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Mark Williamson | 1 Sep 04:06
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Re: moderate this list

If you're going to tell us what we "need" to do, may we tell you what
you need to do as well? I have a few ideas.

Mark

On 8/31/09, Anthony <wikimail@...> wrote:
> What I think I might do is come up with a list of individuals who I am going
> to limit my replies to or reply to privately, because either I rarely reach
> a consensus with them or we rarely discuss things that are interesting to
> anyone else.
> It's a fine line, though.  Personally I don't see what's wrong with treating
> mailing lists a lot like IRC (or, to use a newfangled and even more maligned
> reference, twitter).  I really think people need to get over the fact that
> they don't need to process every single e-mail which appears in their inbox
> when they come back from a week vacation.  They need to pick certain high
> traffic mailing lists, and purge (or archive, if they're fortunate enough to
> have gmail-size storage).  If there were a separate announcement list it
> might be easier for people to accept this fact of reality.
>
> Anyway, if anyone wants to *privately* send me a list of names of people
> they think I should limit my replies to, please do.  You don't have to put
> Thomas on the list.  I know how y'all feel about him already, which doesn't
> mean I agree with it (I haven't decided if he goes on the list or not).
>
> On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 3:11 AM, Mark Williamson <node.ue@...> wrote:
>
>> In general, though, I think if we all put you on our personal block
>> lists, I think that would probably reduce the amount you posted. I
>> don't like that as an option though because like I said before, you do
>> contribute good ideas to this list.
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Mark Williamson | 1 Sep 04:10
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Re: 31 august, 20 years of our national holiday "Our romanian language" in Moldova, mo.wikipedia still in cyrillic !

I think it is fair to say that no language "belongs" to a country, it
belongs to all speakers... what about the hundreds of thousands of
people who write Moldovan in Cyrillic?

Also I'm curious what Geni feels about them - using "mo" to refer to
Cyrillic Moldovan is not, in my view, "inaccurate", although it is not
as specific as perhaps it sh/could be.

Mark

On 8/31/09, Cetateanu Moldovanu <cetateanumd <at> gmail.com> wrote:
>>the world the language that you claim to be "your own" is written in
>
> I said OUR, OUR country, OUR language, OUR latin script and alphabet. Please
> respect us.
>
> "The Moldovan language has often been successfully identified as and called
> Romanian."
> That's very true, that's why I'm asking, that's why I'm (and others
> too) iritated to see "Молдовеняскэ" on your front page, just like in the
> soviet occupation times.
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Gerard Meijssen
> <gerard.meijssen <at> gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hoi,
>> French, English, German, Tamil and many other languages are not only
>> spoken
>> in the "country of origin". The Moldovan language has often been
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Anthony | 1 Sep 04:51
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Re: moderate this list

On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 10:06 PM, Mark Williamson <node.ue@...> wrote:

> If you're going to tell us what we "need" to do, may we tell you what
> you need to do as well? I have a few ideas.
>
> Mark

Isn't that what you've been doing this entire thread?  In any case, sure,
feel free.
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Mark Williamson | 1 Sep 07:18
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Re: moderate this list

I've been telling you what I would like you to do. That's quite different.

On 8/31/09, Anthony <wikimail@...> wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 10:06 PM, Mark Williamson <node.ue@...> wrote:
>
>> If you're going to tell us what we "need" to do, may we tell you what
>> you need to do as well? I have a few ideas.
>>
>> Mark
>
>
> Isn't that what you've been doing this entire thread?  In any case, sure,
> feel free.
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Manuel Schneider | 1 Sep 07:41
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Re: RegioWikiCamp - September 25-27, Germany

Hi Brianna and *,

Am Montag, 31. August 2009 16:17:24 schrieb Brianna Laugher:
> "It will be from September 25th to 27th. The event is located in
> Furtwangen the middle of the beautiful Black Forest in Germany. It is
> organised by the European Regiowiki Society, location host is the
> faculty of Digital Media of the Furtwangen University of Applied
> Science."

While I will definitely not go there, this is not far from my place.

If you need a hub to get there - feel free to contact me.
Unfortunately Furtwangen is a very remote place right in the middle of the 
black forest.
While nice during summer in winter they have got the highest suicidal rate at 
the university there as you're really stuck in a dark valley up there with 
not many possibilities to do something or to get somewhere.

Ways to get there:
By train from Switzerland, Germany, France 
via Basel (national stations for all three national railways)
via ICE to Offenburg
via RE to Triberg
then bus to Furtwangen

By aircraft fly to EuroAirport Basel/Freiburg/Mulhouse IATA BSL/MLH/EAP
take the swiss exit
via Bus line 50 to Basel SBB
then via train as described above
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Milos Rancic | 1 Sep 07:55
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Re: 31 august, 20 years of our national holiday "Our romanian language" in Moldova, mo.wikipedia still in cyrillic !

On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Marcus Buck<me <at> marcusbuck.org> wrote:
> David Gerard hett schreven:
>> 2009/8/31 Cetateanu Moldovanu <cetateanumd <at> gmail.com>:
>>
>>
>>> I said OUR, OUR country, OUR language, OUR latin script and alphabet. Please
>>> respect us.
>>>
>>
>>
>> If  by "respect" you mean "agree" and "do what I say" ... then I'm not
>> surprised you have no insight as to why no-one cares about your
>> request.
>>
>>
>> - d.
>>
> I care about his request (which is reasonable, as geni pointed out) and
> I'm sure many other people care too, but don't speak up in this forum.
> Of course it can be annoying, if somebody asks for the same thing again
> and again, but as his request is reasonable, the only thing you can do
> about it is executing the request. The only reason why this is not done
> yet is that nobody, who has the power to do it, cares about it. I really
> disagree with the foundation people more and more loosing touch with the
> communities. It's not just this request. It's also the fact, that
> bugzilla bugs are not worked on for weeks and months, delays in software
> rollouts, and the low worth that is given to community worktime (like
> the example given by Tisza Gergő or the thousands of manhours that are
> wasted every day with setting interwikis which could easily be saved, if
> we had a central interwiki repository and if this repository wouldn't be
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Peter Gervai | 1 Sep 08:37
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Re: 31 august, 20 years of our national holiday "Our romanian language" in Moldova, mo.wikipedia still in cyrillic !

On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 04:10, Mark Williamson<node.ue@...> wrote:
> I think it is fair to say that no language "belongs" to a country, it
> belongs to all speakers... what about the hundreds of thousands of
> people who write Moldovan in Cyrillic?

According to Wikipedia (the enciclopaedia libre of the internet, did
you know that? ;)) article
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moldovan_language:

The standard alphabet is Latin (currently official in the Republic of
Moldova). Before 1989, also two versions of Cyrillic had been used:
the Moldovan Cyrillic alphabet in 1940-89, and the historical Romanian
Cyrillic alphabet until 1857. As of 2008[update], the former remains
in use only in Transnistria.

This suggests that
1) language identification 'mo' is written in latin,
2) it _is_ the _moldovan_ language,
3) it is used by 90% of the population (4 million+).

This hints to me as well that there is a language, which is the same,
but written in cyrillic script and used in Transnistria (400 000+
people), but:
1) I do not know its ISO code (definitely not "mo"),
2) I do not remember the policy to host the same language in different
scripts, but if we support that, we should follow the already applied
naming convention (I tend to remember something similar about serbian
wp?)

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Mark Williamson | 1 Sep 08:59
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Re: 31 august, 20 years of our national holiday "Our romanian language" in Moldova, mo.wikipedia still in cyrillic !

When you say "that _is_ the _moldovan_ language"... how does Cyrillic
writing make it not Moldovan anymore? Also, there is a very clear
notice at the top directing people to Latin-alphabet content - it's
not as if anybody is actually deprived of being able to read in their
preferred script or is difficult to find.

Mark

On 8/31/09, Peter Gervai <grinapo@...> wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 04:10, Mark Williamson<node.ue@...> wrote:
>> I think it is fair to say that no language "belongs" to a country, it
>> belongs to all speakers... what about the hundreds of thousands of
>> people who write Moldovan in Cyrillic?
>
> According to Wikipedia (the enciclopaedia libre of the internet, did
> you know that? ;)) article
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moldovan_language:
>
> The standard alphabet is Latin (currently official in the Republic of
> Moldova). Before 1989, also two versions of Cyrillic had been used:
> the Moldovan Cyrillic alphabet in 1940-89, and the historical Romanian
> Cyrillic alphabet until 1857. As of 2008[update], the former remains
> in use only in Transnistria.
>
> This suggests that
> 1) language identification 'mo' is written in latin,
> 2) it _is_ the _moldovan_ language,
> 3) it is used by 90% of the population (4 million+).
>
> This hints to me as well that there is a language, which is the same,
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Mark Williamson | 1 Sep 09:08
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Re: 31 august, 20 years of our national holiday "Our romanian language" in Moldova, mo.wikipedia still in cyrillic !

2 things as well:

If your language is called "Romanian", as you contend in the topic
line, why do you care about the Moldovan WP? You can't have your cake
and eat it too.

Also, the name of the holiday is not "Our romanian language", it's
just "Our Language", there is very specifically no mention of the name
because this is controversial. Same with the national anthem - not
once does it mention Moldova, Moldovan, Romania, or Romanian, although
it does talk a lot about the beauty of the language. Also it does not
mention alphabets.

Mark

On 8/31/09, Cetateanu Moldovanu <cetateanumd <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> 20 years ago on 27 august 1989, 700 000 of moldovans (of a 4 millions
> popoulation) went to the center of Chișinău (the capital of Moldova) to the
> *Piața Marii Adunări Naționale*, the biggest square in the city, and shout
> "limbă alfabet" (language and the alphabet) and for country independence,
> that event is called "Great National Assembly" (Marea Adunare Națională)
> which declared it's language "Moldavian" and it's script "LATIN".
> (here are a documental movie about this event
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BSfmhLOxO0, in the 4th part you can find
> that declaration)
>
> Please respect that wish and delete the cyrllic mo.wikipedia.org that claims
> to be our language, and remove/change the name of our language written in
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Mark Williamson | 1 Sep 09:15
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Re: 31 august, 20 years of our national holiday "Our romanian language" in Moldova, mo.wikipedia still in cyrillic !

> 2) I do not remember the policy to host the same language in different
> scripts, but if we support that, we should follow the already applied
> naming convention (I tend to remember something similar about serbian
> wp?)

In general the policy is that if we can create a converter we should.
In this case it is possible to create a pretty good conversion system
- there are relatively basic rules although there are exceptions which
could be easily programmed - but I don't anticipate the ro.wp
community would be too thrilled about having an tab to view their
Wikipedia in Cyrillic. If we did so though I imagine that would mostly
resolve this issue once and for all.

Mark

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