Walter Siegmund | 2 Nov 22:31
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Hi Stan;

I looked through some of the pictures you uploaded recently from  
Icebox Canyon. Nice work! I have good memories of that hike.

I have a vague memory, perhaps wrong, that you are in the Bay area.  
Andrea and I were down that way last week. I returned with some good  
pictures of Cupressus sargentii and Cupressus macnabiana taken east of  
the north end of Indian Valley Reservoir.  Neither species is  
represented by images on Commons.

Best wishes,
Walt
Caroline Ford | 5 Nov 00:30

"no copyright restrictions" - LSE Library & flickr

Hi

With some fanfare the LSE library have added some images from their collection to flickr commons. As per the rules of flickr commons these are listed as "no copyright restrictions". If you click on the LSE's interpretation of "no copyright restrictions" they link to a very non-free, personal, non-commercial licence.

Flickr's understanding of no copyright restrictions: http://www.flickr.com/commons/usage/

BY ASSERTING "NO KNOWN COPYRIGHT RESTRICTIONS," PARTICIPATING INSTITUTIONS ARE SHARING THE BENEFIT OF THEIR RESEARCH WITHOUT PROVIDING AN EXPRESSED OR IMPLIED WARRANTY TO OTHERS WHO WOULD LIKE TO USE OR REPRODUCE THE PHOTOGRAPH. IF YOU MAKE USE OF A PHOTO FROM THE COMMONS, YOU ARE REMINDED TO CONDUCT AN INDEPENDENT ANALYSIS OF APPLICABLE LAW BEFORE PROCEEDING WITH A PARTICULAR NEW USE.

The LSE Library's understanding of no copyright restrictions: http://www2.lse.ac.uk/library/archive/flickr_rights_statement.aspx

"The images published on our Flickr Commons photostream are all marked as having ‘no known copyright restrictions’ attached to them. This means that we are unaware of any current copyright restrictions for displaying this selection of photographs from our collection within the Flickr website, either because LSE owns the copyright, or the term of copyright has expired, or because no evidence has been found that copyright restrictions apply.

The images on our photostream are meant to be used for personal, educational or research purposes. To obtain high quality digital copies, or to find out more about copyright terms for the reproduction of specific works in our collection, please contact the Library's Archives and Rare Books Division. Please note that it is our policy to charge licensing fees for commercial use. "

I've complained here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lselibrary/3274389894/

The LSE replied:
Just to clarify on the copyright point. Copyright in ‘No known copyright restrictions’ refers to the rights of the photographer. In the case of all the images we have put on Flickr as far as we have been able to establish copyright has either expired or belongs to LSE. Licensing is different, this applies to permission to reproduce images. We have placed these images under a ‘non-commercial licence’ which means that they can be used freely for personal and academic use. Charges only apply if someone wanted to use the images for commercial publications when we would have to supply higher resolution images. This is standard practice for commercial publications. Flickr Commons has a code of practice dictating what can be displayed on the site and LSE adheres to this in all respects.

Can they really claim copyright and licensing are different like this?

I know library thing had people upload images from this collection believing "no copyright restrictions" meant PD. I expect some will end up on Commons too.

Caroline

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David Gerard | 5 Nov 00:36
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Re: "no copyright restrictions" - LSE Library & flickr

2009/11/4 Caroline Ford <caroline.ford.work@...>:

> Can they really claim copyright and licensing are different like this?

It strikes me as complete bollocks.

Mind you, when an institution makes bollocks claims like this, the
likely best course of action would be for a GLAM diplomacy specialist
to have a quiet word with them and see what can be done ... but if
images end up on Commons and are OK from a copyright perspective per
our rules, then they'll likely stick. I'm not sure any GLAM wants to
be the next NPG.

- d.
Geoffrey Plourde | 5 Nov 01:48
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Re: "no copyright restrictions" - LSE Library & flickr

You need to take it up with the flickr admins.

From: Caroline Ford <caroline.ford.work-gM/Ye1E23mwN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
To: commons-l-RusutVdil2icGmH+5r0DM0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org
Sent: Wed, November 4, 2009 3:30:08 PM
Subject: [Commons-l] "no copyright restrictions" - LSE Library & flickr

Hi

With some fanfare the LSE library have added some images from their collection to flickr commons. As per the rules of flickr commons these are listed as "no copyright restrictions". If you click on the LSE's interpretation of "no copyright restrictions" they link to a very non-free, personal, non-commercial licence.

Flickr's understanding of no copyright restrictions: http://www.flickr.com/commons/usage/

BY ASSERTING "NO KNOWN COPYRIGHT RESTRICTIONS," PARTICIPATING INSTITUTIONS ARE SHARING THE BENEFIT OF THEIR RESEARCH WITHOUT PROVIDING AN EXPRESSED OR IMPLIED WARRANTY TO OTHERS WHO WOULD LIKE TO USE OR REPRODUCE THE PHOTOGRAPH. IF YOU MAKE USE OF A PHOTO FROM THE COMMONS, YOU ARE REMINDED TO CONDUCT AN INDEPENDENT ANALYSIS OF APPLICABLE LAW BEFORE PROCEEDING WITH A PARTICULAR NEW USE.

The LSE Library's understanding of no copyright restrictions: http://www2.lse.ac.uk/library/archive/flickr_rights_statement.aspx

"The images published on our Flickr Commons photostream are all marked as having ‘no known copyright restrictions’ attached to them. This means that we are unaware of any current copyright restrictions for displaying this selection of photographs from our collection within the Flickr website, either because LSE owns the copyright, or the term of copyright has expired, or because no evidence has been found that copyright restrictions apply.

The images on our photostream are meant to be used for personal, educational or research purposes. To obtain high quality digital copies, or to find out more about copyright terms for the reproduction of specific works in our collection, please contact the Library's Archives and Rare Books Division. Please note that it is our policy to charge licensing fees for commercial use. "

I've complained here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lselibrary/3274389894/

The LSE replied:
Just to clarify on the copyright point. Copyright in ‘No known copyright restrictions’ refers to the rights of the photographer. In the case of all the images we have put on Flickr as far as we have been able to establish copyright has either expired or belongs to LSE. Licensing is different, this applies to permission to reproduce images. We have placed these images under a ‘non-commercial licence’ which means that they can be used freely for personal and academic use. Charges only apply if someone wanted to use the images for commercial publications when we would have to supply higher resolution images. This is standard practice for commercial publications. Flickr Commons has a code of practice dictating what can be displayed on the site and LSE adheres to this in all respects.

Can they really claim copyright and licensing are different like this?

I know library thing had people upload images from this collection believing "no copyright restrictions" meant PD. I expect some will end up on Commons too.

Caroline

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Gnangarra | 5 Nov 02:13
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Re: "no copyright restrictions" - LSE Library & flickr

Presuming that the image doesnt have author details then http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:PD-UK-unknown could be applied so images prior to 1/jan/1939 are pd, if the author is known http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:PD-UK-known applies and its the same date, only engraving are different

2009/11/5 Geoffrey Plourde <geo.plrd-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
You need to take it up with the flickr admins.

From: Caroline Ford <caroline.ford.work-gM/Ye1E23mwN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
To: commons-l-RusutVdil2icGmH+5r0DM0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org
Sent: Wed, November 4, 2009 3:30:08 PM
Subject: [Commons-l] "no copyright restrictions" - LSE Library & flickr

Hi

With some fanfare the LSE library have added some images from their collection to flickr commons. As per the rules of flickr commons these are listed as "no copyright restrictions". If you click on the LSE's interpretation of "no copyright restrictions" they link to a very non-free, personal, non-commercial licence.

Flickr's understanding of no copyright restrictions: http://www.flickr.com/commons/usage/

BY ASSERTING "NO KNOWN COPYRIGHT RESTRICTIONS," PARTICIPATING INSTITUTIONS ARE SHARING THE BENEFIT OF THEIR RESEARCH WITHOUT PROVIDING AN EXPRESSED OR IMPLIED WARRANTY TO OTHERS WHO WOULD LIKE TO USE OR REPRODUCE THE PHOTOGRAPH. IF YOU MAKE USE OF A PHOTO FROM THE COMMONS, YOU ARE REMINDED TO CONDUCT AN INDEPENDENT ANALYSIS OF APPLICABLE LAW BEFORE PROCEEDING WITH A PARTICULAR NEW USE.

The LSE Library's understanding of no copyright restrictions: http://www2.lse.ac.uk/library/archive/flickr_rights_statement.aspx

"The images published on our Flickr Commons photostream are all marked as having ‘no known copyright restrictions’ attached to them. This means that we are unaware of any current copyright restrictions for displaying this selection of photographs from our collection within the Flickr website, either because LSE owns the copyright, or the term of copyright has expired, or because no evidence has been found that copyright restrictions apply.

The images on our photostream are meant to be used for personal, educational or research purposes. To obtain high quality digital copies, or to find out more about copyright terms for the reproduction of specific works in our collection, please contact the Library's Archives and Rare Books Division. Please note that it is our policy to charge licensing fees for commercial use. "

I've complained here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lselibrary/3274389894/

The LSE replied:
Just to clarify on the copyright point. Copyright in ‘No known copyright restrictions’ refers to the rights of the photographer. In the case of all the images we have put on Flickr as far as we have been able to establish copyright has either expired or belongs to LSE. Licensing is different, this applies to permission to reproduce images. We have placed these images under a ‘non-commercial licence’ which means that they can be used freely for personal and academic use. Charges only apply if someone wanted to use the images for commercial publications when we would have to supply higher resolution images. This is standard practice for commercial publications. Flickr Commons has a code of practice dictating what can be displayed on the site and LSE adheres to this in all respects.

Can they really claim copyright and licensing are different like this?

I know library thing had people upload images from this collection believing "no copyright restrictions" meant PD. I expect some will end up on Commons too.

Caroline


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David Gerard | 5 Nov 11:13
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Gearlog: Death of the DSLR

A tangentially relevant tech post for the photographers here:

http://www.gearlog.com/2009/10/death_of_the_dslr.php

- d.
Gnangarra | 7 Nov 14:03
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FYI: The A E "Bert" Roberts photograph collection

A collection that is now being added to commons,

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Craig Franklin <craig-Hvqt6U8DvJLR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
Date: 2009/11/6
Subject: [Wikimediaau-l] The A E "Bert" Roberts photograph collection
To: Wikimedia-au <wikimediaau-l-RusutVdil2icGmH+5r0DM0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>, members-RusutVdil2icGmH+5r0DM9Q83Er7SCjg@public.gmane.org


Hi All,

 

I’m pleased to announce that based on some contacts that I made at the GLAM-WIKI conference back in August, and some onsite work that the Brisbane Wikimedia community has been doing at the Queensland Museum (QM), the Museum has commenced uploading digitized images from their “A E (Bert) Roberts” photograph collection to Commons.  Bert Roberts was a coachbuilder from Ipswich in the early 1900s , but also enjoyed photography and took photographs of a wide variety of subjects, chiefly scenes of everyday life in Queensland from the time.  While not famous for his photography during his lifetime, after his death his collection of images came to be recognised as providing a unique view into the society of the time.  His photographs are the subject of a Queensland Museum exhibition, which chiefly resides at their Toowoomba campus (the Cobb & Co Museum), but which presently has travelled to Ipswich for a limited time.

 

So far, 21 images have been uploaded to Commons, but there are over a thousand glass plate negatives in total that the Museum has.  You can see what’s been uploaded so far here:

 

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:A_E_%22Bert%22_Roberts_plate_glass_photo_collection

 

My request to all of you, basically, is to:

 

·         Categorise, enhance, and basically edit the file pages as much as possible.

·         Look for appropriate pages on Wikipedia and other places where this content can be used, and use it.

·         Spread the word that GLAM institutions are seeing the benefits of making their collections available through Commons and other free media repositories!

·         Watch out and make sure the pages aren’t vandalised, and any problems that crop up are dealt with quickly so that QM can concentrate on providing us with free content, and not learning arcane points of Wiki-law.

 

Many of the original plate glass negatives held by the museum have not been digitised yet, but if there is anyone who would be interested in volunteering some of their time to learn how to do, and then actually *do* the digitisation, there may be an opportunity to get in and do that.  If you’re interested (and preferably have some “serious” photography experience), let me know and I’ll pass your details on.

 

It’s my hope that this will be but the first of many successful collaborations between WMAU people and GLAM institutions throughout the country.  I already have a couple of other collaborations cooking away here in Queensland that will hopefully result in a win not only for the WM projects, but also open access to cultural and heritage material in general. 

 

If anyone has any questions regarding these particular images, please feel free to ask me!

 

Cheers,

Craig Franklin


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geni | 7 Nov 14:21
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Re: FYI: The A E "Bert" Roberts photograph collection

2009/11/7 Gnangarra <gnangarra@...>:
> A collection that is now being added to commons,
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Craig Franklin <craig@...>
> Date: 2009/11/6
> Subject: [Wikimediaau-l] The A E "Bert" Roberts photograph collection
> To: Wikimedia-au <wikimediaau-l@...>,
> members@...
>
>
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> I’m pleased to announce that based on some contacts that I made at the
> GLAM-WIKI conference back in August, and some onsite work that the Brisbane
> Wikimedia community has been doing at the Queensland Museum (QM), the Museum
> has commenced uploading digitized images from their “A E (Bert) Roberts”
> photograph collection to Commons.  Bert Roberts was a coachbuilder from
> Ipswich in the early 1900s , but also enjoyed photography and took
> photographs of a wide variety of subjects, chiefly scenes of everyday life
> in Queensland from the time.  While not famous for his photography during
> his lifetime, after his death his collection of images came to be recognised
> as providing a unique view into the society of the time.  His photographs
> are the subject of a Queensland Museum exhibition, which chiefly resides at
> their Toowoomba campus (the Cobb & Co Museum), but which presently has
> travelled to Ipswich for a limited time.
>
>
>
> So far, 21 images have been uploaded to Commons, but there are over a
> thousand glass plate negatives in total that the Museum has.  You can see
> what’s been uploaded so far here:
>
>
>
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:A_E_%22Bert%22_Roberts_plate_glass_photo_collection
>
>
>
> My request to all of you, basically, is to:
>
>
>
> ·         Categorise, enhance, and basically edit the file pages as much as
> possible.
>
> ·         Look for appropriate pages on Wikipedia and other places where
> this content can be used, and use it.
>
> ·         Spread the word that GLAM institutions are seeing the benefits of
> making their collections available through Commons and other free media
> repositories!
>
> ·         Watch out and make sure the pages aren’t vandalised, and any
> problems that crop up are dealt with quickly so that QM can concentrate on
> providing us with free content, and not learning arcane points of Wiki-law.
>
>
>
> Many of the original plate glass negatives held by the museum have not been
> digitised yet, but if there is anyone who would be interested in
> volunteering some of their time to learn how to do, and then actually *do*
> the digitisation, there may be an opportunity to get in and do that.  If
> you’re interested (and preferably have some “serious” photography
> experience), let me know and I’ll pass your details on.
>
>
>
> It’s my hope that this will be but the first of many successful
> collaborations between WMAU people and GLAM institutions throughout the
> country.  I already have a couple of other collaborations cooking away here
> in Queensland that will hopefully result in a win not only for the WM
> projects, but also open access to cultural and heritage material in
> general.
>
>
>
> If anyone has any questions regarding these particular images, please feel
> free to ask me!
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Craig Franklin
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikimediaau-l mailing list
> Wikimediaau-l@...
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
>
>
>
>
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Nice one. Decent resolution as well.

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Michael Peel | 7 Nov 16:15

Re: FYI: The A E "Bert" Roberts photograph collection

Nice work - and amazing resolution! Well done!

Mike

On 7 Nov 2009, at 13:03, Gnangarra wrote:

> A collection that is now being added to commons,
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Craig Franklin <craig@...>
> Date: 2009/11/6
> Subject: [Wikimediaau-l] The A E "Bert" Roberts photograph collection
> To: Wikimedia-au <wikimediaau-l@...>,  
> members@...
>
>
> Hi All,
>
>
> I’m pleased to announce that based on some contacts that I made at  
> the GLAM-WIKI conference back in August, and some onsite work that  
> the Brisbane Wikimedia community has been doing at the Queensland  
> Museum (QM), the Museum has commenced uploading digitized images  
> from their “A E (Bert) Roberts” photograph collection to Commons.   
> Bert Roberts was a coachbuilder from Ipswich in the early 1900s ,  
> but also enjoyed photography and took photographs of a wide variety  
> of subjects, chiefly scenes of everyday life in Queensland from the  
> time.  While not famous for his photography during his lifetime,  
> after his death his collection of images came to be recognised as  
> providing a unique view into the society of the time.  His  
> photographs are the subject of a Queensland Museum exhibition,  
> which chiefly resides at their Toowoomba campus (the Cobb & Co  
> Museum), but which presently has travelled to Ipswich for a limited  
> time.
>
>
> So far, 21 images have been uploaded to Commons, but there are over  
> a thousand glass plate negatives in total that the Museum has.  You  
> can see what’s been uploaded so far here:
>
>
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:A_E_%22Bert% 
> 22_Roberts_plate_glass_photo_collection
>
>
> My request to all of you, basically, is to:
>
>
> ·         Categorise, enhance, and basically edit the file pages as  
> much as possible.
>
> ·         Look for appropriate pages on Wikipedia and other places  
> where this content can be used, and use it.
>
> ·         Spread the word that GLAM institutions are seeing the  
> benefits of making their collections available through Commons and  
> other free media repositories!
>
> ·         Watch out and make sure the pages aren’t vandalised, and  
> any problems that crop up are dealt with quickly so that QM can  
> concentrate on providing us with free content, and not learning  
> arcane points of Wiki-law.
>
>
> Many of the original plate glass negatives held by the museum have  
> not been digitised yet, but if there is anyone who would be  
> interested in volunteering some of their time to learn how to do,  
> and then actually *do* the digitisation, there may be an  
> opportunity to get in and do that.  If you’re interested (and  
> preferably have some “serious” photography experience), let me know  
> and I’ll pass your details on.
>
>
> It’s my hope that this will be but the first of many successful  
> collaborations between WMAU people and GLAM institutions throughout  
> the country.  I already have a couple of other collaborations  
> cooking away here in Queensland that will hopefully result in a win  
> not only for the WM projects, but also open access to cultural and  
> heritage material in general.
>
>
> If anyone has any questions regarding these particular images,  
> please feel free to ask me!
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Craig Franklin
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikimediaau-l mailing list
> Wikimediaau-l@...
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
>
>
>
>
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Liam Wyatt | 7 Nov 16:53
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Re: FYI: The A E "Bert" Roberts photograph collection

I just announced this to the group assembled here in Paris for the Multimedia Usability meeting - applause and congratulations all around. We have spent the last two days in intense discussion about "GLAM collaboration" and there are many amazing technical/community/process projects that are being looked at. There are an increasing number and increasing quality of these kinds of collaborations, so, to be able to look at a new collaboration appear right in the middle of high-level discussions about how to improve these collaborations is just fantastic. It really reminds us why we are here and what can be achieved.

Once again, Congratulations and please let me know personally or us know as a community if you need any assistance on this project. I hope that as a few more get uploaded and incorporated into articles we can announce this collaboration a bit more widely e.g. through the Wikipedia Signpost and maybe the Frontpage of Commons news announcement.

Sincerely,
-Liam

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Peace, love & metadata


On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Michael Peel <email <at> mikepeel.net> wrote:
Nice work - and amazing resolution! Well done!

Mike

On 7 Nov 2009, at 13:03, Gnangarra wrote:

> A collection that is now being added to commons,
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Craig Franklin <craig <at> halo-17.net>
> Date: 2009/11/6
> Subject: [Wikimediaau-l] The A E "Bert" Roberts photograph collection
> To: Wikimedia-au <wikimediaau-l-RusutVdil2icGmH+5r0DM0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>,
> members-RusutVdil2gPMReDifxmGA@public.gmane.orgdia.org.au
>
>
> Hi All,
>
>
> I’m pleased to announce that based on some contacts that I made at
> the GLAM-WIKI conference back in August, and some onsite work that
> the Brisbane Wikimedia community has been doing at the Queensland
> Museum (QM), the Museum has commenced uploading digitized images
> from their “A E (Bert) Roberts” photograph collection to Commons.
> Bert Roberts was a coachbuilder from Ipswich in the early 1900s ,
> but also enjoyed photography and took photographs of a wide variety
> of subjects, chiefly scenes of everyday life in Queensland from the
> time.  While not famous for his photography during his lifetime,
> after his death his collection of images came to be recognised as
> providing a unique view into the society of the time.  His
> photographs are the subject of a Queensland Museum exhibition,
> which chiefly resides at their Toowoomba campus (the Cobb & Co
> Museum), but which presently has travelled to Ipswich for a limited
> time.
>
>
> So far, 21 images have been uploaded to Commons, but there are over
> a thousand glass plate negatives in total that the Museum has.  You
> can see what’s been uploaded so far here:
>
>
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:A_E_%22Bert%
> 22_Roberts_plate_glass_photo_collection
>
>
> My request to all of you, basically, is to:
>
>
> ·         Categorise, enhance, and basically edit the file pages as
> much as possible.
>
> ·         Look for appropriate pages on Wikipedia and other places
> where this content can be used, and use it.
>
> ·         Spread the word that GLAM institutions are seeing the
> benefits of making their collections available through Commons and
> other free media repositories!
>
> ·         Watch out and make sure the pages aren’t vandalised, and
> any problems that crop up are dealt with quickly so that QM can
> concentrate on providing us with free content, and not learning
> arcane points of Wiki-law.
>
>
> Many of the original plate glass negatives held by the museum have
> not been digitised yet, but if there is anyone who would be
> interested in volunteering some of their time to learn how to do,
> and then actually *do* the digitisation, there may be an
> opportunity to get in and do that.  If you’re interested (and
> preferably have some “serious” photography experience), let me know
> and I’ll pass your details on.
>
>
> It’s my hope that this will be but the first of many successful
> collaborations between WMAU people and GLAM institutions throughout
> the country.  I already have a couple of other collaborations
> cooking away here in Queensland that will hopefully result in a win
> not only for the WM projects, but also open access to cultural and
> heritage material in general.
>
>
> If anyone has any questions regarding these particular images,
> please feel free to ask me!
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Craig Franklin
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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