David Gerard | 1 Mar 15:04
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Missing articles? Go through newspaper obituaries

Anyone who rates an obituary in a national newspaper is probably
sufficiently notable to deserve an article. I just started [[Archie
Hind]] from the Guardian obit, and was surprised there was no article
as yet. So if you're bored, go through the obituary archives and see
what Wikipedia's missing.

- d.

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Mathias Schindler | 1 Mar 15:17
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Re: Missing articles? Go through newspaper obituaries

On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 3:04 PM, David Gerard <dgerard <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> Anyone who rates an obituary in a national newspaper is probably
>  sufficiently notable to deserve an article. I just started [[Archie
>  Hind]] from the Guardian obit, and was surprised there was no article
>  as yet. So if you're bored, go through the obituary archives and see
>  what Wikipedia's missing.

Do we have a list of "possibly-notable people who might die soon"?

Mathias

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Thomas Dalton | 1 Mar 15:20
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Re: Missing articles? Go through newspaper obituaries

On 01/03/2008, Mathias Schindler <mathias.schindler <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 3:04 PM, David Gerard <dgerard <at> gmail.com> wrote:
>  > Anyone who rates an obituary in a national newspaper is probably
>  >  sufficiently notable to deserve an article. I just started [[Archie
>  >  Hind]] from the Guardian obit, and was surprised there was no article
>  >  as yet. So if you're bored, go through the obituary archives and see
>  >  what Wikipedia's missing.
>
>
> Do we have a list of "possibly-notable people who might die soon"?

That would be a good thing for wikinews to have (perhaps on the
private wiki that's been discussed).

Incidentally, why is this thread on wikimediauk-l?

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David Gerard | 1 Mar 15:23
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Missing articles? Go through newspaper obituaries

On 01/03/2008, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton@...> wrote:
> On 01/03/2008, Mathias Schindler <mathias.schindler@...> wrote:
>  > On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 3:04 PM, David Gerard <dgerard@...> wrote:

>  >  > Anyone who rates an obituary in a national newspaper is probably
>  >  >  sufficiently notable to deserve an article. I just started [[Archie
>  >  >  Hind]] from the Guardian obit, and was surprised there was no article
>  >  >  as yet. So if you're bored, go through the obituary archives and see
>  >  >  what Wikipedia's missing.

>  > Do we have a list of "possibly-notable people who might die soon"?

> That would be a good thing for wikinews to have (perhaps on the
>  private wiki that's been discussed).
>  Incidentally, why is this thread on wikimediauk-l?

I blame gmail address autocompletion, myself.

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Gordon Joly | 3 Mar 13:03
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Next meeting Wikimedia types in London


Saturday March 8th, at the Pembury Tavern.

Looks like attendance will be low...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/London_8

That's OK. Nice pub, free wifi, excellent beer and food, several bus 
routes, and till software that is written in Python. The website is 
updated by a push from the till, so the range of beers is very up to 
date.

http://www.individualpubs.co.uk/pembury/

Topics for discussion? Recent articles featured such as:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_End_of_London

:-)

Gordo

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Gordon Joly | 4 Mar 09:48
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Re: Next meeting Wikimedia types in London

At 12:03 +0000 3/3/08, Gordon Joly wrote:
>Saturday March 8th, at the Pembury Tavern.
>
>Looks like attendance will be low...
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/London_8
>
>That's OK. Nice pub, free wifi, excellent beer and food, several bus
>routes, and till software that is written in Python. The website is
>updated by a push from the till, so the range of beers is very up to
>date.
>
>http://www.individualpubs.co.uk/pembury/
>
>Topics for discussion? Recent articles featured such as:
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_End_of_London
>
>:-)
>
>Gordo
>

Hmmm.... there are several people watching....

http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/407910

Gordo

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Gordon Joly | 4 Mar 10:06
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Re: Next meeting Wikimedia types in London

At 12:03 +0000 3/3/08, Gordon Joly wrote:
>Saturday March 8th, at the Pembury Tavern.
>
>Looks like attendance will be low...
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/London_8
>
>That's OK. Nice pub, free wifi, excellent beer and food, several bus
>routes, and till software that is written in Python. The website is
>updated by a push from the till, so the range of beers is very up to
>date.
>
>http://www.individualpubs.co.uk/pembury/
>

There is no train service from Stratford to Hackney Wick on Saturday 
8th March (bus replacement) but the service from Liverpool Street to 
Hackney Downs look fine - that journey takes seven minutes.

Gordo

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David Gerard | 4 Mar 16:43
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Fwd: Term extension: you helped us say no in the UK, now help us say no in Europe

Forwarded to foundation-l because the topic's come up here, and
wikimediauk-l for UK interest. If you're in the EU, please sign the
new petition.

- d.

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From: Becky Hogge <becky.hogge@...>
Date: 4 Mar 2008 13:10
Subject: Term extension: you helped us say no in the UK, now help us
say no in Europe
To: dgerard@...

Dear Petitioners

Thanks for signing our Release The Music petition in 2006. You helped
us win the battle against copyright term extension in the UK. Now we
need your help again. The European Commission are discussing a
proposal for term extension. This is truly urgent because the UK
government will be reassessing their 'no' to the term extension lobby
in light of the new proposal. So if you oppose copyright term
extension for sound recordings then sign our new, Europe-wide
petition, now:
http://www.soundcopyright.eu/petition

Please also be sure to tell your communities about the petition,
whether via your blog, podcast, mailing lists or just down the pub. In
particular, if you are in touch with digital rights activists in
Europe then please push the petition link in their direction and ask
that they sign up too. The website is available in English, French and
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michael west | 7 Mar 17:11
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Fwd: [WikiEN-l] Another perspective

Not sure if everyone is on the WikiEN mailing list, but it is perhaps relevent.
 
--mike

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From: Florence Devouard <Anthere9 <at> yahoo.com>
Date: 7 Mar 2008 14:45
Subject: [WikiEN-l] Another perspective
To: wikien-l <at> lists.wikimedia.org

Please allow me to offer you another perspective. As Chair of Wikimedia
Foundation Board, member since 2004. And as founding member of Wikimedia
France, and currently on its board as well.

I'd like us to go beyond the current discussion... and maybe think a
little bit ahead, reflecting on the future.

Some of you may have some experience of being a member of a non profit
association. In most cases, a small organization.

Some of you may be living in a country where there is a wikimedia chapter.
(if you are not sure, please check:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters)

The first Wikimedia Chapter born in 2004, just a few months after the
Foundation (the German Chapter). The following one was the French
chapter, which was created in october 2004. Many other chapters
followed. And many more are to come.

Chapters are usually associations of users, and registered as non
profits. The revenue essentially come from membership fees, donations,
grants, and sometimes commercial income (eg, royalties). In majority,
donations and membership fees.

I bet that if we were to ask the casual Wikipedia editor if he is aware
of the existence of chapters, he would probably open big surprised eyes
(OH, WIKIMEDIA CHAPTER ? WHAT IS THIS ?).
For those who heard about chapters and are maybe even thinking of
creating a chapter, or joining a chapter, it is very likely that in
their mind, in terms of MONEY, the Foundation is the BIG SERIOUS stuff,
whilst the chapter is merely a side-happy-thing.

(Note: for those of you who do not know chapters, please check out what
they are doing. Chapter activity is properly amazing. Consider joining.
UK chapter and Australia chapters in particular)

--------

I saw so many discussions related to the finances of the Foundation,
such as allegations of misuse of donors money, mismanagement, poor
governance, insufficient control... that I really wonder if people here,
really realize that the Foundation is still -somehow- a small
organization. We now have a staff of 15 and a 5 million dollar budget;
and this is still very tiny. But fact is, the Foundation is less than 5
years old. And 5 years ago, the Foundation was merely a piece of paper.
We had to grow to follow Wikipedia growth. Back in 2004, we were very
very very tiny. And we try to do the best with the resources we had.
I welcome discussions on how we ensure controls, to the limits that it
is meant to be constructive and will not have more negative sides than
positives.

Now... to go beyond this, a thought....

Have you EVER discussed the possibility that the money received by
chapters from donors, be somehow, misused ? that the chapters might have
poor management ? that the chapters might have poor governance ? Have
unsufficient control ?

Has any chapter travel expenses reimbursement policy ? Bank savings
policy ? Confidentiality agreement policy ? Conflict of interest policy ?

Is any chapter audited ?

When I write this, I am pretty sure I am hearing your thoughts. "OH, BUT
THERE IS NO COMPARISON !"

And why not ?


Why not ?

The money received by the chapters come from donors just as well. In the
name of Wikipedia. If there are so many discussions and criticism on how
we handle the Foundation (in the name of "we must respect the wishes of
donors") why is there no discussion and no criticism on how we handle
the chapters ?

--------

The facts we are currently discussing are 3 years old.
In 2004, the organization revenue was 80 000 dollars.
In 2005, the organization revenue was 380 000 dollars.

As a matter of comparison, which I find myself interesting, the german
chapter got a significant amount of donations during this winter
fundraiser. You'll find exact figures here
(http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_2007/Report).
In two months, the chapter collected USD 208,000.

The german chapter currently has only one staff member (Arne Klempert).
I do not exactly know much their annual revenue is, but could I try a
guess ? Perhaps 300 000 dollars ? 400 000 dollars ?

Very likely, more than what WMF got in 2005. Back in those times about
which complaints are now made upon Jimbo providing his receipts with delay.

I'd like us to project ourselves in the future. Maybe in three years
from now.

Where will the Foundation be ? I am not sure.
Where will chapters be ? I could guess that a couple of chapters will
enjoy a similar revenue to what the Foundation is getting RIGHT NOW. And
maybe chapters will even be the biggest source of the revenue of the
Foundation. Who knows ?

What I know is this

* if you want a really clean organization overall, with full respect of
the donors, then the controls must be discussed and set at all levels
and in all organizations. Not WMF only. (I am not saying that any
chapter do anything wrong; this is long term perspective).

* the levels of control must fit the degree of development of the
organization. An organization of 10 000 dollars (one of our new
chapters), of 400 000 dollars (Wikimedia Germany in 2007) or of 5 000
000 dollars (WMF in 2008) do not require the same controls. There is no
sense to expect very tight controls from an organization which is not
even able to afford a real accountant (WMF in 2005).

* it is *urgent* to clarify the relationships between the Foundation and
the chapters, in particular the financial one. The longer we wait, the
more difficult it will be, because there will be more actors to deal
with, and because the more money is involved, the more power is
involved, the more politic is involved, the dirtier it is likely to become.


The past is the past. You may trust me or not if I tell you that past
issues have been fixed. But please look at the future as well.

Ant


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Gordon Joly | 8 Mar 13:26
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Re: Next meeting Wikimedia types in London

At 09:06 +0000 4/3/08, Gordon Joly wrote:
>At 12:03 +0000 3/3/08, Gordon Joly wrote:
>>Saturday March 8th, at the Pembury Tavern.
>>
>>Looks like attendance will be low...
>>
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/London_8
>>
>>That's OK. Nice pub, free wifi, excellent beer and food, several bus
>>routes, and till software that is written in Python. The website is
>>updated by a push from the till, so the range of beers is very up to
>>date.
>>
>  >http://www.individualpubs.co.uk/pembury/
>  >
>

Looks like I will alone!

Gordon

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