A quick hello

Long-time fan, first-time poster ;)

I have never been comfortable with the proliferation of Wikimedia
lists.   ComProj is one of the ones that I love in spirit and
principle, because it is an open project that is compatible with any
number of copies of itself.  But I would find it much easier to
contribute to comproj-related initiatives if they were discussed on,
say, foundation-l and #wikimedia.  You could start all of those
threads with [comproj] if you wanted.

If you are worried about flooding some people with too much
information -- keep the high-flood discussions on a wiki, where people
can choose their own watchlists and review an entire thread at once,
and link to them when starting a new one.  Or, as Simon suggests,
actively explore new tools for collaboration.

But we hurt ourselves by making so many separate (and often
unnecessarily private) lists and channels.   Meanwhile the main lists
and channels have dropped in traffic since their peaks in 2006.  No
surprise - that's when all of the committees and walled gardens
started being built.  The process must be addictive, because this has
been a known problem for years, and we keep doing it.

How about organizing a list- and irc-chan-consolidation campaign?  I
think this would help communication and community building a lot, and
wold be motivated by such a campaign.  It would also be an interesting
first step in getting people to think about what sorts of new comm
technologies we could be supporting or developing.

Sj

Re: A quick hello

Hi,

On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Samuel Klein<meta.sj@...> wrote:
>
> I have never been comfortable with the proliferation of Wikimedia
> lists.   ComProj is one of the ones that I love in spirit and
> principle, because it is an open project that is compatible with any
> number of copies of itself.  But I would find it much easier to
> contribute to comproj-related initiatives if they were discussed on,
> say, foundation-l and #wikimedia.  You could start all of those
> threads with [comproj] if you wanted.

You're pointing to the wrong issue. The issue is not that "people
don't contribute to Comproj activities because they're discussed on a
dedicated list / IRC channel". The issue is that "Comproj is mostly
dead because the foundation staff doesn't provide any guidance to
volunteer groups such as Comproj". Comproj has been very successful
for short-term, specific tasks where their help was requested on the
list (the PR cleanup inventory for instance).

The bottom line is that while professionalizing itself, the foundation
has slowly been forgetting their volunteer basis (and the awesome
support they can provide).

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jerry.tschan.yu has invited you to Spacelocker

Hello

Hi All, 

The Metapage told me to send a introduction mail to this list, and by checking the archives I think the list
needed a new email. (its kind of dead)

For the people that don't know me, I am Huib (user:Abigor on all wikimedia projects) I'm active on Wikimedia
for almost three years now 
and since I'm getting more and more spare time I am looking for other things that could be usefull.

I'm working fulltime in our family company (road tranport) and I'm pretty good with webdesign, I know my way
around with css, php, msql and I have designed 
styles that are used on my own sites and our company website. So maybe I can help with stuff, maybe not we will see.

One last thing, my English isn't my best language I'm sorry for that. 

Best regards, 

Huib Laurens

Re: Hello

Re: A quick hello

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 8:10 AM, Guillaume
Paumier<guillom.pom@...> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Samuel Klein<meta.sj@...> wrote:
>>
>> I have never been comfortable with the proliferation of Wikimedia
>> lists.   ComProj is one of the ones that I love in spirit and
>> principle, because it is an open project that is compatible with any
>> number of copies of itself.  But I would find it much easier to
>> contribute to comproj-related initiatives if they were discussed on,
>> say, foundation-l and #wikimedia.  You could start all of those
>> threads with [comproj] if you wanted.
>
> You're pointing to the wrong issue. The issue is not that "people
> don't contribute to Comproj activities because they're discussed on a
> dedicated list / IRC channel". The issue is that "Comproj is mostly
> dead because the foundation staff doesn't provide any guidance to
> volunteer groups such as Comproj". Comproj has been very successful
> for short-term, specific tasks where their help was requested on the
> list (the PR cleanup inventory for instance).

Point taken.

> The bottom line is that while professionalizing itself, the foundation
> has slowly been forgetting their volunteer basis (and the awesome
> support they can provide).

I agree that this is the proximal issue (though Sue from time to time
says just the right things, as when testing the speed efficacy of
OTRS).  And this should be addressed soon, since the
professionalization is happening more rapidly than the rate of
community growth (and some professional volunteers are leaving).

I stand by my other point, that [assuming it had things to do] ComProj
could be much larger / have much more visibility if it were not
contributing to another problem, which is fragmentation of centers for
discussion / planning / notification.

We do not yet suffer from too much shared information about
foundation-level projects that are of short-term importance.  Until
that happens, we should consolidate and broadcast more widely.

SJ

Re: Hello

Hello Abigor
Welcome aboard!

Re: A quick hello

Hi,

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 13:10, Guillaume
Paumier<guillom.pom@...> wrote:
> You're pointing to the wrong issue. The issue is not that "people
> don't contribute to Comproj activities because they're discussed on a
> dedicated list / IRC channel". The issue is that "Comproj is mostly
> dead because the foundation staff doesn't provide any guidance to
> volunteer groups such as Comproj". Comproj has been very successful
> for short-term, specific tasks where their help was requested on the
> list (the PR cleanup inventory for instance).

I mostly agree with you here Guillom but would like to be more
specific again: the problem is not that ComProj is incapable of doing
jobs without WMF staff guidance, it's that ComProj simply doesn't have
the work to begin with. If only WMF staff would pass things down, give
the information required and pass on responsibility then ComProj has
the people to get it done (while obviously staff involvement would
make the process better, my point is that ComProj could probably be
useful with minimal such input).

A Communication Projects Group needs projects.

S

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Re: Fwd: [Internal-l] Heads-up: PR cleanup ongoing

Hi Casey,

On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 20:36, Casey Brown<cbrown1023.ml@...> wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Dan Rosenthal <swatjester@...> wrote:
>> *Cough* /me = press contact who doesn't have access to internal-l.
>>
>
> Talking about internal is really fun and all, but does anyone have any
> questions about the PR cleanup?   Dan, you signed up to help... do
> you have any questions?  Jon, Rjd, do either of you have questions?

What's the current status of this project? An update would be great.

S

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Re: Fwd: [Internal-l] Heads-up: PR cleanup ongoing

Hi,

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Sean Whitton<sean@...> wrote:
>
> What's the current status of this project? An update would be great.

I did part of the relocation a few months ago, when I collected the
main documents into  [[m:WMDOC/*]]. Now that the inventory is mostly
done, I'm inclined to wait for some output from WMDOC (it's ongoing,
slowly but it is; I expect a first set of documents to be published by
the end of the year) before tagging the old documents as obsolete or
deleting them. If someone is willing to go ahead and proceed with the
cleanup, though, I won't object :) In this case, however, please
notify me in advance if possible, so that I devote some time to
working on the relocation in the tables.

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