Glyn Moody on BLW

http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2010/02/britain-loves-wikipedia-and-about-time.html

I've added some background on what we do (ask nicely, take things
slowly) and why. Others welcome, particularly as I've only done
minimal GLAM liaison myself 

- d.

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Re: London Wiki Wednesdays and "Second Sundays" in the month.

On 15/01/2010 10:25, Gordon Joly wrote:
> [...]
>
> Also, it looks like there will be two London Wiki Wednesdays
> forthcoming, on Wednesdays 3rd (February and March). Details to follow.
> The London Wiki Wednesday meetings are more likely to cover other
> collaborative software such as SharePoint etc but I am sure that will
> put you off attending, and free pizza and free beer is often (not
> always) an incentive.
>
> http://www.socialtext.net/wikiwed/index.cgi?london
>
> Wednesday 3rd February looks like a pub meeting, with 3rd March being at
> a business address (to be confirmed).
>
> Gordon
>
>    

The pub meeting will take place on Wednesday 3rd February (18:15 start). 
Please come along and influence the event!

http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/5320841/

http://www.socialtext.net/wikiwed/index.cgi?london_wikiwed_3_february_2010

Topics for conversation?

1) How do I edit this event?

Re: Announcing: Britain Loves Wikipedia

On 31/01/2010 22:45, Michael Peel wrote:
> Hi Gordo,
>
> It was good to meet you today - even sans hat. 
>
>    
>> Today I have uploaded two couplets to to the wiki:
>>
>> http://britainloveswikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
>>
>> The pair first via a mobile phone and the second pair at home.
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/loopzilla/4319060815/
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/loopzilla/4319084491/
>>      
> I hope that's the first of many. 
>
>    
>> I question why we cannot have a login on the wiki for the purposes of
>> upload (I am sure is possible to lock down pages as required).
>>      
> The upload system is completely separate from the wiki at the moment;
> it's a custom set of webpages. That's how it can be used to upload
> two files at once and add in the appropriate information, without
> doing any logging in. It also means that the museums can double-check
> things before they go out to the public.
>
> It would be possible to lock down pages and open up the wiki for
> editing, but I haven't managed to think up a reason why anyone would

Re: Announcing: Britain Loves Wikipedia

On 2 Feb 2010, at 16:23, Gordon Joly wrote:

> I will give some thought and perhaps a bit more planning when I next
> visit a museum (V & A or one of the others). This year's competition
> seems to require a little more thought and planning, and like it  
> says in
> the blurb, quality rather quantity this year. Also, the categories,
> coupled with the copyright issues mean that much of what you see in a
> museum cannot be competition entry material.

The themes were chosen so that they were broad enough to encompass a  
wide range of objects - so you should be able to link most things  
with them, even loosely. You shouldn't be finding this too  
constraining...

Mike

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Re: London Wiki Wednesdays and "Second Sundays" in the month.

Great to hear this is happening - wish I could be there, but London's  
a bit far for a Wednesday eve...

I've added it to the events list on the WMUK website:
http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Upcoming_events

Hope it goes well!

Mike

On 2 Feb 2010, at 16:18, Gordon Joly wrote:

> On 15/01/2010 10:25, Gordon Joly wrote:
>> [...]
>>
>> Also, it looks like there will be two London Wiki Wednesdays
>> forthcoming, on Wednesdays 3rd (February and March). Details to  
>> follow.
>> The London Wiki Wednesday meetings are more likely to cover other
>> collaborative software such as SharePoint etc but I am sure that will
>> put you off attending, and free pizza and free beer is often (not
>> always) an incentive.
>>
>> http://www.socialtext.net/wikiwed/index.cgi?london
>>
>> Wednesday 3rd February looks like a pub meeting, with 3rd March  
>> being at
>> a business address (to be confirmed).
>>
>> Gordon

Re: Fwd: [Wmfcc-l] The Public Domain Manifesto

Thanks David and Geni for replying to this. I found Geni's email  
somewhat perplexing, so I've commented on it below. In general, I  
think the question is whether we agree with the overall stance,  
rather than the specific details of what would happen if it were put  
in place exactly as it is (there's a reason why laws tend to be very  
long) - unless the 'unintended consequences' are very serious and  
could have been avoided?

On 31 Jan 2010, at 16:10, geni wrote:

> Sadly no. Good on idealism less good on unintended consequences:
>
> "Contracts or technical protection measures that restrict access to
> and re-use of Public Domain works must not be enforced. The Public
> Domain status of a work guarantees the right to re-use, modify and
> reproduce. This also includes user prerogatives arising from
> exceptions and limitations, fair use and fair dealing, ensuring that
> these cannot be limited by contractual or technological means."
>
> The contractual limitations are of course unacceptable under the
> principles of a common law system. More importantly the anti DRM
> languages places limits on what you can do with a PD work.

Huh? I don't understand this - please could you explain?

> "Therefore, exceptions and limitations to copyright, fair use and fair
> dealing should be construed as evolutionary in nature and constantly
> adapted to account for the public interest."
>
> Basing fair use/fair dealing on the public interest strikes me as  

Re: Fwd: [Wmfcc-l] The Public Domain Manifesto

On 2 February 2010 18:58, Michael Peel <email <at> mikepeel.net> wrote:
>> The contractual limitations are of course unacceptable under the
>> principles of a common law system. More importantly the anti DRM
>> languages places limits on what you can do with a PD work.
>
> Huh? I don't understand this - please could you explain?

It creates two problems. First it limits my freedoms. It prevents me
from forming a contract where I lend you a PD work in return for your
agreement not to say scan it.

Secondly it means that if I wanted to release say a slideshow of PD
paintings on blu-ray I can't do it. Even more fun if I include a PD
work as part of a film (say a portrait of Shakespeare in passing) I
can't then release it through any format that uses DRM broken or
otherwise.

Even more fun it would technically make the United States dollar
illegal (PD work that contains technical protection methods in the
form of the EURion constellation).

> Better to base it on commercial rather than public interest?

Better neither. Some of the caselaw on the subject of "public
interest" isn't too good.

>> "The excessive length of copyright protection combined with an absence
>> of formalities is highly detrimental to the accessibility of our
>> shared knowledge and culture."
>>

The V&A doesn't want your money

http://davidgerard.co.uk/notes/2009/12/28/dear-museums-help-me-to-help-you/

I emailed them asking how to give them a chunk of cash and got no
answer in a month. Same from their Twitter. Well done.

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Re: The V&A doesn't want your money

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Re: The V&A doesn't want your money

On Wed, Feb 03, 2010 at 06:17:16PM +0000, James Hardy wrote:
> Googling for "victoria and albert museum donations" gives this page as the
> first http://www.vam.ac.uk/support_us/giving_va/index.html

I think it was more the principle of them not replying to emails that David was trying to get across. :)

Thanks though!

Isabell.

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