9 Feb 18:49
Copyright of pictures from 1870
Deryck Chan <deryckchan <at> wikimedia.hk>
2012-02-09 17:49:37 GMT
2012-02-09 17:49:37 GMT
I am recently engaged in a conversation with [[User:Kimberlyblaker]], who uploaded a fair amount of old, 19th century pictures onto Commons, including the album of places in Cambridge (see below) which is of particular interest to me.
What stumbled me was the copyright status of these images - are they in the public domain? If they aren't, is it due to publication right, and is Kimberly Blaker (& co.) the rightful copyright holder of them?
Deryck
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From: New Boston Fine and Rare Books <books4u29 <at> hotmail.com>
Date: 8 February 2012 17:06
Subject: Re: Unidentified locations
To: Deryck Chan <deryckchan <at> wikimedia.hk>
From: New Boston Fine and Rare Books <books4u29 <at> hotmail.com>
Date: 8 February 2012 17:06
Subject: Re: Unidentified locations
To: Deryck Chan <deryckchan <at> wikimedia.hk>
Dear Deryck,
Thanks again, for the additional identification and for inviting assistance
through twitter.
As to the copyright, I truly appreciate your help with this. Here is what I
can tell you, so that you can better assess the copyright. I have an original
19th century album with original 19th albumen prints of these images. The album
does not appear to have ever been published. There is no title (except for a
paper label that errantly labeled it as “Oxford”. There is no title page,
copyright page, author, publisher, photographer, anything whatsoever inside. The
only identification is a late 20th century bookplate on which it was handwritten
“Oxford University, pictures taken for William Winfield, circa middle 19th
century, given to Robert Winfield early 1970s. This album formerly owned by
William Winfield.” Obviously the “Oxford” note is incorrect. I assume the other
details are probably correct. It is probably a family heirloom that had been
handed down.
I have searched extensively, and cannot locate any of these identical
images online. So I have to assume they may have never been reproduced and was
likely a collection an early photographer did for himself or as a gift for a
friend.
With this in mind, aside from the photographs being compiled in a photo
album, it seems that it would still fall under a previously unpublished work. I
own the original work, have photographed the work, and have now published the
work online via my own website. So I think, I am now the official copyright
holder? I’m not an expert in copyright law but have some general understanding
of it. You are probably better versed in this?
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Dear
Ms Blaker,
Also identified: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Pepys_Library_c1870.jpg
This one is Pepys Library in Magdalene College. I've also posted links to the Wikimedia Commons pictures from Twitter asking others in Cambridge University to help identify the remaining unidentified locations.
As for the copyright notice, I think I previously made the mistake of thinking the photos came from a collection published in the 1870s, which would be automatically out of copyright. However, I have now realised that the pictures are actually from a previously unpublished private collection, which means as copy-holder and publisher your company should enjoy 25 years of publication right... wait it's a previously unpublished British work uncovered in the United States... argh! (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Hirtle_chart)
Deryck
Also identified: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Pepys_Library_c1870.jpg
This one is Pepys Library in Magdalene College. I've also posted links to the Wikimedia Commons pictures from Twitter asking others in Cambridge University to help identify the remaining unidentified locations.
As for the copyright notice, I think I previously made the mistake of thinking the photos came from a collection published in the 1870s, which would be automatically out of copyright. However, I have now realised that the pictures are actually from a previously unpublished private collection, which means as copy-holder and publisher your company should enjoy 25 years of publication right... wait it's a previously unpublished British work uncovered in the United States... argh! (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Hirtle_chart)
Deryck
On 8 February 2012 14:42, New Boston Fine and Rare Books
<books4u29 <at> hotmail.com>
wrote:
Hi Deryck,Thank you for identifying these images! I’ve added this information to my website.If only I could determine the original photographer. Many of the originals are contact prints, but they had been trimmed, so identifying information is missing. Though when scanned and enlarged, I could see hand etched in the plate of the Master’s Garden was “J. Murray”, I believe. Though it’s hard to say if that’s the actual photographer as there was other random etching in the plate as well. If you have any idea where I might discover the photographer, possibly through Cambridge’s collections, etc., please let me know.Best,Kimberly Blaker, President
New Boston Fine and Rare Books
520-395-1363
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And be sure to subscribe to our newsletter for future updates.Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 2:47 AMSubject: Unidentified locationsHello,
I am a current undergraduate of Cambridge University, and came here after seeing the uploads your team has made onto Wikimedia Commons.
I'm writing to inform you the locations of the two unidentified pictures:
http://www.newbostonfineandrarebooks.com/home//Cambridge University/57 cambridge university.jpg
Gatehouse of St. John's College, Cambridge
http://www.newbostonfineandrarebooks.com/home//Cambridge University/58 cambridge university.jpg
Chapel of Magdalene College, Cambridge
I also noticed that the author's copyright of the pictures have expired, and will .update the copyright licences of the pictures accordingly.
Regards,
Deryck Chan
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