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Anthere | 1 May 2004 20:25
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[Foundation-l] Contributors list

First, I apology for breaking the thread. Gname is not
working for me for wikipedia-l and foundation-l, and I
know not why.

"A" == Anthere 
<anthere9-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@...>
writes:

    A> So, tel me if I understand well, to comply with
the gfdl the
    A> best we can (and we already know it is
problematic), what you
    A> suggest is to list first the real name
contributors, followed
    A> by pseudonymes, then by ips.

OK, so, this feature is on its way with 1.3. I'm less
concerned with
the GFDL than with the Creative Commons
Attribution-style licenses, by
the way, which is what Wikitravel uses.

I'm not sure if this feature will be enabled on any of
the Wikimedia
projects, or how. My main concern is to make it easy
for people
redistributing Wikitravel content to conform to the
attribution
requirements of our license.
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Peter Jaros | 1 May 2004 22:05

Re: [Foundation-l] Registering Wikimedia trademarks

On Apr 28, 2004, at 8:31 PM, Toby Bartels wrote:

> But try marketing /your/ soft drink as "light, crisp, and refreshing".
> If you don't respond to their inevitable order to cease and desist,
> then they'll register their original phrase, sue you, and win!
> (OK, so IANAL, but I'll still bet that they'd win.)

Then (realizing YANAL) is there any risk in waiting until someone truly
pushes the issue to register?

Peter

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Peter Jaros | 1 May 2004 22:15

Re: Re: Registering Wikimedia trademarks

On Apr 29, 2004, at 1:32 AM, Michael Snow wrote:

> Pepsi would probably try all kinds of things to make you stop, but I'm 
> much more skeptical about whether they could win a lawsuit. Trademark 
> protection is normally denied for terms that are merely descriptive of 
> the goods or services involved. I'm not a trademark examiner, but my 
> conclusion would be that "light, crisp, and refreshing" are simply 
> descriptive terms, so they can't be a trademark.

Sort of like "fair and balanced?"

:)

Peter

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Gabriel Beecham | 1 May 2004 22:59
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Legal challenge from Enforcer

I have just come across the user page of
Enforcer(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Enforcer),
a troll who has today challenged the right of
Wikimedia to seek charitable donations outside of
Florida .

He says he has done research finding that the
foundation is breaking the law, and appears to have
groomed "potential complainants" to file lawsuits
against the Wikimedia Foundation in their respective
states. I'm no legal person, so could anyone tell me
whether what he is saying is correct, whether anything
needs to be rectified, who he really is (in terms of a
user), and how he can be dealt with?

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Michael Snow | 2 May 2004 03:15
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[Foundation-l] Re: Registering Wikimedia trademarks

Peter Jaros wrote:

> On Apr 29, 2004, at 1:32 AM, Michael Snow wrote:
>
>> Pepsi would probably try all kinds of things to make you stop, but 
>> I'm much more skeptical about whether they could win a lawsuit. 
>> Trademark protection is normally denied for terms that are merely 
>> descriptive of the goods or services involved. I'm not a trademark 
>> examiner, but my conclusion would be that "light, crisp, and 
>> refreshing" are simply descriptive terms, so they can't be a trademark.
>
> Sort of like "fair and balanced?" 

Trademark protection is not available for merely descriptive terms, or 
for deceptively misdescriptive terms. So regardless of whether you 
actually believe this particular network's slogan, it shouldn't be a 
trademark, right?

As it turns out, "fair & balanced" is a registered trademark (actually a 
service mark, since news broadcasts are a service and not a commodity). 
One thing I neglected to discuss is that descriptive terms can become 
trademarks if they acquire "secondary meaning". This pretty much means 
that the term becomes so closely connected with the product or service 
that the public automatically associates the two. You may note that I 
have been coy about identifying the owner of this mark, but I expect 
that most people reading this have already recognized that it belongs to 
Fox News. I think that illustrates my point about secondary meaning, and 
gives Fox a decent argument for trademark status.

Anyway, this prompted me to look up whether Pepsi has actually filed
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Tim Starling | 2 May 2004 19:26
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Wiktionaries for all!

I've set up Wiktionaries for all 146 languages that have a Wikipedia.
There's known teething problems, however they should be good be working well
enough now for people to get started. The most important problem is that
many languages have a project namespace of "Wikipedia" (or the
transliterated equivalent), but the interface messages point to
"Wiktionary". I suggest that for the time being, people should put pages in
the real Wikipedia: namespace, and set up redirects from the Wiktionary:
pseudo-namespace where necessary. Wiktionaries with no language file, or
with language files which use $wgMetaNamespace, do not suffer this problem.

The MediaWiki namespaces have been copied from the associated Wikipedias,
with the local term for "Wikipedia" replaced by "Wiktionary".

To request adminship or bureaucratship on the new wiktionaries, go to:

http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_Wiktionary_permissions

I've set up a few basic kinds of interwiki links, which may be expanded or
modified in the future. The "w:" prefix should link to the Wikipedia in the
same language. Language prefixes link to other language Wiktionaries. To
link to a different language Wikipedia, use [[Wikipedia:xx:Page]].

This brings the total number of wikis to 298. There's a few technical and
administrative changes which occurred to make this happen. Stewards should
know that they can change the rights of users on the wiktionaries by
appending "wiktionary" to the language code, e.g. "Tim
Starling@..." . Wikis such as sources and sep11 can now only be
accessed by appending "wiki", i.e. metawiki, sourceswiki, quotewiki,
sep11wiki and textbookwiki.
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Camille Constans | 2 May 2004 20:18

Re: Wiktionaries for all!

On Mon, 3 May 2004 03:26:36 +1000
"Tim Starling" <ts4294967296@...> wrote:

> I've set up Wiktionaries for all 146 languages that have a Wikipedia.
> There's known teething problems, however they should be good be working well
> enough now for people to get started. The most important problem is that
> many languages have a project namespace of "Wikipedia" (or the
> transliterated equivalent), but the interface messages point to
> "Wiktionary". I suggest that for the time being, people should put pages in
> the real Wikipedia: namespace, and set up redirects from the Wiktionary:
> pseudo-namespace where necessary. Wiktionaries with no language file, or
> with language files which use $wgMetaNamespace, do not suffer this problem.

Dump of wiktionaries can be found on http://download.wikimedia.org/index_wiktionary.php
I put a link from download.wikimedia.org

I will set up another page for 'special' wikis like quote, meta later.

Shaihulud
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Peter Jaros | 3 May 2004 02:30

Re: Wiktionaries for all!

On May 2, 2004, at 1:26 PM, Tim Starling wrote:

> I've set up a few basic kinds of interwiki links, which may be 
> expanded or
> modified in the future. The "w:" prefix should link to the Wikipedia 
> in the
> same language. Language prefixes link to other language Wiktionaries. 
> To
> link to a different language Wikipedia, use [[Wikipedia:xx:Page]].

How do we link to the Wiktionaries?

Peter

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Anthere | 3 May 2004 07:55
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Information

When I joined Wikipedia more than 2 years ago, I
remember much unhappiness due to lack of information
of some parts of the project. For those who may not
have this memory (omg, I feel old in saying this),
lack of information lead to a fork. Though a fork is
certainly very unlikely these days, I believe the
growing feeling that fair process is not respected, is
bad for general spirit. 

I remember that situation improved a lot, partly
because mailing lists were reorganised, partly because
meta became multilingual, and mostly partly because
people made an effort to
1) give information and
2) give it at the right place
3) discuss things before deciding it (or at least gave
people the opportunity to discuss it)

Sorry to say that, but I think we are on the bad slope
again. And I think we should seriously think about it.

Typical signs which I believe show information flow is
broken again ?
-> I hear people complain on irc
-> We start mail crossing again in an attempt to
restructure mailing flow
-> Things are learned again, not by regular channel,
but by personal information network.

Couple of points
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Tomasz Sienicki | 3 May 2004 11:27
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Re: Wiktionaries for all!

 Tim Starling wrote:

>  I've set up a few basic kinds of interwiki links, which may be expanded or
>  modified in the future. The "w:" prefix should link to the Wikipedia in the
>  same language. Language prefixes link to other language Wiktionaries. To
>  link to a different language Wikipedia, use [[Wikipedia:xx:Page]].

 While it works on some wiktionaries, it doesn't on pl.wiktionary.org

 [[w:entry]] points to www.wikipedia.org (should be pl.wikipedia)
 [[de:entry]] points to de.wikipedia (should be de.wiktionary)
 [[Wikipedia:de:entry]] does not work at all

 Also, the updated lng file for the Polish Wiktionary was uploaded to 
 http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/LanguageWiktionaryPL.php a month ago.

 Thanks,
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