Peter Coombe | 1 Oct 03:42 2011

Re: A little wiki "hacking"

Interesting stat of the day: The second most visited Wikipedia in the
UK is Polish.
http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportPageViewsPerCountryBreakdownHuge.htm

The non-English 'local' languages don't even register in that
breakdown, being less than 0.1% of pageviews. Of course this could be
taken two ways:
* We shouldn't spend too much time on them if they're of such minority interest
* We need to spend time promoting them better, and making them viable projects

Pete / the wub

On 30 September 2011 18:05, Richard Farmbrough <richard <at> farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:
> It is certainly the case that there is  (European) money around these
> languages, indeed I have been trying to get the content of the European
> funded dictionaries released CC-By-...
>
> It is important to remember, though, as Thomas pointed out (and was
> pointed out by members of both Lang Com and WMF staff at Wikimania)
> that the aims of language revitalisers (or saviours), while closely
> allied with ours, are not identical.
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Chris Keating | 1 Oct 10:51 2011
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2012 Activity Plan

Dear all,


We have recently published the Wikimedia UK 2012 Activity Plan: http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/2012_Activity_Plan

This sets out what we will be doing in 2012 and what we are raising money for in the forthcoming Fundraiser. It isn't quite our 2012 Budget, which will be produced later in the year, with a clearer idea of how much money we actually raise and once Jon has a firmer idea of a staff structure and office costs.

Your comments on the Activity Plan would be very welcome and we will take them into account when we're setting the Budget. Please weigh in on the Talk page: http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:2012_Activity_Plan 

Regards,

Chris
Wikimedia UK Board




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Sam Reed | 3 Oct 16:48 2011
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Mozilla Festival/(Wikipedia|MediaWiki|Wikimedia) Human API

A bit of a heads up, more for European members, but welcome to anyone

 

Just wondering if there’s any interest in anyone attending Mozillas “Media, Freedom and the Web” Festival [1], 4th-6th November 2011 in London.

 

They are looking for people from communities (such as ours, will do a more public post) to form part of a Human API [2] team, helping people to hack and use Wikipedia et al in new ways. Or you can attend as a regular attendee and take part.

 

Would be quite nice if we can get a mix of technical members, and other related community people.

 

I know this is probably more relevant to some of the European based community, but it is open to all, so people from further afield would also be welcome if they wanted to attend!

 

Any interest?

 

 

 

Sam

 

 

[1] https://mozillafestival.org/

[2] https://mozillafestival.org/program/human-api/

 

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Sam Reed | 3 Oct 17:16 2011
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Re: Mozilla Festival/(Wikipedia|MediaWiki|Wikimedia) Human API

If there is any interest on this, please feel free to sign up at the Mozilla
Festival website, else contacting festival <at> mozilla.org

I have also been informed, depending on where you are coming from, and what
you're going to do throughout the event, there is a possibility of free
admission.

Some more information from the Mozilla foundation

We're reaching out to you because we'd like you to be our guest at the
Mozilla Festival in London November 4-6. The Festival's theme this year is
"Media, Freedom, and the Web," and we have cued up a number of hackfests,
design jams, and other discussions about some of the most pressing issues
facing journalism on the open web. 

A few examples of what we have brewing:

A deep dive into moving from real-time streams to big-picture pieces

https://mozillafestival.org/2011/09/28/flow-media/

Assembling a "utility belt" for data journalism

https://mozillafestival.org/2011/09/28/data-journalism/

A look into verifiability and identity on the web

https://mozillafestival.org/2011/09/28/verify-sources/

And tons more.

We think you being in London will make these activities even better.

For more information about the Mozilla Festival, please visit:
https://mozillafestival.org/

We'd love to see you in London! Please don't hesitate to write back with
questions.

Thanks so much.

From: Sam Reed [mailto:sam <at> reedyboy.net] 
Sent: 03 October 2011 15:49
To: 'wikimediauk-l <at> lists.wikimedia.org'; 'mediawiki-l <at> lists.wikimedia.org'
Subject: Mozilla Festival/(Wikipedia|MediaWiki|Wikimedia) Human API

A bit of a heads up, more for European members, but welcome to anyone

Just wondering if there's any interest in anyone attending Mozillas "Media,
Freedom and the Web" Festival [1], 4th-6th November 2011 in London.

They are looking for people from communities (such as ours, will do a more
public post) to form part of a Human API [2] team, helping people to hack
and use Wikipedia et al in new ways. Or you can attend as a regular attendee
and take part.

Would be quite nice if we can get a mix of technical members, and other
related community people.

I know this is probably more relevant to some of the European based
community, but it is open to all, so people from further afield would also
be welcome if they wanted to attend!

Any interest?

Sam

[1] https://mozillafestival.org/

[2] https://mozillafestival.org/program/human-api/
HJ Mitchell | 3 Oct 17:19 2011

Re: Mozilla Festival/(Wikipedia|MediaWiki|Wikimedia) Human API

Tell me more...

I might be down in London on the 5th, so I could easily extend my trip.

Harry

From: Sam Reed <sam <at> reedyboy.net>
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A bit of a heads up, more for European members, but welcome to anyone
 
Just wondering if there’s any interest in anyone attending Mozillas “Media, Freedom and the Web” Festival [1], 4th-6th November 2011 in London.
 
They are looking for people from communities (such as ours, will do a more public post) to form part of a Human API [2] team, helping people to hack and use Wikipedia et al in new ways. Or you can attend as a regular attendee and take part.
 
Would be quite nice if we can get a mix of technical members, and other related community people.
 
I know this is probably more relevant to some of the European based community, but it is open to all, so people from further afield would also be welcome if they wanted to attend!
 
Any interest?
 
 
 
Sam
 
 
 

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Michael Peel | 3 Oct 17:24 2011
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Re: Mozilla Festival/(Wikipedia|MediaWiki|Wikimedia) Human API

If any WMUK member is interested in attending this, but can't due to travel costs, then I'd encourage you to
apply for a microgrant:
http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Microgrants

Thanks,
Mike

On 3 Oct 2011, at 16:16, Sam Reed wrote:

> If there is any interest on this, please feel free to sign up at the Mozilla Festival website, else
contacting festival <at> mozilla.org
>  
> I have also been informed, depending on where you are coming from, and what you’re going to do throughout
the event, there is a possibility of free admission.
>  
>  
> Some more information from the Mozilla foundation
>  
> We're reaching out to you because we'd like you to be our guest at the Mozilla Festival in London November
4-6. The Festival's theme this year is "Media, Freedom, and the Web," and we have cued up a number of
hackfests, design jams, and other discussions about some of the most pressing issues facing journalism
on the open web. 
>  
> A few examples of what we have brewing:
>  
> A deep dive into moving from real-time streams to big-picture pieces
> https://mozillafestival.org/2011/09/28/flow-media/
>  
> Assembling a "utility belt" for data journalism
> https://mozillafestival.org/2011/09/28/data-journalism/
>  
> A look into verifiability and identity on the web
> https://mozillafestival.org/2011/09/28/verify-sources/
>  
> And tons more.
>  
> We think you being in London will make these activities even better.
>  
> For more information about the Mozilla Festival, please visit: https://mozillafestival.org/
>  
> We'd love to see you in London! Please don't hesitate to write back with questions.
>  
> Thanks so much.
>  
>  
> From: Sam Reed [mailto:sam <at> reedyboy.net] 
> Sent: 03 October 2011 15:49
> To: 'wikimediauk-l <at> lists.wikimedia.org'; 'mediawiki-l <at> lists.wikimedia.org'
> Subject: Mozilla Festival/(Wikipedia|MediaWiki|Wikimedia) Human API
>  
> A bit of a heads up, more for European members, but welcome to anyone
>  
> Just wondering if there’s any interest in anyone attending Mozillas “Media, Freedom and the Web”
Festival [1], 4th-6th November 2011 in London.
>  
> They are looking for people from communities (such as ours, will do a more public post) to form part of a
Human API [2] team, helping people to hack and use Wikipedia et al in new ways. Or you can attend as a regular
attendee and take part.
>  
> Would be quite nice if we can get a mix of technical members, and other related community people.
>  
> I know this is probably more relevant to some of the European based community, but it is open to all, so
people from further afield would also be welcome if they wanted to attend!
>  
> Any interest?
>  
>  
>  
> Sam
>  
>  
> [1] https://mozillafestival.org/
> [2] https://mozillafestival.org/program/human-api/
>  
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Michael Peel | 3 Oct 21:00 2011
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Re: A little wiki "hacking"


On 30 Sep 2011, at 13:19, Andrew West wrote:

> On 30 September 2011 13:04, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton <at> gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Indeed. Part of the issue there is that the number is diminishing so
>> much that there aren't enough speakers left to really produce a good
>> encyclopaedia (there's something like 60,000 global speakers). The
>> problem is even more apparent when you realise that what speakers
>> there are tend to be a lot older than our core contributing
>> demographic.
> 
> The whole point is that encouraging minority language wikipedias helps
> revitalise the language.  These wikipedias will never compete with
> enwp for completeness, but you only need a handful of good wikipedians
> who are fluent in the language to be able to produce a reasonable
> number of good quality articles, which can have a beneficial impact on
> increasing language acquisition amongst the young, which in turn will
> tend to increase the number of contributors in that language as time
> goes on.

I have to admit (from a completely personal viewpoint) that this sounds like a reason _not_ to support
minority language Wikipedias. I personally much prefer the trend towards more people speaking a single
language, or set of main languages, rather than encouraging more small niches of people speaking their
own language. The former makes it a lot easier to communicate with more people on a global basis and hence
gain more knowledge, whereas the latter does the complete opposite.

For me, the key points are increasing the availability of knowledge for those that only understand that
language; increasing the body of knowledge that's shared between multiple languages to make it easier to
learn a more common language; and to preserve information & culture specific to that language (which, of
course, would ideally also be translated to other languages).

Mike
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Chris Keating | 3 Oct 21:56 2011
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Re: A little wiki "hacking"


> On 30 September 2011 13:04, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton <at> gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Indeed. Part of the issue there is that the number is diminishing so
>> much that there aren't enough speakers left to really produce a good
>> encyclopaedia (there's something like 60,000 global speakers)....
>
> The whole point is that encouraging minority language wikipedias helps
> revitalise the language.

I have to admit (from a completely personal viewpoint) that this sounds like a reason _not_ to support minority language Wikipedias. I personally much prefer the trend towards more people speaking a single language, or set of main languages, rather than encouraging more small niches of people speaking their own language. 

I'd tend towards the opposite viewpoint; personally I think contributions in particularly rare languages are particularly valuable, and that linguistic (and hence cultural) diversity is important in stopping the whole world ending up dull, identical and boring.

But thinking about what Wikimedia UK ought to do, rather than the more abstract point, I would argue that since we represent the whole UK, we ought to at least aspire to doing work in all the languages spoken in the UK.

Chris

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Tom Morris | 4 Oct 08:55 2011

Re: A little wiki "hacking"

On Monday, October 3, 2011, Michael Peel wrote:

I have to admit (from a completely personal viewpoint) that this sounds like a reason _not_ to support minority language Wikipedias. I personally much prefer the trend towards more people speaking a single language, or set of main languages, rather than encouraging more small niches of people speaking their own language. The former makes it a lot easier to communicate with more people on a global basis and hence gain more knowledge, whereas the latter does the complete opposite.

For me, the key points are increasing the availability of knowledge for those that only understand that language; increasing the body of knowledge that's shared between multiple languages to make it easier to learn a more common language; and to preserve information & culture specific to that language (which, of course, would ideally also be translated to other languages).


The issue becomes slightly more philosophical: languages *are* a form of knowledge though. A simple argument: if I know how to express the statement "Snow is white" in English, I know one thing. If I know how to say it in German, I know two things. In either state though, when I use it, I'm still expressing only one fact about the world.

Expressing the facts is a matter of primary importance: it is important to the misson of sharing the sum of all human knowledge that we tell people whether snow is white, but we should also be sharing the more implicit, linguistic knowledge.

Basically: language is a component part of the "sum of all human knowledge", not just a means of expressing that knowledge.

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Fae | 5 Oct 14:15 2011
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Request: UK knowledge and e-volunteers for Festival Cervantino (30th October)

Hi,

Please find a request from Itzel Polin (GLAM Mexico) who would like to
find UK e-volunteers to help with better articles in different
languages for the British and European artists involved.

Anyone who might help out, please contact Itzel as below.

PS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Festival_Internacional_Cervantino may
be useful background.

Cheers,
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---- Forwarded message ----
itzel polin <iplitzel <at> yahoo.com.mx>
Created: 	09/20/2011 01:04:36
Subject: Cooperation for the "Festival Cervantino in Mexico" with
British and European artists
México, September 19, 2011

Hi! My name is Itzel Polin, I am part of the project GLAM Mexico and
I am also a student
at the University ITESM CCM, I write you because in Mexico on October
there will be a
festival with the name "Festival Cervantino" it's a festival where a
lot of artists from
different countries will present their shows and works of art such as
UK, we will do some articles
for the artists, we are very interested to do some of the British and
European artists,
but we need information of the artists in English to translate it and
write the articles,
so that's why we thought  Wikimedia UK could help us,  in return we
can advertise
Wikimedia UK in the radio program where I work and also mention the
help of Wikimedia UK
in the different articles of GLAM Mexico we will do, ¿what do you think?

Thanks for all,

Itzel Polin
Radio Red AM programa "Zona Verde"
Sección Educación Ambiental
iplitzel <at> yahoo.com.mx

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