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Ray Saintonge | 1 Jul 2008 01:04

Re: identity disclosure and access to OTRS/Checkuser

Ryan wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 5:26 PM, Mark Williamson <node.ue@...> wrote:
>   
>> sounds funny. source?
>>     
> Slashdot:  http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/06/29/1745256
>
>   
Great!  Maybe after the machines have figured out that a photo is a two 
dimensional object the kids can start wearing Hallowe'en face masks. :-)

Ec

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Phil Nash | 1 Jul 2008 01:18
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Re: identity disclosure and access to OTRS/Checkuser

Ray Saintonge wrote:
>> Ryan wrote:
>>> On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 5:26 PM, Mark Williamson
>>> <node.ue@...> wrote:
>>>
>>>> sounds funny. source?
>>>>
>>> Slashdot:  http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/06/29/1745256
>>>
>>>
>> Great!  Maybe after the machines have figured out that a photo is a
>> two dimensional object the kids can start wearing Hallowe'en face
>> masks. :-)

Then the machine operators wonder why they're selling so many cigarettes to 
George W. Bush, and why is he spending so much time in Japan anyway.......

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Gerard Meijssen | 1 Jul 2008 19:39
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Implementing the Babel extension

Hoi.
The Babel templates are widely used on the Wikimedia Foundation's wikis.
Implementing them is a lot of work; you need more then 1000 templates just
to cover the languages that the Wikimedia Foundation supports in its
projects. Several Wikis have templates to support additional languages. For
the bigger projects this is no longer an issue as the templates have already
been created, but for many of the smaller projects getting the Babel
information implemented is a lot of work. It would be great if the time
could be saved to do something that is really useful like writing articles.

At Betawiki we have been working hard to create a Babel extension. The great
news of an extension is, that there is no need to do anything but implement
the extension. We currently think that the software is at a state where we
would like to invite the last comments leading to the implementation on all
the WMF wikis.

Thanks,
     Gerard
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effe iets anders | 1 Jul 2008 20:38
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Re: Implementing the Babel extension

Hi Gerard,

thanks for asking for comments. Where can we find the
proposal/explanation/code and where to put those comments? :)

BR, Lodewijk

2008/7/1 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@...>:
> Hoi.
> The Babel templates are widely used on the Wikimedia Foundation's wikis.
> Implementing them is a lot of work; you need more then 1000 templates just
> to cover the languages that the Wikimedia Foundation supports in its
> projects. Several Wikis have templates to support additional languages. For
> the bigger projects this is no longer an issue as the templates have already
> been created, but for many of the smaller projects getting the Babel
> information implemented is a lot of work. It would be great if the time
> could be saved to do something that is really useful like writing articles.
>
> At Betawiki we have been working hard to create a Babel extension. The great
> news of an extension is, that there is no need to do anything but implement
> the extension. We currently think that the software is at a state where we
> would like to invite the last comments leading to the implementation on all
> the WMF wikis.
>
> Thanks,
>     Gerard
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Jay Walsh | 1 Jul 2008 22:23
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Wikimedia Foundation 2008-2009 Annual Plan


Hello everyone - this note is cross-posted on the Wikimedia blog at:
http://blog.wikimedia.org/2008/07/01/wikimedia-foundation-2008-2009-annual-plan/

Earlier today we uploaded the Wikimedia Foundation’s 2008/2009 Annual Plan
presentation and Questions and Answers page to the Wikimedia Wiki.  These
materials were approved at the June 20 Board of Trustees meeting.  They can be
accessed via the Finance Report page:
http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Finance_report

Posting our plan and (hopefully) answering some of your questions in advance is
part of our commitment to providing transparent information about the Foundation’s
goals and spending.

The Annual Plan lays out projected spending through the next fiscal year (which
for us starts today and runs the rest of the year).  The plan describes spending
in our three main operational areas: technology, programming, and financeand
administration.  We also introduce our 2008/2009 organizational goals, which we
hope to discuss in more detail in the coming months.

For your information and awareness!

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-- 
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WikimediaFoundation.org
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Gerard Meijssen | 1 Jul 2008 23:01
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Re: Implementing the Babel extension

Hoi,
Like any extension, the Babel extension has its documentation on the
Mediawiki.org website :) The extension is in use on Betawiki itself, yes we
eat our own dogfood :) We are happy with its functionality, it is
configurable..

As to comments or discussion, there is already a page on Meta.. there has
also been a lot of discussion so far has been largely on IRC.

Thanks,
       GerardM

http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Babel
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Babel_extension

On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 8:38 PM, effe iets anders <effeietsanders@...>
wrote:

> Hi Gerard,
>
> thanks for asking for comments. Where can we find the
> proposal/explanation/code and where to put those comments? :)
>
> BR, Lodewijk
>
> 2008/7/1 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@...>:
> > Hoi.
> > The Babel templates are widely used on the Wikimedia Foundation's wikis.
> > Implementing them is a lot of work; you need more then 1000 templates
> just
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Brion Vibber | 1 Jul 2008 23:51
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Re: Implementing the Babel extension

Gerard Meijssen wrote:
> Hoi.
> The Babel templates are widely used on the Wikimedia Foundation's wikis.
> Implementing them is a lot of work; you need more then 1000 templates just
> to cover the languages that the Wikimedia Foundation supports in its
> projects.

That is of course ridiculous, only a couple of templates should be 
required for "box with a number in it".

-- brion
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Gerard Meijssen | 1 Jul 2008 23:59
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Re: Implementing the Babel extension

Hoi,
If there was only a number in it... There is however a text in the templates
in the language that is indicated, the text is RTL or LTR where applicable.
Anyway, I agree with you that such a high number of templates is not really
what we want. and consequently the Babel extension provides a really welcome
relief.
Thanks.
     GerardM

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> Gerard Meijssen wrote:
> > Hoi.
> > The Babel templates are widely used on the Wikimedia Foundation's wikis.
> > Implementing them is a lot of work; you need more then 1000 templates
> just
> > to cover the languages that the Wikimedia Foundation supports in its
> > projects.
>
> That is of course ridiculous, only a couple of templates should be
> required for "box with a number in it".
>
> -- brion
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Simetrical | 2 Jul 2008 00:07
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Implementing the Babel extension

On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 5:51 PM, Brion Vibber <brion@...> wrote:
> That is of course ridiculous, only a couple of templates should be
> required for "box with a number in it".

Remarkably, at least some of them appear to be manually-typed-out
HTML, or substed or something.  Apparently people didn't believe in
meta-templates?

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:User_ksh&action=edit
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:User_zh&action=edit

Some use a template . . .

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:User_de&action=edit

. . . but it's {{userbox}}.  Evidently something like

{{babel|de|German language|Dieser Benutzer spricht '''[[:Category:User
de|Deutsch]]''' als '''[[:Category:User de-N|Muttersprache]]'''.}}

didn't seem useful to anyone.

To be fair, though, you really do have to have one template for each
language/proficiency combination, if you want the sentence saying
"This user speaks Old Church Slavonic on a native level" or whatever
properly translated to each and every one of the hundreds of languages
that at least one person speaks.  Whether this is grounds for an
extension, rather than a bunch of master templates on Meta that get
copied out to the projects regularly by friendly neighborhood bots, is
a separate question.  (Now, if the extension were one to enable scary
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Ilmari Karonen | 2 Jul 2008 00:31
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Re: [Foundation-l] Implementing the Babel extension

Bah, forgot to Cc this to foundation-l and wikipedia-l.  Sorry for the 
repost, wikitech.

Simetrical wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 5:51 PM, Brion Vibber <brion@...> wrote:
>> That is of course ridiculous, only a couple of templates should be
>> required for "box with a number in it".
> 
> Remarkably, at least some of them appear to be manually-typed-out
> HTML, or substed or something.  Apparently people didn't believe in
> meta-templates?
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:User_ksh&action=edit
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:User_zh&action=edit
> 
> Some use a template . . .
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:User_de&action=edit
> 
> . . . but it's {{userbox}}.  Evidently something like
> 
> {{babel|de|German language|Dieser Benutzer spricht '''[[:Category:User
> de|Deutsch]]''' als '''[[:Category:User de-N|Muttersprache]]'''.}}
> 
> didn't seem useful to anyone.

The Babel templates are the _original_ userboxes.  The others, like
"This user likes strawberry ice cream", came around later when people
started creating their own parodies and imitations of the Babel boxes.
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