Re: 11/28 meeting log

Gerald,

There are templates but we are not really using them anymore.

How you have done it is absolutely fine 

Sean

On 11/29/07, Gerald A <geraldablists@...> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Nov 29, 2007 12:00 PM, Sean Whitton <sean@...> wrote:
> > Thank _you_ for chairing well Cary. Glad to see some projects were
> > agreed upon. Let's focus on the project page - thanks for filling it
> > in appropriately.
>
> Sean:
>  We weren't sure if there are any current templates for the projects
> themselves, so I just put something together in the linked page to get the
> ball rolling. If there are some templates we should be using, a pointer
> would be appreciated.
>
> Cary:
> Take a peek at the page and let me know if there is more that we should add.
>
> Thanks,
> Gerald.
>
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Mixing Directories and Comms Tools

Dear Cary, Sean,

This is a continuation of our correspondence, which started in reply to
Sean's hard work in reorg the the Comms Proj page, and continued in Cary's
reply on 23/11/2007 titled ComProj Digest, Vol 9, Issue 12. I'm giving this
background as no one who might be reading this thread would understand this.
Which makes my point. Email might be OK for 1 to 1 communication. It's lousy
for anyone trying to get orientated.

The reason forums have proved so popular over the past few years is not
(just) that it enables people to communicate. The rule of thumb is for every
conversation there are 10 reading and 100 who use a thread for reference to
other conversations.

So if Sandy invites people to participate in a blogging initiative and then,
as Cary suggests, forgets, an enthusiastic volunteer isn't left feeling they
have been ignored. And if the logs for meetings aren't put up, they aren't
left feeling that things have come to a full stop. Fourums work because
conversations aren't split into monthly 'directories' and separated lists
which together discuss things which give people an overview of what's going
on, and discussions which overlap, without requiring editors who must answer
FAQ's continually, and readers attempting to understand the recategorization
merry-go-round.

As Sean (I think) said, "The problem is, we are not sure as to what we will
continue to do or if anything will be changed.  We seem to be adjusting the
group". This is a continuous (Comms Proj) process, in which the Foundation
would obviously like to see more people involved, but if they are like me,
they will see no place in which to start. 

Re: Mixing Directories and Comms Tools

simonpedia wrote:
> The reason forums have proved so popular over the past few years is not
> (just) that it enables people to communicate. The rule of thumb is for every
> conversation there are 10 reading and 100 who use a thread for reference to
> other conversations.
> 
> So if Sandy invites people to participate in a blogging initiative and then,
> as Cary suggests, forgets, an enthusiastic volunteer isn't left feeling they
> have been ignored. And if the logs for meetings aren't put up, they aren't
> left feeling that things have come to a full stop. Fourums work because
> conversations aren't split into monthly 'directories' and separated lists
> which together discuss things which give people an overview of what's going
> on, and discussions which overlap, without requiring editors who must answer
> FAQ's continually, and readers attempting to understand the recategorization
> merry-go-round.

There mail readers allowing conversation threading (which has the little 
problem that you need to have received the emails).
There's also gmane, providing a news interface for email lists. Your 
news client *will* support threading. And as the mails are stored on the 
servers, you can access to threads no matter how old.
Alas, this list is not in gmane (other wiki*edia lists are) but it could 
be added. Consider if that fills your expectative.

> The other stuff, the real time stuff, like IRC has come an aweful long way
> since IRC. I'll point you at the big daddy - the accessgrid
> http://www.accessgrid.org/ - which could be used for (as I've suggested)
> tying together the Alexandrian Wikimania site with the runners up in
> different countries.
At least it's easy to find out how to entern on an irc channel (you know 

Meeting in ~20mins

I may be a few minutes late; apologies.

Sean

Mixing Directories and Comms Tools

Re: Mixing Directories and Comms Tools

Simon,

Thank you for your thoughts. I agree that participation in Wikimedia
still has a reasonably steep learning curve, and this is not a good
thing. However, we already have a large contributor base centered
around the means of communication we already use, that is mailing
lists and IRC channels, and thus I think that if we were to introduce
a board as you suggest it would split things and it would not end up
being used.

What would you say to better volunteer information? This is something
Sandy has been working on. A guide for Wikimeda volunteers in general,
regardless of project, is something that I think ComProj could work
on.

Sean

On 12/6/07, simonpedia <simon@...> wrote:
>
>
> Platonides platonides at gmail.com
>
> Wed Dec 5 19:17:17 UTC 2007
>
>
> There mail readers allowing conversation threading (which has the little
> problem that you need to have received the emails).
> There's also gmane, providing a news interface for email lists. Your
> news client *will* support threading. And as the mails are stored on the
> servers, you can access to threads no matter how old.
> Alas, this list is not in gmane (other wiki*edia lists are) but it could
> be added. Consider if that fills your expectative.
>
> Thanks. It's like everything these days. So much choice. I hate emails die
> to the spam it creates, and am used to threads that aren't cut into months
> or into separate lists. I guess people get used to anything. I've just seen
> forum work to include newbies and help them get orientated, esp good for a
> place like Wikipedia where lots goes on (across threads).
>
>
> > The other stuff, the real time stuff, like IRC has come an aweful long way
> > since IRC. I'll point you at the big daddy - the accessgrid
> > http://www.accessgrid.org/ - which could be used for (as I've suggested)
> > tying together the Alexandrian Wikimania site with the runners up in
> > different countries.
>
> At least it's easy to find out how to entern on an irc channel (you know
> there're web gateways you could use, do you?). Arriving to that page i
> don't see what i'm supposed to find nor how to get to it.
>
> No, didn't know there was a Web gateway to the IRC. Did I miss something
> here?
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/ComProj
>
> The accessgrid is primarily for larger groups. I suggested it as it's at the
> fat end of the IRC skinny. Operator intensive, but I'm trying to get some
> unis to buy into tying some sites together for Wikimania.
>
> Maybe this would be more relevant.
> http://forums.mebeam.com/view_topic.php?id=2&forum_id=2
> I'm sure they'd be happy to partner with Wikipedians.
>
>
>
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Wikiversity

Re: Wikiversity

Hello,

Would you like to discuss this at our next meeting?

Sean

On 12/8/07, Michael Reschke <reschke.michael@...> wrote:
> Perhaps some stimulations for you, what could be done... My interest is
> promoting the (German) Wikiversity... Some of the materials and ideas could
> be taken over by other projects, I hope.
>
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Communication_Projects_Group/Membership
>
> Yours Michael from Germany
>
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Re: Wikiversity

Regrets for tonight's meeting

Hello all,

In the past forty-eight hours I have had a debating competition thrust
upon me! Thus I will not be able to attend the meeting tonight as I am
going to be putting a lot of effort into preparing for this
competition. I hope this is not too much of a problem as we don't have
any pressing project issues.

Thanks,

Sean