednesday.

It engaged WIK, a research institute, to compare 50 randomly chosen
articles from Wikipedia with 50 matching articles in the regularly
updated online version, www.brockhaus.de, of the Brockhaus, Germany's
equivalent of the Encyclopaedia Britannica.

Wikipedia is a website which can be altered by anyone who notices a
mistake or wants to improve the information displayed, provided the
contributor presents sufficient documentary evidence to back up the
new information.

Stern said the Wikipedia's average rating was 1.7 on a scale where 0
is best and 5 is worst. The Brockhaus rated 2.7 on the same measure.

The articles were assessed for accuracy, completeness, how up to date
they were and how easy they were to read.

In 43 matches, the Wikipedia article was judged the winner.

The cooperative project trumped by being up with the news. It gave
Italian tenor Luciano Pavarotti's death date the next day, but
Brockhaus had not noted this even weeks later. But Stern said
Wikipedia also had the lead in accuracy.

The German-language section of Wikipedia, numbering 673,000 articles,
is the second biggest after the English version (2,115,000).

Bilingual readers say the German articles tend to be more formal than
the English ones. The German editors often delete subjects they
consider unimportant, such as lists, details of manual skills or
television show plots.

(c) 2007 dpa - Deutsche Presse-Agentur

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I have posted this in error and been politely informed.

This entire text is copywritten and not appropriate for a publicly archived
mailing list. Would someone please delete this from the archives as soon as
possible. Perhaps edit down to first paragraph

Brian McNeil

On 12/4/07, Brian McNeil <brian.mcneil <at> wikinewsie.org> wrote:
> My first thought on this was that a private wiki is required,
> embargoed.wikinews.org or similar. Yet, the story up on Slashdot at the
> moment, and accusations of a Cabal-esque secret mailing list would not be
> mitigated by opening another private channel for communication and
> cooperation. I cannot think of alternatives that would meet the needs of
> these situations unfortunately.

I don't see any issue with this, and I support a private wiki for the
Wikinews community.   I've worked on sensitive materials for
Wikinews myself, and found it awkward to have to put all information
in public. The only question would be the rules governing access -
perhaps that could be tied to accreditation?

> Moving on from that, and on to a related item; one that has probably been
> asked by 1 in 5 of every new Wikinewsies that sticks around. "Why aren't we
> listed on Google News?" The simple answer is we have no editorial control.
> With an "anyone can edit" approach we fail some of the criteria Google
> applies when approving or declining potential sources.

That's what they told me when I met them two years ago. I tried to
re-establish contact, but their staff has changed, and the new person
hasn't gotten back to me yet. The reasons for exclusion that they gave
to me then may no longer apply.

In any case, I do support Wikinews being among the first wikis trying
out FlaggedRevs; it makes obvious sense.

The other thing I think we need for Wikinews is much better RSS
support. I started a small project proposal at MicroPledge for this:

http://micropledge.com/projects/namespacenews-extension-for-mediawiki

Perhaps the Wikinews community can do some dedicated fundraising work
for tech improvements like this?

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Toward Peace, Love & Progress:
Erik

DISCLAIMER: This message does not represent an official position of
the Wikimedia Foundation or its Board of Trustees.

> I don\'t see any issue with this, and I support a private wiki for the
> Wikinews community.   I\'ve worked on sensitive materials for
> Wikinews myself, and found it awkward to have to put all information
> in public. The only question would be the rules governing access -
> perhaps that could be tied to accreditation?

Agreed. The only \"private\" solution right now is email. I know
we\'ve used scoop for this purpose in the past.

> That\'s what they told me when I met them two years ago. I tried to
> re-establish contact, but their staff has changed, and the new person
> hasn\'t gotten back to me yet. The reasons for exclusion that they gave
> to me then may no longer apply.

I\'ve never got anyone to call back, do they check their messages? I
know we used a blog to help with this, but Google isn\'t displaying it
all

--
[[User:Terinjokes|Terinjokes]]
\"Currently on an extended leave-of-absence from the Wikinews Project\"

Erik Moeller wrote:

>I don't see any issue with this, and I support a private wiki for the
>Wikinews community.   I've worked on sensitive materials for
>Wikinews myself, and found it awkward to have to put all information
>in public. The only question would be the rules governing access -
>perhaps that could be tied to accreditation?

Thanks for supporting this idea. Access has to be a bit wider than just
Accredited reporters though. Arria and a bunch of other people she rounded
up carried out translations on stories for us, some of them being
Wikimedians who were happy to muck in.

>>Google news

>That's what they told me when I met them two years ago. I tried to
>re-establish contact, but their staff has changed, and the new person
>hasn't gotten back to me yet. The reasons for exclusion that they gave
>to me then may no longer apply.

As they've told the few people who have tried to get us listed since.

>In any case, I do support Wikinews being among the first wikis trying
>out FlaggedRevs; it makes obvious sense.

Again, thanks.

>The other thing I think we need for Wikinews is much better RSS
>support. I started a small project proposal at MicroPledge for this:
>
>http://micropledge.com/projects/namespacenews-extension-for-mediawiki
>
>Perhaps the Wikinews community can do some dedicated fundraising work
>for tech improvements like this?

Not during the main fundraiser at least, and after there will be some
fatigue from the public so it'd be some time in the future for that.

Brian McNeil

Please, whoever is maintaining the Wikinews Reports blog, resize the
images properly - dragging them in Blogger is not going to actually
change the physical size of the image, and will mean that Planet
Wikimedia will show them in their full size (not to mention the
bandwidth requirements).

If this keeps happening I _will_ have to remove the feed from the
planet aggregator. 

Erik

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On 12/6/07, Wikinews Markie <newsmarkie <at> googlemail.com> wrote:
> ok ive fixed this now.  sorry about this again erik.

It doesn't appear to be: The entry I'm talking about is this one:
http://wikinewsreports.blogspot.com/2007/12/former-top-model-contestant-whitney.html

Thanks,
Erik

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