Gerard Meijssen | 1 Jun 07:51
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Re: Picture of the Year 2008 competition Results

Hoi,
In the results I noticed that the restorations are not marked as such. The original artist is credited. This is problematic because these pictures became featured pictures because of the massive amount of work done to get these pictures back to such a pristine quality. It is important because the visibility and appreciation of restorations stimulates more people to help us with their work. It is important because archives and museums value the documentation, for them it is an argument to share high quality images with us.

I showed several of the restorations done by Durova at the Spaarnestad archive, this is an archive that contains among other collections the archive of the ANP the "Algemeen Nederlands Persbureau" and they were REALLY appreciative of her work; they compared her restoration of an elder Darwin with their own restoration of the same picture and told me that technically they can do a restoration to such a standard, there just is not the money to do this..

In conclusion, I am not sure, this is an official announcement but I feel that I should edit this. I do prefer an official reaction and I prefer it to be done on the announcement itself and preferably with a reaction on the mailing list.
Thanks,
      GerardM

http://www.spaarnestadphoto.nl/

2009/5/31 miya <narniancat_miya-/E1597aS9LR3+QwDJ9on6Q@public.gmane.org>
Dear Wikimedians,

The 2008 Picture of the Year competition is now concluded at last,
and we are happy to announce the results:

WINNER: Horses on Bianditz mountain
 (File:Biandintz eta zaldiak - modified2.jpg)
   # 1 -  74 votes in Round 2
   # 1 - 260 votes in Round 1 - Category:Other animals
   Taken by Mikel Ortega  Edited by Richard Bartz. .

RUNNER-UP: Fire breathing "Jaipur Maharaja Brass Band" in Chassepierre, Belgium.
(File:Fire breathing 2 Luc Viatour.jpg)
   # 2 -  71 votes in Round 2
   # 1 - 225 votes in Round 1 - Category:People and human activities
   Taken by Wikimedian Luc Viatour.

2ND RUNNER-UP: Steam locomotives of the Chicago & Northwestern Railway in the roundhouse
(File:Locomotives-Roundhouse2.jpg)
   # 3 -  46 votes in Round 2
   # 1 - 170 votes in Round 1 - Category:Constructions
   Taken by Jack Delano.


As we couldn't get the automated server set up,
a low-tech voting method was used this year, and
we had a trouble in checking and took so much time.
(We hope there will be a better system for next year)

In the first round, there were 501 images in the gallery.
The candidates were all the files which were promoted to
the Featured Picture of Wikimedia Commons in 2008.

51 files, the winners and honourable mentions in each category
went on to the final round to select the picture of the year 2008,
where 712 voters voted.

Congratulations to all the contributors
who helped create these beautiful works
and made them available to the world as free content.

A complete listing of the voting totals is available at
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Picture_of_the_Year/2008/Results .

Thanks to all the voters for participating.


Thanks, Wikimedia Commons Picture of the Year committee
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Picture_of_the_Year/2008





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Rama Neko | 1 Jun 09:02
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Re: Picture of the Year 2008 competition Results

I support GerardM's statement, and I even feel that it has been
overdue. The work of our restorators is invaluable and unfairly
disconsidered. GerardM's report is a striking illustration that
restoration work is easily as valuable as that of photographers'.
Furthermore, since we do not have a great many restorators, it is
important that well-restored images be credited properly, be it only
so that we'd know who to ask for more restoration or for advice.

There is every reason from moral and practical points of view for us
to credit restoration properly, and sing the deeds of our restorators
as we do for our photographers and our illustrators.
  -- Rama

On 01/06/2009, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@...> wrote:
> Hoi,
> In the results I noticed that the restorations are not marked as such. The
> original artist is credited. This is problematic because these pictures
> became featured pictures because of the massive amount of work done to get
> these pictures back to such a pristine quality. It is important because the
> visibility and appreciation of restorations stimulates more people to help
> us with their work. It is important because archives and museums value the
> documentation, for them it is an argument to share high quality images with
> us.
>
> I showed several of the restorations done by Durova at the Spaarnestad
> archive, this is an archive that contains among other collections the
> archive of the ANP the "Algemeen Nederlands Persbureau" and they were REALLY
> appreciative of her work; they compared her restoration of an elder Darwin
> with their own restoration of the same picture and told me that technically
> they can do a restoration to such a standard, there just is not the money to
> do this..
>
> In conclusion, I am not sure, this is an official announcement but I feel
> that I should edit this. I do prefer an official reaction and I prefer it to
> be done on the announcement itself and preferably with a reaction on the
> mailing list.
> Thanks,
>       GerardM
>
> http://www.spaarnestadphoto.nl/
>
> 2009/5/31 miya <narniancat_miya@...>
>
>> Dear Wikimedians,
>>
>> The 2008 Picture of the Year competition is now concluded at last,
>> and we are happy to announce the results:
>>
>> WINNER: Horses on Bianditz mountain
>>  (File:Biandintz eta zaldiak - modified2.jpg)
>>    # 1 -  74 votes in Round 2
>>    # 1 - 260 votes in Round 1 - Category:Other animals
>>    Taken by Mikel Ortega  Edited by Richard Bartz. .
>>
>> RUNNER-UP: Fire breathing "Jaipur Maharaja Brass Band" in Chassepierre,
>> Belgium.
>> (File:Fire breathing 2 Luc Viatour.jpg)
>>    # 2 -  71 votes in Round 2
>>    # 1 - 225 votes in Round 1 - Category:People and human activities
>>    Taken by Wikimedian Luc Viatour.
>>
>> 2ND RUNNER-UP: Steam locomotives of the Chicago & Northwestern Railway in
>> the roundhouse
>> (File:Locomotives-Roundhouse2.jpg)
>>    # 3 -  46 votes in Round 2
>>    # 1 - 170 votes in Round 1 - Category:Constructions
>>    Taken by Jack Delano.
>>
>>
>> As we couldn't get the automated server set up,
>> a low-tech voting method was used this year, and
>> we had a trouble in checking and took so much time.
>> (We hope there will be a better system for next year)
>>
>> In the first round, there were 501 images in the gallery.
>> The candidates were all the files which were promoted to
>> the Featured Picture of Wikimedia Commons in 2008.
>>
>> 51 files, the winners and honourable mentions in each category
>> went on to the final round to select the picture of the year 2008,
>> where 712 voters voted.
>>
>> Congratulations to all the contributors
>> who helped create these beautiful works
>> and made them available to the world as free content.
>>
>> A complete listing of the voting totals is available at
>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Picture_of_the_Year/2008/Results.
>>
>> Thanks to all the voters for participating.
>>
>>
>> Thanks, Wikimedia Commons Picture of the Year committee
>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Picture_of_the_Year/2008
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Brianna Laugher | 1 Jun 16:48
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Re: Picture of the Year 2008 competition Results

Some blogs have picked it up:
<http://sustatu.com/1243845647> (in Basque?!)
<http://www.eitb.com/noticias/tecnologia/detalle/160231/una-foto-vasco-elegida-mejor-2008-wikipedia/>
- Spanish

Sustatu also reported on POTY earlier - <http://sustatu.com/1241432977>

If you spot any further coverage it would be nice to also report it on
Flickr - <http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikelo/265187974/page2/>

cheers
Brianna

2009/6/1 miya <narniancat_miya@...>:
> Dear Wikimedians,
>
> The 2008 Picture of the Year competition is now concluded at last,
> and we are happy to announce the results:
>
> WINNER: Horses on Bianditz mountain
>  (File:Biandintz eta zaldiak - modified2.jpg)
>    # 1 -  74 votes in Round 2
>    # 1 - 260 votes in Round 1 - Category:Other animals
>    Taken by Mikel Ortega  Edited by Richard Bartz. .
>
> RUNNER-UP: Fire breathing "Jaipur Maharaja Brass Band" in Chassepierre, Belgium.
> (File:Fire breathing 2 Luc Viatour.jpg)
>    # 2 -  71 votes in Round 2
>    # 1 - 225 votes in Round 1 - Category:People and human activities
>    Taken by Wikimedian Luc Viatour.
>
> 2ND RUNNER-UP: Steam locomotives of the Chicago & Northwestern Railway in the roundhouse
> (File:Locomotives-Roundhouse2.jpg)
>    # 3 -  46 votes in Round 2
>    # 1 - 170 votes in Round 1 - Category:Constructions
>    Taken by Jack Delano.
>
>
> As we couldn't get the automated server set up,
> a low-tech voting method was used this year, and
> we had a trouble in checking and took so much time.
> (We hope there will be a better system for next year)
>
> In the first round, there were 501 images in the gallery.
> The candidates were all the files which were promoted to
> the Featured Picture of Wikimedia Commons in 2008.
>
> 51 files, the winners and honourable mentions in each category
> went on to the final round to select the picture of the year 2008,
> where 712 voters voted.
>
> Congratulations to all the contributors
> who helped create these beautiful works
> and made them available to the world as free content.
>
> A complete listing of the voting totals is available at
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Picture_of_the_Year/2008/Results .
>
> Thanks to all the voters for participating.
>
>
> Thanks, Wikimedia Commons Picture of the Year committee
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Picture_of_the_Year/2008
>
>
>
>
>
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Robert Rohde | 4 Jun 02:48
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License migration opt-out

Since this is a far reaching decision I am trying to advertise it broadly.

The license migration announced by the Foundation will add CC-BY-SA to
~1.7 million images licensed GFDL 1.2 or later.  Some authors feel
that doing this to their works is unfair.  Out of respect for these
authors' concerns, the Foundation has given the communities the
discretion to set opt-out criteria and exclude some works from the
relicensing effort if the copyright holder explicitly requests it.

However, we can also choose not to permit any opt-out at all.

I'd like to gather the community's consensus on whether an opt-out
provision should be allowed.

Please participate in that discussion on Commons at:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons_talk:License_Migration_Task_Force#Allowing_people_to_opt-out_of_the_License_Migration.3F_Yes.2FNo.3F

Thank you.

-Robert Rohde
David Gerard | 4 Jun 12:59
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Pikiwiki project problems

There are severe public relations problems between WM-IL and some
Commons admins at present over the Pikiwiki project. They're getting
attention at the Foundation level.

Anyone here have anything to say on the problems?

(They appear to relate to how much of a service project for other
Wikimedia projects Commons is, can be and bothers to act like instead
of being bureacratically obstructive.)

- d.
Gerard Meijssen | 4 Jun 13:16
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Re: Pikiwiki project problems

Hoi,
Well the most basic thing is that the logo of the project has been marked for deletion. This is the same old argument as happened over Wikimedia Foundation logos.

I do have something to say about this project. It is an issue that I raised with Dror at some stage... the timing was not opportune he told me.. Given the description about this current issue, my issue is likely to be unrelated. However, the amount of info given is such that I might be wrong at that.,
Thanks,
      Gerard

2009/6/4 David Gerard <dgerard-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
There are severe public relations problems between WM-IL and some
Commons admins at present over the Pikiwiki project. They're getting
attention at the Foundation level.

Anyone here have anything to say on the problems?

(They appear to relate to how much of a service project for other
Wikimedia projects Commons is, can be and bothers to act like instead
of being bureacratically obstructive.)


- d.

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David Gerard | 4 Jun 13:20
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Re: Pikiwiki project problems

2009/6/4 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@...>:

> Well the most basic thing is that the logo of the project has been marked
> for deletion. This is the same old argument as happened over Wikimedia
> Foundation logos.

Sounds like people who don't want Commons to be a service project and
are resorting to bureaucratic obstructionalism.

- d.
Maarten Dammers | 4 Jun 13:28
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Re: Pikiwiki project problems

David Gerard schreef:
> Anyone here have anything to say on the problems?
>   
You might want to read 
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Pikiwikisrael
It pretty much sums up all problems (and possible solutions!).

Maarten
David Gerard | 4 Jun 13:36
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Re: Pikiwiki project problems

2009/6/4 Maarten Dammers <maarten@...>:
> David Gerard schreef:

>> Anyone here have anything to say on the problems?

> You might want to read
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Pikiwikisrael
> It pretty much sums up all problems (and possible solutions!).

From that thread, I think I can conclusively say: if Commons has been
obstructively bureaucratic to the point that an entire chapter (WM-IL)
will no longer work with it ... then Commons has *failed utterly* as a
service project, and will need reining in at the Foundation level.

- d.
Eusebius | 4 Jun 13:55
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Re: Pikiwiki project problems

David Gerard a écrit :
2009/6/4 Maarten Dammers <maarten-leMnF5ybZtWEVqv0pETR8A@public.gmane.org>:
You might want to read http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Pikiwikisrael It pretty much sums up all problems (and possible solutions!).
From that thread, I think I can conclusively say: if Commons has been obstructively bureaucratic to the point that an entire chapter (WM-IL) will no longer work with it ... then Commons has *failed utterly* as a service project, and will need reining in at the Foundation level.
I'm not much involved in that issue (and don't really want to be), but when I see ONE user saying "accept all our pictures without challenging their copyright status or I close a whole Wikimedia chapter", I think that maybe the other side of the issue can be considered as well: maybe that's not only Commons failing to serve anyone willing to be served.

Eusebius
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