Carol Moore dc | 28 Jul 14:29 2014
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WikiProject Countering systemic bias/open tasks

Going through old emails, see I now have info that replies to this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Countering_systemic_bias/open_tasks


On 6/26/2014 11:16 AM, Pharos wrote:
I think a version of Marie's idea for an "umbrella" to help with diversity-related articles might be quite useful.  A number of experienced editors have been trying to do this on an adhoc basis, but it's hard to scale.

Perhaps it would make sense to revive WikiProject Countering Systemic Bias, or reformulate something like WikiProject Diversity.  I can see the point that a typical wikiproject oriented around a particular subject area (rather than to fostering diversity in general) might be a somewhat limiting definition.

Dr Strassman is actually chair of the board of the Wiki Education Foundation, serving the education program in the US and Canada (I am another one of the board members).  Certainly the education program model of "ambassadors" is something that can be built on. 

Thanks,
Pharos
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Kathleen McCook | 28 Jul 01:51 2014
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c*nt talk

These words do cause concern..this is an interesting essay on Bill Maher's use of the word...and the author ends by stating:
Someone as clever as Maher, who writes and talks for a living, also probably has other words in his vocabulary that he could use, if he needs to express his contempt for Sarah Palin—words that aren't inherently misogynistic, words that don't demean other women in the process of discussing a particular woman. 

I challenge him to use those words, and prove to us he's actually as smart a guy as he thinks he is. 

[more here]
Last week, I mentioned that Bill Maher had called Sarah Palin a "dumb twat" on his show. On the next episode, he called Palin and Rep. Michele Bachmann "bimbos." Then, Sunday night, during a comedy show in Dallas, he reportedly called Sarah Palin a "cunt," because "there's just no other word for her." 


On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 7:40 PM, Michael J. Lowrey <orangemike <at> gmail.com> wrote:
My British contacts insist that the term "cunt" as an insult is not
sexist in usage or intent. Vulgar, but not sexist.


On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 4:02 PM, LB <lightbreather2 <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> One of my hurdles as an editor is incivility: a deficiency of it in others
> and, according to some of them, too much of it in me - or too much
> sensitivity. I started a discussion "Where and how to request a Civility
> board"
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Where_and_how_to_request_a_Civility_board
> and there seems to be some strong resistance to the idea.
>
> Disappointingly, but perhaps not surprisingly, the third person to reply
> dragged gender into it, with this comment:
>
>     "Besides, the easiest way to avoid being called a cunt is not to act
> like one."
>
> I would surely like some feedback - here and there - about this.
>
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Carol Moore dc | 27 Jul 20:42 2014
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Gender Gap brouhaha at en.Talk WP:ANI

It ranges all over the place on various issues.

Wikipedia_talk:Administrators'_noticeboard#Where_and_how_to_request_a_Civility_board

I'm now trying to use it for a definitive ruling as to whether the Gender Gap task force main page/subpage/essay can list particularly obnoxious examples of sexism, like a number that were mentioned here over the time. 

Pandora's box is being opened?
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LB | 26 Jul 23:02 2014
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Rebirthing PAIN or something like it - and c*nt talk

One of my hurdles as an editor is incivility: a deficiency of it in others and, according to some of them, too much of it in me - or too much sensitivity. I started a discussion "Where and how to request a Civility board"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Where_and_how_to_request_a_Civility_board
and there seems to be some strong resistance to the idea.

Disappointingly, but perhaps not surprisingly, the third person to reply dragged gender into it, with this comment:

    "Besides, the easiest way to avoid being called a cunt is not to act like one."

I would surely like some feedback - here and there - about this.

Lightbreather
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Daria Cybulska | 25 Jul 10:52 2014
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Calling all women in tech - Scholarships for UK based attendees of AdaCamp Berlin 2014

Hi All, 

Please have a look and spread widely - really hope to see some of you at the event. The event is worth attending; I'm raising it particularly as there are scholarships for UK attendees. 

AdaCamp is a conference dedicated to increasing women’s participation in open technology and culture. It brings women together to build community, share skills, discuss problems with open tech/culture communities that affect women, and find ways to address them. It has been taking place for several years in the US and Australia, but in 2014 it is coming to Europe for the first time. The Berlin AdaCamp will be October 11-12, 2014 at the Wikimedia Deutschland offices. It will also focus strongly on the Wikimedia community in particular.


It is a valuable opportunity for UK Wikimedians to attend a focused event (of only about 50 attendees) where we will focus on learning practical things and planning future projects.


If you have experience in open tech/culture, experience or knowledge of feminism and advocacy and the ability to collaborate with others, you should apply!


We would like to help build a community of UK Wikimedians supporting women in open tech/culture - especially Wikimedia projects - and for that reason we are offering scholarships for UK applicants.


To learn more about the event visit http://berlin.adacamp.org/


To read about the application process and find out how to receive a scholarship, please visit http://berlin.adacamp.org/apply/


If you have any questions about the UK scholarships, contact Daria Cybulska at daria.cybulska <at> wikimedia.org.uk



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Georgia Guthrie | 24 Jul 18:12 2014

Hi Gender Gap list

Hi there,
I'm messaging from Philadelphia, where I've been the director of a small hackerspace named The Hacktory for a number of years. We've developed a devoted if small following that has a good gender balance, and we continue to attract people of different genders who value gender equality and diversity. I attended Adacamp DC two summers ago and thought it was awesome, and I've really enjoyed the posts Sumana Harihareswara on the Adacamp list has been sharing about her own reflections on the Gender Gap issue.

At The Hacktory we also developed a workshop we call "Hacking the Gender Gap" to help people talk and understand the Gender Gap, which is been well received in  a number of 
technical and community groups. This also lead to me being invited to write about the topic for Make:Zine (Make Magazine's online blog) and r
recently in their print magazine:

I've found an overwhelming interest in this topic in our local community and visitors to The Hacktory, and I try to point them towards other resources
and sources as much as possible. I'm very interested to be part of the discussion here for that reason but also to keep tabs on the conversation in general.

Look forward to hearing more,
Best,
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Ryan Kaldari | 23 Jul 22:03 2014
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Sexualized environment on Commons

If anyone ever needs a good example of the locker-room environment on Wikimedia Commons, I just came across this old deletion discussion:
The last two keep votes are especially interesting. One need look no farther than the current Main Page talk page for more of the same (search for "premature ejaculation").

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Sarah Stierch | 23 Jul 00:16 2014
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Fwd: [Adacamp Alumni] Applications open for AdaCamp Berlin and Bangalore

First AdaCamp in India! 

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Valerie Aurora <valerie <at> adainitiative.org>
Date: Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 3:11 PM
Subject: [Adacamp Alumni] Applications open for AdaCamp Berlin and Bangalore
To: AdaCamp Alumni <adacamp-alumni <at> lists.adainitiative.org>


Hi AdaCampers,

We just opened applications for AdaCamp Berlin and Bangalore!

http://adainitiative.org/2014/07/applications-open-for-adacamp-berlin-and-adacamp-bangalore/

A lot of AdaCamp Alumni have asked: Should I go to AdaCamp again? This
isn't an easy question, because we are pretty sure all future AdaCamps
are going to be sold out, and because we are trying hard to reach
people who need AdaCamp the most (usually those who don't have a
chance to attend many supportive conferences). At the same time, we
need people who have been to previous AdaCamps to attend to help show
new people the ropes, and we also need women who have a lot of
confidence and experience and expertise to attend to serve as role
models, give advice, and make relationships.

If you want to attend AdaCamp but are feeling guilty about taking up a
spot someone else might need more, here's what I recommend: Apply to
AdaCamp and in the "Anything else?" field of the application, say that
you are happy to give up your spot if someone else needs it more. :)

In other words, apply!

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Kathleen McCook | 22 Jul 20:06 2014
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Cussler comparison

My intention was to point out that a series of novels (Cussler's) that don't meet the criteria applied to __October__ have full pages. The two authors are in no way similar. In fact, they are as far apart as they could be. However, the male author has complete coverage of every jot and tittle.




On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 1:46 PM, Risker <risker.wp <at> gmail.com> wrote:
I believe what caused the more in-depth examination was the creation of a brand new, otherwise unlinked category for the book, which drew the attention of a very different group of editors than the ones who pay attention to works of fiction.  You've got the category-interested editors looking at the article, instead of the fiction-interested editors. 
 
It's just a notability tag, it's already been removed, and I'm sure folks will be able to find some more reviews about October (novel). 
 
I don't think it has anything at all to do with the fact that the author is a woman.  As best I can tell, the only person comparing this novel to Cussler books is you. 
 
Risker/Anne


On 22 July 2014 13:39, Kathleen McCook <klmccook <at> gmail.com> wrote:
The reason I asked to discuss here is to ascertain whether or not there seems to be a different set of notability standards by gender.

I encourage students to contribute to Wikipedia.
But when notability is an editor's decision with so many exceptions...how do you encourage?

Really, I am careful and if a book by a brilliant woman like Zoe Wicomb causes notability queries..how, on earth, can this gender gap be addressed?

Here is Ms. Wicomb's prize announcement at Yale.





On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Pete Forsyth <peteforsyth <at> gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 10:03 AM, Daniel and Elizabeth Case <dancase <at> frontiernet.net> wrote:
 
On what basis in Clive Cussler notable? 
That he’s a regular denizen of the bestseller lists in many countries who’s had works adapted into major motion pictures (To be honest, I think we should say that “all published works by authors who have their paperbacks displayed prominently in the racks near the front of bookstores at airports are notable “).

Well, I don't know. I had never heard of Cussler before today (don't spend a lot of time in airport bookshops), but I did look at a couple of his novels' Wikipedia articles, and they didn't indicate significance any better than the October article. (One of them had a single, ephemeral reference; the other had 7 that seemed pretty thin.)

I can see how Kathleen would be frustrated by what surely appears from her perspective to be a double standard.

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Kathleen McCook | 22 Jul 19:39 2014
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Novel by Woman-Notability

The reason I asked to discuss here is to ascertain whether or not there seems to be a different set of notability standards by gender.

I encourage students to contribute to Wikipedia.
But when notability is an editor's decision with so many exceptions...how do you encourage?

Really, I am careful and if a book by a brilliant woman like Zoe Wicomb causes notability queries..how, on earth, can this gender gap be addressed?

Here is Ms. Wicomb's prize announcement at Yale.





On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Pete Forsyth <peteforsyth <at> gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 10:03 AM, Daniel and Elizabeth Case <dancase <at> frontiernet.net> wrote:
 
On what basis in Clive Cussler notable? 
That he’s a regular denizen of the bestseller lists in many countries who’s had works adapted into major motion pictures (To be honest, I think we should say that “all published works by authors who have their paperbacks displayed prominently in the racks near the front of bookstores at airports are notable “).

Well, I don't know. I had never heard of Cussler before today (don't spend a lot of time in airport bookshops), but I did look at a couple of his novels' Wikipedia articles, and they didn't indicate significance any better than the October article. (One of them had a single, ephemeral reference; the other had 7 that seemed pretty thin.)

I can see how Kathleen would be frustrated by what surely appears from her perspective to be a double standard.

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Kathleen McCook | 22 Jul 15:34 2014
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Zoë Wicomb or Clive Cussler?

Thank you. But I do not believe these Guidelines are used fairly when it comes to author's gender. Again..why would every novel by Clive Cussler get its own page but there be a notability query about one by  Zoë Wicomb??

This seems to me pure gender bias.




On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 9:20 AM, Nathan <nawrich <at> gmail.com> wrote:



On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 8:54 AM, Kathleen McCook <klmccook <at> gmail.com> wrote:
I took off the scheduled for deletion notice or maybe it was lack of notability he put up. I couldn't bear. I am fearful he will put it back.

This is the issue--how can a male editor decide a woman's novel is not notable. on what basis? On what basis in Clive Cussler notable?  



Hi Kathleen, in answer to your question, the notability guideline is the basis by which both male and female editors should assess articles. You can find it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability 


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