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Andrew Whitworth | 1 Oct 01:01
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Re: Chapters coordinator: wrapping up the role

On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Florence Devouard
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> I expect more presence and will and strength from the chapter committee
> members than they have showed till now, to help us progress in this
> direction.

More presence!?! I'm already on the internet 25 hours per day, how
much more present can I be?

I jest, of course. The chapcom has been gearing up lately to be more
active and more efficient then in times in the past, I have high hopes
that we continue that trend into the future, and I have hopes that the
board will be able to keep up with all the business we send their way!

--Andrew Whitworth

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Jussi-Ville Heiskanen | 1 Oct 01:03
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Re: Chapters coordinator: wrapping up the role

Florence Devouard wrote:
> As for the future, just as you do, I hope that the disappearance of the
> chapter coordinator role will indeed be an energy shot, a reboot, a new 
> birth, and that in the future, the WMF and the chapters will 
> successfully cooperate to ensure a worldwide positive presence.
> I expect more presence and will and strength from the chapter committee 
> members than they have showed till now, to help us progress in this 
> direction. I also hope that the board of Wikimedia Foundation will 
> rapidly name a new board representative as a gesture to prove their 
> interest to work with the little sisters of WMF.
>
>   

You will forgive me if I am more than a little confused by
that hope. What gesture above and beyond already having
instituted several (rather than a single designated) positions
on the board selected by the chapters, would you actually
want to see? And what do you mean "rapidly"? I am totally
unable to understand where these hopes spring from.

Surely gestures by the board are totally irrelevant at this
point.

Yours,

Jussi-Ville Heiskanen

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Andrew Whitworth | 1 Oct 01:12
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Re: Agenda for October board meeting

On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 5:26 PM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
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> But let us be very clear. Florence did not quit. She declined
> the opportunity to be evaluated for her job performance by
> the community. For whatever reason.

This seems to be an awfully hostile and unnecessary "clarification"
here. When a person who holds an elected position chooses not to run
for reelection, I see no reason not to say that that person "quit" the
position. Basically, it's word play here, and it's being twisted to
cast Florence in a negative light that I don't think is deserved.

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Jussi-Ville Heiskanen | 1 Oct 01:15
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Re: Freedom, standards, and file formats

Erik Moeller wrote:
>
> I don't think there's any question that we are committed to making
> sure that every piece of user-facing content, including interactivity,
> can be accessed using 100% open source software. That's an important
> consensus. The primary issue is the question of parallel distribution,
> which is one on which reasonable people can disagree. We should
> collect as much data as possible to help the Board reach a decision on
> that question.
>
>   

Simply because your first statement is in fact totally inaccurate, it is 
clearly a very useful clarification, coming as it does, from someone in 
your position.

:-)

Nevertheless, the statement is not in any shape or form relevant to the 
discussion about document formats. (For those joining the discussion 
late, software and document formats are quite separate things, only very 
tangentially and rarely significantly meeting - I think the brouhaha 
about Lempel-Ziv buried that question for a while)

I don't think suggesting that nailing down that we are committed to 
software being 100% open source, but "flexible" on formats, is a useful 
contribution to the discussion on that front, but more akin to a red 
herring. I think I have said this before. And I think I will continue to 
repeat this whenever given the chance, "ceterum censeo".
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Florence Devouard | 1 Oct 01:18
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Re: Chapters coordinator: wrapping up the role

Andrew Whitworth wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Florence Devouard
<Anthere9@...> wrote:
>> I expect more presence and will and strength from the chapter committee
>> members than they have showed till now, to help us progress in this
>> direction.
> 
> More presence!?! I'm already on the internet 25 hours per day, how
> much more present can I be?

THAT is too much then :-)

Ant

>d> I jest, of course. The chapcom has been gearing up lately to be more
> active and more efficient then in times in the past, I have high hopes
> that we continue that trend into the future, and I have hopes that the
> board will be able to keep up with all the business we send their way!
> 
> --Andrew Whitworth
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Florence Devouard | 1 Oct 01:26
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Re: Agenda for October board meeting

Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote:
> Florence Devouard wrote:
> 
> 
>> Staff
>> Related topic. Part of the job of the board is to set into place a 
>> management (the ED), and then to regularly evaluate the job of the 
>> management. Of course, such an evaluation can only be honestly done when 
>> the management is given a collection of measurable goals to reach. When 
>> I quit the board, Sue had been there for a year. 
> 
> Since no-one other than me has stood up to clarify the above,
> purely in the interests of leaving nobody on this list with an
> incorrect impression of the way things went about the board
> of trustees (even if they joined this list very lately); let us all be
> very clear that Florence Devouard never resigned from the
> board (despite her very confusing use of the word "quit" above).
> 
> What Florence Devouard did do was to refrain from contesting
> the election, and putting herself forward for evaluation by the
> community as to whether she deserved to serve on the board
> another term. While it is sad that *her* performance was not
> judged by the community in this manner, we can merely speculate
> what its outcome would have been.
> 
> But let us be very clear. Florence did not quit. She declined
> the opportunity to be evaluated for her job performance by
> the community. For whatever reason.
> 
>
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Florence Devouard | 1 Oct 01:35
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Re: Chapters coordinator: wrapping up the role

Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote:
> Florence Devouard wrote:
>> As for the future, just as you do, I hope that the disappearance of the
>> chapter coordinator role will indeed be an energy shot, a reboot, a new 
>> birth, and that in the future, the WMF and the chapters will 
>> successfully cooperate to ensure a worldwide positive presence.
>> I expect more presence and will and strength from the chapter committee 
>> members than they have showed till now, to help us progress in this 
>> direction. I also hope that the board of Wikimedia Foundation will 
>> rapidly name a new board representative as a gesture to prove their 
>> interest to work with the little sisters of WMF.
>>
>>   
> 
> You will forgive me if I am more than a little confused by
> that hope. What gesture above and beyond already having
> instituted several (rather than a single designated) positions
> on the board selected by the chapters, would you actually
> want to see? And what do you mean "rapidly"? I am totally
> unable to understand where these hopes spring from.
> 
> Surely gestures by the board are totally irrelevant at this
> point.
> 
> 
> Yours,
> 
> Jussi-Ville Heiskanen

The chapter committee membership includes mandatorily a board
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Gregory Maxwell | 1 Oct 01:47
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Re: Freedom, standards, and file formats

On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 9:52 PM, Erik Moeller <erik@...> wrote:
> 2008/9/27 Gregory Maxwell <gmaxwell@...>:
>> The existing system correctly plays back for an overwhelming majority
>> of users (I posted some stats on this two years ago or so)
>
> Could you give a link, just for reference purposes?

Ugh archive searching.

Here is one:
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2007-March/028210.html

"The last weeks data of 143,530 unique IPs shows that 79% of the IPs
hitting the Java audio player on toolserver have a Java Virtual
Machine. However, of those only 78% (61% of the total) have a JRE new
enough to use Jorbis. I believe Cortando has a resampler in it to
permit it work on the old MSFT JVMs, so it should do better.  The
number is skewed a bit by the fact that people without java are
unlikely to vist again soon since it didn't work, and are somewhat
better than my initial numbers, but I've also improved compatibility
dramatically since then."

(In the months that post the player was changed to something with
dramatically more JVM compatibility.)

We should basically expect the current success rate to be the total
number of people with a working Java install, which should include all
recent Macs, plus perhaps a percent with support from other supported
modes (Firefox 3.1alpha, Opera alpha, VLC, QT+XiphQT, totem plugin).
If it's not that high then there is something that we've done wrong.
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Jussi-Ville Heiskanen | 1 Oct 01:51
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Re: Chapters coordinator: wrapping up the role

Florence Devouard wrote:
> Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote:
>   
>> Florence Devouard wrote:
>>     
>>> As for the future, just as you do, I hope that the disappearance of the
>>> chapter coordinator role will indeed be an energy shot, a reboot, a new 
>>> birth, and that in the future, the WMF and the chapters will 
>>> successfully cooperate to ensure a worldwide positive presence.
>>> I expect more presence and will and strength from the chapter committee 
>>> members than they have showed till now, to help us progress in this 
>>> direction. I also hope that the board of Wikimedia Foundation will 
>>> rapidly name a new board representative as a gesture to prove their 
>>> interest to work with the little sisters of WMF.
>>>
>>>   
>>>       
>> You will forgive me if I am more than a little confused by
>> that hope. What gesture above and beyond already having
>> instituted several (rather than a single designated) positions
>> on the board selected by the chapters, would you actually
>> want to see? And what do you mean "rapidly"? I am totally
>> unable to understand where these hopes spring from.
>>
>> Surely gestures by the board are totally irrelevant at this
>> point.
>>
>>
>> Yours,
>>
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Thomas Dalton | 1 Oct 01:53
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Re: Chapters coordinator: wrapping up the role

> Okay, there you really did confuse me totally.
>
> Just goes to show that text does not work as
> telepathy. I really could not follow what you
> were thinking about, and I had no clue you
> were talking about a position that Frieda had
> been filling.
>
> When I read "board representative" I thought
> you meant trustee. Silly me.

Yes, you're definitely confused... Frieda was a trustee...

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