Ilya N. | 1 Feb 05:36 2006
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Re: en.Wikinews Arbitration Committee selection

Hey congrats guys

Guess I oughtta participate in WN more often; I didn't even know you guys had  an ArbCom

On 1/31/06, Amgine < amgine <at> saewyc.net> wrote:
en.Wikinews has completed the process of selecting its first Arbitration
Committee, and I'd like to take a moment to congratulate the 6 ArbCom
members:

Bawolff
Chiacomo
CSpurrier
Deprifry
Edbrown05
IlyaHaykinson

We have great hopes they've been elected to a sinecure with no duties or
tasks (or pay, so maybe not much of a sinecure), but kudos to them and
the other candidates!

Amgine
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Brian Anderton | 1 Feb 09:15 2006
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IOTM

Wikinews Interview of the Month (IOTM)

Voting has closed for February and suggestions are being taken for March, please make your March suggestions now. (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikinews/Interview_of_the_month )

The top 7 potential interviewee's for February are:

  1. Don Brash: 8
  2. Michael Geist: 7
  3. Anne Abernathy: 6
  4. Dennis Hwang: 6
  5. Derek Sivers: 3
  6. Steve Mariucci 2
  7. Toshiba or Sony: 2

~~Brian New Zealand

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Nicholas Gerda | 2 Feb 21:23 2006
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World Peace by Wiki?

Dear Wikinewsies,

I hope an email to this list is okay as it is about another project,
however I think there's lots for all of you to be interested in...

Two of us from Wikinews, NGerda and Cmwhite, got a bit sidetracked
late last year building a wiki for a youth network called Never Again:
http://mdonkin.f2s.com/neveragain. Some may remember that we held a
conference last year that was attended by the President of the World
Bank, Paul Wolfowitz
(http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/World_Bank_president_addresses_global_youth_forum_on_genocide).

This weekend, we are holding an experimental Virtual Retreat to try
and put together some ideas about building a more peaceful society.

We'd like to invite Wikinewsies to join the retreat, particularly as
we really need some more people who are not afraid to plunge into a
wiki environment!

You may also find an opportunity to report on the retreat itself,
which will likely have some interesting outcomes and is taking place
in Gisenyi, Rwanda with a cross section of Africans and world youth as
well as the Virtual Retreat. Tomorrow at 7pm GMT, investigative
journalist Linda Melvern (http://www.amahoro.nl/linda/) will be
chatting to us about her work on the Rwandan genocide and what has
been learnt since (Freenode IRC #Neveragain).

Hope to see you there!

Best wishes,
Nick and Clare
Brian W | 3 Feb 01:04 2006
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Re: World Peace by Wiki?

I was wondering where you two went because I havn't seen you recently. Will look at.

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On 02/02/06, Nicholas Gerda <ngerda <at> gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Wikinewsies,

I hope an email to this list is okay as it is about another project,
however I think there's lots for all of you to be interested in...

Two of us from Wikinews, NGerda and Cmwhite, got a bit sidetracked
late last year building a wiki for a youth network called Never Again:
http://mdonkin.f2s.com/neveragain. Some may remember that we held a
conference last year that was attended by the President of the World
Bank, Paul Wolfowitz
(http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/World_Bank_president_addresses_global_youth_forum_on_genocide ).

This weekend, we are holding an experimental Virtual Retreat to try
and put together some ideas about building a more peaceful society.

We'd like to invite Wikinewsies to join the retreat, particularly as
we really need some more people who are not afraid to plunge into a
wiki environment!

You may also find an opportunity to report on the retreat itself,
which will likely have some interesting outcomes and is taking place
in Gisenyi, Rwanda with a cross section of Africans and world youth as
well as the Virtual Retreat. Tomorrow at 7pm GMT, investigative
journalist Linda Melvern (http://www.amahoro.nl/linda/ ) will be
chatting to us about her work on the Rwandan genocide and what has
been learnt since (Freenode IRC #Neveragain).

Hope to see you there!

Best wishes,
Nick and Clare
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mrmiscellanious | 3 Feb 21:26 2006
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Re: World Peace by Wiki?

Ditto Brian's comments.  Great to hear from you two again!

-MrM

On 2/2/06, Nicholas Gerda <ngerda <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Wikinewsies,
>
> I hope an email to this list is okay as it is about another project,
> however I think there's lots for all of you to be interested in...
>
> Two of us from Wikinews, NGerda and Cmwhite, got a bit sidetracked
> late last year building a wiki for a youth network called Never Again:
> http://mdonkin.f2s.com/neveragain. Some may remember that we held a
> conference last year that was attended by the President of the World
> Bank, Paul Wolfowitz
> (http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/World_Bank_president_addresses_global_youth_forum_on_genocide).
>
> This weekend, we are holding an experimental Virtual Retreat to try
> and put together some ideas about building a more peaceful society.
>
> We'd like to invite Wikinewsies to join the retreat, particularly as
> we really need some more people who are not afraid to plunge into a
> wiki environment!
>
> You may also find an opportunity to report on the retreat itself,
> which will likely have some interesting outcomes and is taking place
> in Gisenyi, Rwanda with a cross section of Africans and world youth as
> well as the Virtual Retreat. Tomorrow at 7pm GMT, investigative
> journalist Linda Melvern (http://www.amahoro.nl/linda/) will be
> chatting to us about her work on the Rwandan genocide and what has
> been learnt since (Freenode IRC #Neveragain).
>
> Hope to see you there!
>
> Best wishes,
> Nick and Clare
> _______________________________________________
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> http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikinews-l
>
Erik Moeller | 4 Feb 23:22 2006
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Relaunch Chinese Wikinews poll?

On February 7, 2005 we had a poll on Meta to gather opinions on how to 
deal with the particular problem of whether to launch a Chinese language 
edition of Wikinews or not. Back then, the main reason for not launching 
the project was that it might jeopardize the Chinese Wikipedia, i.e., 
put it at risk of censorship. The poll was evenly split, with half 
favoring launching the project given enough support (which it has), and 
the other half wanting the decision to be left to the Chinese Wikipedia 
community (which, incidentally, also voted 50/50):

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikinews/China

Exactly one year later, I think it might be a good idea to relaunch this 
poll, with the old votes archived, given that the situation has changed 
fundamentally. According to

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blocking_of_Wikipedia_in_mainland_China

Wikipedia has been censored in mainland China since October 2005. 
Furthermore, we have all seen large search engines cave in to the 
Chinese government in recent months. Interestingly enough, recent 
reports note that Google China is being censored in spite of filtering 
search results:

http://www.forbes.com/technology/feeds/afx/2006/02/03/afx2498050.html

To me, this indicates that it may simply not be possible to create an 
encyclopedia written from the neutral point of view which will be 
accepted by the current Chinese government. The question then becomes 
whether it is legitimate for us to continue to put a resource on hold 
that might be useful to millions of Chinese speakers outside the 
mainland, i.e. Chinese Wikinews.

So, are there any objections to relaunching this poll, or alternative 
suggestions on how to proceed? I think the "wait and see" approach has 
gone on long enough.

Best,

Erik
Anthere | 4 Feb 23:43 2006
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Re: Relaunch Chinese Wikinews poll?

Erik Moeller wrote:
> On February 7, 2005 we had a poll on Meta to gather opinions on how to 
> deal with the particular problem of whether to launch a Chinese language 
> edition of Wikinews or not. Back then, the main reason for not launching 
> the project was that it might jeopardize the Chinese Wikipedia, i.e., 
> put it at risk of censorship. The poll was evenly split, with half 
> favoring launching the project given enough support (which it has), and 
> the other half wanting the decision to be left to the Chinese Wikipedia 
> community (which, incidentally, also voted 50/50):
> 
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikinews/China
> 
> Exactly one year later, I think it might be a good idea to relaunch this 
> poll, with the old votes archived, given that the situation has changed 
> fundamentally. According to
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blocking_of_Wikipedia_in_mainland_China
> 
> Wikipedia has been censored in mainland China since October 2005. 
> Furthermore, we have all seen large search engines cave in to the 
> Chinese government in recent months. Interestingly enough, recent 
> reports note that Google China is being censored in spite of filtering 
> search results:
> 
> http://www.forbes.com/technology/feeds/afx/2006/02/03/afx2498050.html
> 
> To me, this indicates that it may simply not be possible to create an 
> encyclopedia written from the neutral point of view which will be 
> accepted by the current Chinese government. The question then becomes 
> whether it is legitimate for us to continue to put a resource on hold 
> that might be useful to millions of Chinese speakers outside the 
> mainland, i.e. Chinese Wikinews.
> 
> So, are there any objections to relaunching this poll, or alternative 
> suggestions on how to proceed? I think the "wait and see" approach has 
> gone on long enough.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Erik

Admittedly, the previous attitude which consisted of "not opening" the 
chinese speaking wikinews to avoid China censoring our projects... makes 
little sense now...

Actually, I am concerned...

We currently claim this : "Imagine a world in which every single person 
is given free access to the sum of all human knowledge. That's what 
we're doing."

Unfortunately, I feel it is not true. That might be what we are *trying* 
to do, or what we are *aiming* to do.

But if we are frank with ourselves, we are currently putting most of our 
energy "in giving free access to a lot of knowledge to people who could 
mostly access this knowledge without us".

Granted, we simplify the access to knowledge to many. We collect the 
info. We organise it. We put all our attention in giving non biaised 
information. And this is already really great.
But we mostly give information to those who have internet access and if 
they made a bit of effort, they could actually find this information all 
by themselves. At least for major languages.

In short, we facilitate access to information for those who *already* 
can access it.

What we do not do is:
* We do not *improve* access to those who do not have access to 
information now
* And we do not make *every effort* to collect the sum of human knowledge.

The best example being precisely chinese (main land) knowledge that we 
do not collect and chinese (main land) end users which we do not inform.

ant
Amgine | 5 Feb 03:31 2006
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Re: Relaunch Chinese Wikinews poll?

I have already contacted some of the people involved in the original 
zh.wikinews proposal. They have re-examined the project with an eye 
toward updating the policy pages, templates, and layout. It appears the 
project meets the required number of volunteers, has moved through 
pre-launch process (twice), and is ready to be created.

Amgine

Erik Moeller wrote:
> On February 7, 2005 we had a poll on Meta to gather opinions on how to 
> deal with the particular problem of whether to launch a Chinese 
> language edition of Wikinews or not. Back then, the main reason for 
> not launching the project was that it might jeopardize the Chinese 
> Wikipedia, i.e., put it at risk of censorship. The poll was evenly 
> split, with half favoring launching the project given enough support 
> (which it has), and the other half wanting the decision to be left to 
> the Chinese Wikipedia community (which, incidentally, also voted 50/50):
>
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikinews/China
>
> Exactly one year later, I think it might be a good idea to relaunch 
> this poll, with the old votes archived, given that the situation has 
> changed fundamentally. According to
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blocking_of_Wikipedia_in_mainland_China
>
> Wikipedia has been censored in mainland China since October 2005. 
> Furthermore, we have all seen large search engines cave in to the 
> Chinese government in recent months. Interestingly enough, recent 
> reports note that Google China is being censored in spite of filtering 
> search results:
>
> http://www.forbes.com/technology/feeds/afx/2006/02/03/afx2498050.html
>
> To me, this indicates that it may simply not be possible to create an 
> encyclopedia written from the neutral point of view which will be 
> accepted by the current Chinese government. The question then becomes 
> whether it is legitimate for us to continue to put a resource on hold 
> that might be useful to millions of Chinese speakers outside the 
> mainland, i.e. Chinese Wikinews.
>
> So, are there any objections to relaunching this poll, or alternative 
> suggestions on how to proceed? I think the "wait and see" approach has 
> gone on long enough.
>
> Best,
>
> Erik
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Jimmy Wales | 5 Feb 05:22 2006

Re: [Wikinews-l] Relaunch Chinese Wikinews poll?

I would strongly support doing a new set of polls but before we do we
need to work out exactly what we are asking the community to decide, and
what the parameters of the decision will be.

The decision not to start Chinese Wikinews was, in my view, one which
the community took out of respect for the strength and openness of
Chinese Wikipedia, and the (valid) concerns of that community.  Things
have changed now, of course, and it is good to reassess.

What I'm personally looking for is broad support from both the Chinese
Wikipedia community *and* from the entire community before we start it.

Some Chinese Wikipedians may believe that the block will be lifted if we
continue the current strategy.  They would presumably argue that now is
the *worst* possible time to open Chinese Wikinews.  Others will argue
that "Well, we're blocked anyway, might as well go for it."

Anything we do should be thoughtful about what those community members need.

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Erik Moeller | 5 Feb 07:13 2006
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Re: Re: [Wikinews-l] Relaunch Chinese Wikinews poll?

OK, I've created a brainstorming page on

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikinews/China_2

to design a poll or set of polls to deal with the issue. I think all 
votes should take place on Meta rather than Wikipedia, since there 
already is Chinese Wikiquote, Chinese Wikisource, Chinese Wiktionary, 
Chinese Wikicommons, Chinese Wikispecies, and Chinese Wikibooks, and it 
wouldn't be fair to potentially exclude people who are members of any of 
these communities, but not of the Chinese Wikipedia.

Erik

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