Kim Bruning | 1 Jul 2012 15:21
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Re: TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.


Better would be to keep those articles, and also (at some point) to preserve TVTropes.

sincerely,	
	Kim Bruning

On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 06:17:57PM +0000, Mike Dupont wrote:
> well i decided to delete them, and other articles dealing with peoples
> personal lives.
> I dont want to deal with stuff like that,
> mike
> 
> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 8:29 PM, Mike  Dupont
> <jamesmikedupont@...> wrote:
> > Well you think i should delete them from the speedydeletion wikia?
> > http://speedydeletion.wikia.com/wiki/index.php?search=rape&fulltext=Search
> > mike
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Kim Bruning
<kim@...> wrote:
> >>
> >> Wow, thank goodness we never had advertising. The TV-Tropes wiki has been forced to censor a
> >> number of pages due to advertiser pressure.
> >>
> >> ? ? ? ?http://www.themarysue.com/tv-tropes-rape-articles/
> >>
> >> In the mean time, the discussed tropes *do* exist in our culture and in our movies. It
> >> somehow feels soviet. :-/
> >>
> >> sincerely,
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Mike Dupont | 1 Jul 2012 16:52
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Re: TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

well i can give you copies of the scripts, the articles are still on
archive org, I dont want to host them,
mike

On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Kim Bruning <kim@...> wrote:
>
> Better would be to keep those articles, and also (at some point) to preserve TVTropes.
>
> sincerely,
>         Kim Bruning
>
> On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 06:17:57PM +0000, Mike Dupont wrote:
>> well i decided to delete them, and other articles dealing with peoples
>> personal lives.
>> I dont want to deal with stuff like that,
>> mike
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 8:29 PM, Mike  Dupont
>> <jamesmikedupont@...> wrote:
>> > Well you think i should delete them from the speedydeletion wikia?
>> > http://speedydeletion.wikia.com/wiki/index.php?search=rape&fulltext=Search
>> > mike
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Kim Bruning
<kim@...> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Wow, thank goodness we never had advertising. The TV-Tropes wiki has been forced to censor a
>> >> number of pages due to advertiser pressure.
>> >>
>> >> ? ? ? ?http://www.themarysue.com/tv-tropes-rape-articles/
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Michael Peel | 1 Jul 2012 23:39
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Re: New, lower traffic, announcements only email list for Wikimedia developers

Hi Gregory,

Could I ask a related common question - why not just send these out on WikimediaAnnounce-l?

Thanks,
Mike

On 30 Jun 2012, at 06:49, Gregory Varnum wrote:

> Cross-posting.
> 
> -greg
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: Gregory Varnum <gregory.varnum@...>
>> Subject: New, lower traffic, announcements only email list for Wikimedia developers
>> Date: 30 June, 2012 1:23:11 AM EDT
>> To: wikitech-l@...
>> 
>> Greetings,
>> 
>> Following discussions with Wikimedia developers more on the "fringe" and not as engaged in frequent IRC
or mailing list conversations, the request for an announcements only mailing list came up.  I wanted to let
folks know that this list has been created and is ready for membership: 
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-announce  - 
wikitech-announce@...  There will also be a signup
list for this and other lists at Wikimania Hackathon.
>> 
>> Unlike this list, which allows for discussion, or the MediaWiki-announce list, which focuses
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Gregory Varnum | 1 Jul 2012 23:49
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Re: New, lower traffic, announcements only email list for Wikimedia developers

Hey Mike,

I'm not sure I have a very satisfying answer beyond - I think we did not want to "spam" a low-traffic list
largely made up of non-developers with developer related updates.

My sense is this list's target audience is a rather niche group of volunteers.  However, their size is often
disproportionate to the value they can contribute as developers.  Many are paid to maintain MediaWiki
installations and as such, already develop tools beneficial to the rest of us.  However, given their
motives, they are often less engaged than our core developers.  This has often led to corporate and other
powerful wikis running MediaWiki having custom extensions, themes, etc. that could benefit others.  In
talking with those folks, the sense I got was they did not want the usual volunteer info, and did not want
discussions.  They simply wanted to know the best ways to keep their tools alive in our developer community
without getting fully embraced in our developer community.  This
  seemed like a reasonable middle ground.  That doesn't speak to every type of person that may find this list
helpful - but in general I think a very small fraction of current members of wikimediaannounce-l would
find this interesting and I think very little of that list's traffic would be interesting to the folks on
this new list.  lol - that make sense?

All of that said, I would not be shocked if a better solution emerged in the future or if that list's group
one-day wanted to become more integrated into general Wikimedia culture, vs the very niche private
developer community.

-greg

PS.  I'm scrambling to get ready for a family vacation - so apologies if this is not well written.  :)

On 1 Jul, 2012, at 5:39 PM, Michael Peel <michael.peel@...> wrote:

> Hi Gregory,
> 
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Federico Leva (Nemo | 1 Jul 2012 23:51
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Re: New, lower traffic, announcements only email list for Wikimedia developers

Michael Peel, 01/07/2012 23:39:
> Could I ask a related common question - why not just send these out on WikimediaAnnounce-l?

The list is meant to be low traffic compared to wikitech-l, which is 
currently (by far) the highest traffic list we have; so, still quite 
high traffic.
Moreover, it's mostly for a technical audience.

Nemo

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Michael Peel | 2 Jul 2012 00:02
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Re: New, lower traffic, announcements only email list for Wikimedia developers

Hey Greg,

Great answer - thanks. :-) It does sound like that's quite a distinct audience here that most likely
wouldn't be interested in the other emails that are sent to WikimediaAnnounce-l (e.g. chapter and WMF
reports). I hope that there will be appropriate cross-posting to both lists for announcements that
are/may be of interest to both audiences.

Thanks,
Mike

On 1 Jul 2012, at 22:49, Gregory Varnum wrote:

> Hey Mike,
> 
> I'm not sure I have a very satisfying answer beyond - I think we did not want to "spam" a low-traffic list
largely made up of non-developers with developer related updates.
> 
> My sense is this list's target audience is a rather niche group of volunteers.  However, their size is often
disproportionate to the value they can contribute as developers.  Many are paid to maintain MediaWiki
installations and as such, already develop tools beneficial to the rest of us.  However, given their
motives, they are often less engaged than our core developers.  This has often led to corporate and other
powerful wikis running MediaWiki having custom extensions, themes, etc. that could benefit others.  In
talking with those folks, the sense I got was they did not want the usual volunteer info, and did not want
discussions.  They simply wanted to know the best ways to keep their tools alive in our developer community
without getting fully embraced in our developer community.  Th
 is seemed like a reasonable middle ground.  That doesn't speak to every type of person that may find this list
helpful - but in general I think a very small fraction of current members of wikimediaannounce-l would
find this interesting and I think very little of that list's traffic would be interesting to the folks on
this new list.  lol - that make sense?
> 
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Gregory Varnum | 2 Jul 2012 00:05
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Re: New, lower traffic, announcements only email list for Wikimedia developers

Mike - thank you - and to Nemo as well for a more concise answer than mine.  :)

I agree about the cross-posting - and my hunch is that will come with time.  Like any new outreach idea, it will
need some time to mature, and it may not work out - but I think this one is worth trying.  If it doesn't work
(although I personally expect it will) - we'll try something else.  :)

Thanks!
-greg

On 1 Jul, 2012, at 6:02 PM, Michael Peel <michael.peel@...> wrote:

> Hey Greg,
> 
> Great answer - thanks. :-) It does sound like that's quite a distinct audience here that most likely
wouldn't be interested in the other emails that are sent to WikimediaAnnounce-l (e.g. chapter and WMF
reports). I hope that there will be appropriate cross-posting to both lists for announcements that
are/may be of interest to both audiences.
> 
> Thanks,
> Mike
> 
> On 1 Jul 2012, at 22:49, Gregory Varnum wrote:
> 
>> Hey Mike,
>> 
>> I'm not sure I have a very satisfying answer beyond - I think we did not want to "spam" a low-traffic list
largely made up of non-developers with developer related updates.
>> 
>> My sense is this list's target audience is a rather niche group of volunteers.  However, their size is
often disproportionate to the value they can contribute as developers.  Many are paid to maintain
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Lori Phillips | 2 Jul 2012 15:46
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Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Public Art (WLPA) needs your help

Thanks John,

It's exciting to see this getting off the ground. I want to remind that
WikiProject Public Art was established two years ago as a model for
photographing, researching, and creating articles about Public Artworks. It
was established under the leadership of Richard McCoy, conservator of
objects at the Indianapolis Museum of Art, and Jennifer Mikulay, a public
arts scholar and professor, both of which are Wikipedians in their own
right.  While the Wikipedia Loves Public Art project may be photo-based,
the resources developed within WikiProject Public Art could prove useful -
and I hope that the wikiproject can plan a role.

I admit that the image guide and some of the process can be US-centric, if
only to keep us sane in developing this model to start. But it can be a
good jumping off point.

With Jane's suggestion of article-creation, I wanted to specifically point
out that WikiProject:Public Art has as its core goal the creation of
articles about Public Art, rather than image gathering. So if you're
interested in that being a component of Wikipedia Loves Public Art, there
are step by step guides that could be useful resources.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Public_art

This would also be useful to share on the public GLAM list as well! cc'ing
now : ).

Let me know if you have any questions,
Lori

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David Richfield | 2 Jul 2012 16:25
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Re: TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under advertising pressure.

That's the nice thing about the Internet: What Wikipedia doesn't want,
some people will host, and what they don't want, some other people
will host.  Everyone has standards; the standards just differ from
project to project.

On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Mike  Dupont
<jamesmikedupont@...> wrote:
> well i can give you copies of the scripts, the articles are still on
> archive org, I dont want to host them,
> mike
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WereSpielChequers | 2 Jul 2012 23:50
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Commons down

After ten minute and three unsuccessful attempts to categorise an image via
Hotcat I've now got the following error message:

 Request: GET
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Images_from_the_Geograph_British_Isles_project_needing_categories_in_grid_SU1026,
from 91.198.174.56 via amssq33.esams.wikimedia.org (squid/2.7.STABLE9) to ()
Error: ERR_CANNOT_FORWARD, errno (11) Resource temporarily unavailable at
Mon, 02 Jul 2012 21:45:48 GMT

Normally Commons only goes down for a minute or so at a time, any one know
what the problem is this evening?

WSC
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