Maximilian Klein | 22 Sep 20:13 2014
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Other (non -male or -female) Gender Knowledge for Study

Hello,

I'm doing a project at the moment, and writing a paper, that proposes a Wikipedia Gender Index - like the United Nations Gender Inequality Index. Essentially it will show the proportion of represented (existing article in the Wiki, not editors) Genders over time (both historical time, and as Wikipedia evolves), by language edition, by occupation, and by ethnic group.

I want to be sensitive to the many categories of non-male and non-female genders that exist in Wikipedia. Another balance is make the Index compatible with the other indexes so we can compare. Some of those other indexes are M/F.  So the question is: it could be M/F/Other, M/F+Other (Male/Non-male), M/F/All/the/other/categories. I don't say that any of these are correct. I'm ask if you, or you know any researchers that has studied these decisions and can advise.


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Andreas Kolbe | 12 Sep 04:31 2014
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Re: Wikipedia and the war on women’s dignity

Anne,

That's precisely the point. A lot of journalism is badly researched, because Wikipedia is remarkably opaque to many outside observers. So you simply end up with people repeating PR fluff, or going for the easy headline.

Here are a couple of articles that are different. I would contend they had a palpable positive impact on Wikipedia:



This one didn't make a big impact, but it was a story I cared about:

There are stories like this about the gender gap that simply haven't been heard. They have only bounced off the walls within the Wikipedia echo chamber, muffled by nay-sayers.

Those stories should be heard.

Andreas







 

On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 12:59 AM, Risker <risker.wp <at> gmail.com> wrote:
Frankly, I see little value in creating a site whose goal includes attracting journalists - particularly given the poor quality, sensationalistic journalism that we've all seen "reporting" on anything Wikimedia. 
 
Risker/Anne

On 11 September 2014 18:51, Andreas Kolbe <jayen466 <at> gmail.com> wrote:
In my opinion, women should look to organising off-wiki. Women-only site Women.com was mentioned the other day on the Gender Gap Task Force page. Activism there could certainly fulfil a useful function.

Ultimately, I think there should be a separate site for the gender gap effort – combining a blog and a forum, much like Wikipediocracy – where women and men interested in narrowing the gender gap and documenting the existing problems can exchange views in an atmosphere undisturbed by men pretending to be women, men opposed to narrowing the gender gap, men arguing that it's not really proven that the gender gap is a problem, and so forth. 

It could do wonders for the effort's signal-to-noise ratio, and could probably achieve exponentially more in terms of raising public awareness. As it is, discussions on-wiki get bogged down in arguments leading nowhere, and contributors' energies are dissipated.[1] 

A well-publicised off-wiki site forming links to journalists and academics working in this field would be an ideal complement to this mailing list – which is useful for networking with researchers and Wikipedians, but creates little or no direct publicity. No journalist will comb through the voluminous discussions here. You need a place where you can summarise issues in a more easily digestible format.

Unrelated to this, some of you may be interested in an ongoing discussion of the Wikipedia gender gap happening on Hacker News / Y Combinator: 


[1] Note the current arbitration request on the English Wikipedia: 




On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:22 AM, Katherine Casey <fluffernutter.wiki <at> gmail.com> wrote:
I don't think it's appropriate to use this list to link to pages that out other users. I understand your frustration with nothing onwiki getting done, Carol, I truly do, but part of the social contract of being a Wikipedian is that we're expected to not attack the "real lives" of other Wikipedians - even when we think they're terrible or totally wrong.

On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 6:44 PM, Carol Moore dc <carolmooredc <at> verizon.net> wrote:
Wikipedia and the war on women’s dignity
http://wikipediocracy.com/2014/09/07/wikipedia-and-the-war-on-womens-dignity/

This article mentions an individual who's caused problems at the Gender Gap task force.

Off wiki sites engaging in outing is, like hashtags, a two edged sword.  It can be used against truly problematic individuals who troll behind anonymity.  But it also can be used against solid editors whose job or other situation necessitates anonymity but who have angered the wrong troll by trying to comply with policy.

And the absurdities continue....

CM



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LB | 12 Sep 02:14 2014
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Re: Wikipedia and the war on women’s dignity

I hear you, but I would very much like to see some good newsrooms (real journalists) do regular reporting on Wikipedia. I think it would be hard on the community at first, but ultimately would help. WP is a hostile work environment and I for one am tired of it.

Lightbreather

On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Risker <risker.wp <at> gmail.com> wrote:
Frankly, I see little value in creating a site whose goal includes attracting journalists - particularly given the poor quality, sensationalistic journalism that we've all seen "reporting" on anything Wikimedia. 
 
Risker/Anne

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Christopher Schwarzkopf | 10 Sep 17:44 2014
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Charting Diversity: New blog post is up!

Hello everybody,

as some of you might already know, Wikimedia Deutschland recently published the study "Charting Diversity" that summarizes the key conclusions of our research and development project "Diversity for Wikipedia".

Today we officially announced the study to the international movement with a new blog post on the Wikimedia blog: https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/09/09/working-together-towards-diversity-in-wikipedia/ 

We are happy if you share the blogpost in your networks in order to make more people aware of the study!

Best,
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Carol Moore dc | 10 Sep 00:44 2014
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Wikipedia and the war on women’s dignity

Wikipedia and the war on women’s dignity
http://wikipediocracy.com/2014/09/07/wikipedia-and-the-war-on-womens-dignity/

This article mentions an individual who's caused problems at the Gender Gap task force.

Off wiki sites engaging in outing is, like hashtags, a two edged sword.  It can be used against truly problematic individuals who troll behind anonymity.  But it also can be used against solid editors whose job or other situation necessitates anonymity but who have angered the wrong troll by trying to comply with policy.

And the absurdities continue....

CM


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Carol Moore dc | 10 Sep 00:28 2014
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Result: WP:ANI on Disruption of Gender Gap Task Force; plus Arbitraition Denial

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive853#Disruption_of_Wikiproject

There will clearly never be a consensus for any administrative action to be taken with respect to this incident, therefore this discussion only continues to serve as a drama-generating time vampire. Both sides of the argument need to step back, take a deep breath, and act like rational adults. The editors that are alleging disruption need to realize that there is a difference between someone being uncivil/disruptive and someone simply disagreeing with your point of view. The editors who have been accused of disruption need to realize that while it is ok to disagree with someone’s point of view, doing it in a brusque or rude manner will only make it less likely that the other side will actually consider your point of view, rather than simply focus on your attitude and ultimately end up in an entirely unproductive discussion like the one you see below here.

In summary, no action will come of this discussion, and all of the involved parties here need to work this out amongst themselves like mature adults.

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One editor was disgusted and requested an Arbitration which looks like it will be declined, which is preferred until we at least find out if these guys intend to keep it up.  (I know my Wikihounder of the last year intends to and has been doing so.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Gender_Gap_Task_Force_Issues

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Despite the large number of individuals disgusted with the disruption, some Admins and Arbitrators refuse to take it seriously.

Unfortunately, the only real solution is Electing Admins and Aribtrators against the Gender Gap.

But who needs the grief??

CM


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Sydney Poore | 9 Sep 20:52 2014
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The Insane Double Standard for Women Working in Tech

This article is interesting and relevant to the gender gap issue on Wikipedia.
Sydney

The Insane Double Standard for Women Working in Tech
http://www.inc.com/kimberly-weisul/insane-double-standard-for-tech-women.html
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Gender Gap | 9 Sep 12:05 2014
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Shining light on the gender gap by Twitter

Hey, I've been following this list for a while. I'm pretty sick of the constant sexism on Wikipedia, and depressed because it's not just a few users, but seen in the opinions and suggestions of so many. I've started a twitter account (https://twitter.com/SaidOnWP) to give some examples of what I think the most egregious things said are. This will probably upset some users, especially users that meant well, but many things that are said that are "well-meaning" have some offensive underlying ideas.

I want to show the mass of evidence that sexism exists on WP in a venue where it doesn't have to be interrupted by users demanding proof. I know that this is more confrontational than some users will want, but I'm sick of the anti-interventionalist sentiment from different quarters in WP, with the attitude "oh! well it's up to what the community wants...!" This is a problem with the community and I hope to shed some light on it.

I'm going to be posting things every day and have enough content planned for about a month, repost, send me examples or follow my twitter. I'm only posting content from this year, and include analyses, discussions, commentary and incidents.

#saidonWP
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