Florian Straub | 5 Jan 10:46
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Re: Making Wikimedia Commons less frightening

Delphine  wrote on Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:49:13 +0100

> I have a few ideas about making it easier for Commons admins to
> discuss with people:
> A) With SUL, it's probably easy enough to make sure that at least the
> "homewiki" of a user is prominently shown on their Commons user page.
> This would allow for:
> *Better communication (you'd know what language those people speak)
> *Better and more to the point warnings (you'd know if someone is a
> newbie or a long time contributor)
> B) Could the  Commons talk page be embedded in the homewiki talk page
> somehow, allowing for people to get their message where they are at.
> Or at lest have a warning "your talk page on commons has a message!"
> C) If SUL does not allow link to homewiki, or if someone creates an
> account directly on Commons, maybe in the login page, they could be
> asked to link to their homewiki account.
> 
> These are just ramblings. Commons is my project of choice, because I
> think it is one with the biggest potential, so I'm biased :)

Some years ago I created {{notify me}}. The idea was to make the bot 
responsible for alerting local projects of deleted and altered pictures 
(CommonsTicker?) notify people on their home wiki. Unfortunately that 
function got never implemented.

The template is/was mentioned at every welcome page users see when they 
register on Commons. The majoritiy of registration processes should be 
obsolete with SUL, but maybe we can get Duesentrieb to implement the 
feature ...

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Michael Maggs | 5 Jan 12:56

Re: Making Wikimedia Commons less frightening

That would be really good. Full support!

Michael

Florian Straub wrote:
> Some years ago I created {{notify me}}. The idea was to make the bot 
> responsible for alerting local projects of deleted and altered pictures 
> (CommonsTicker?) notify people on their home wiki. Unfortunately that 
> function got never implemented.
>
> The template is/was mentioned at every welcome page users see when they 
> register on Commons. The majoritiy of registration processes should be 
> obsolete with SUL, but maybe we can get Duesentrieb to implement the 
> feature ...
>
> Best regards,
>
> Flo
>
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> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l
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ChrisiPK | 5 Jan 15:20
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Re: Making Wikimedia Commons less frightening

Why don't we suggest turning the "Notify me per e-mail when my talk
page is edited" feature on by default for new accounts? That would
effectively do the same thing, but without a bot.

Regards,

ChrisiPK

2009/1/5 Michael Maggs <Michael@...>:
> That would be really good. Full support!
>
> Michael
>
> Florian Straub wrote:
>> Some years ago I created {{notify me}}. The idea was to make the bot
>> responsible for alerting local projects of deleted and altered pictures
>> (CommonsTicker?) notify people on their home wiki. Unfortunately that
>> function got never implemented.
>>
>> The template is/was mentioned at every welcome page users see when they
>> register on Commons. The majoritiy of registration processes should be
>> obsolete with SUL, but maybe we can get Duesentrieb to implement the
>> feature ...
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Flo
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Commons-l mailing list
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Michael Maggs | 5 Jan 16:46

Re: Making Wikimedia Commons less frightening

That would help, but it's often not the uploader who is responsible for 
the use of an image on a Wiki.  One needs a more general way to notify 
the editors who are watching the page on which the image is used.

At the moment, CommonsTicker does not work on the English Wikiedia, and 
there is no way an en.W user can be advised in advance that a particular 
Commons image is likely to be deleted.

One option would be to write some code that would leave a short message 
on the talk page of any article on which an image nominated for deletion 
is in use.

Anyone care to write something like that?

Michael

ChrisiPK wrote:
> Why don't we suggest turning the "Notify me per e-mail when my talk
> page is edited" feature on by default for new accounts? That would
> effectively do the same thing, but without a bot.
>
> Regards,
>
> ChrisiPK
>
> 2009/1/5 Michael Maggs <Michael@...>:
>   
>> That would be really good. Full support!
>>
>> Michael
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Gerard Meijssen | 5 Jan 17:59
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Re: Making Wikimedia Commons less frightening

Hoi,
Why is Commons ticker not active on the English Language Wikipedia ?
Thanks,
      GerardM

2009/1/5 Michael Maggs <Michael-vnJO+IzHYgBBDLzU/O5InQ@public.gmane.org>
That would help, but it's often not the uploader who is responsible for
the use of an image on a Wiki.  One needs a more general way to notify
the editors who are watching the page on which the image is used.

At the moment, CommonsTicker does not work on the English Wikiedia, and
there is no way an en.W user can be advised in advance that a particular
Commons image is likely to be deleted.

One option would be to write some code that would leave a short message
on the talk page of any article on which an image nominated for deletion
is in use.

Anyone care to write something like that?

Michael

ChrisiPK wrote:
> Why don't we suggest turning the "Notify me per e-mail when my talk
> page is edited" feature on by default for new accounts? That would
> effectively do the same thing, but without a bot.
>
> Regards,
>
> ChrisiPK
>
> 2009/1/5 Michael Maggs <Michael-vnJO+IzHYgBBDLzU/O5InQ@public.gmane.org>:
>
>> That would be really good. Full support!
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> Florian Straub wrote:
>>
>>> Some years ago I created {{notify me}}. The idea was to make the bot
>>> responsible for alerting local projects of deleted and altered pictures
>>> (CommonsTicker?) notify people on their home wiki. Unfortunately that
>>> function got never implemented.
>>>
>>> The template is/was mentioned at every welcome page users see when they
>>> register on Commons. The majoritiy of registration processes should be
>>> obsolete with SUL, but maybe we can get Duesentrieb to implement the
>>> feature ...
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Flo
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Commons-l mailing list
>>> Commons-l-RusutVdil2icGmH+5r0DM0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org
>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Erik Moeller | 8 Jan 03:53
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A small Commons research project

We're currently working on a grant proposal that is related to the
usability for uploading and embedding media files to Wikimedia
Commons. (This is an area that we will likely not be able to address
in detail as part of the Stanton project, so we're trying to parcel it
into a separate project.) As part of this proposal, I would like to
make a compelling case that pictures and other media uploaded to
Commons benefit from strongly from the increased visibility,
especially through Wikipedia articles. I'd also like to demonstrate
that images get used in multiple languages and multiple projects.

The simplest research approach that any volunteer could take is to
take a sample (say 50 featured media and 50 random ones) and to
catalog in a spreadsheet usage across Wikimedia projects, using the
CheckUsage tool. But I'm sure there are other approaches - both
quantitative and qualitative - that might work as well, e.g. based on
Wikipedia article traffic statistics.

I'd love to see some volunteer input into this question, which
essentially boils down: Why is Wikimedia Commons awesome, and why is
it worth investing in to make it even better? I've started a page on
Meta here if you want to contribute ideas on-wiki:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Case_for_Commons

But feel free to e-mail me off-list as well. :-)

Thanks for any and all help,
Erik
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Daniel Kinzler | 8 Jan 11:40
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Re: A small Commons research project

Erik Moeller schrieb:
> The simplest research approach that any volunteer could take is to
> take a sample (say 50 featured media and 50 random ones) and to
> catalog in a spreadsheet usage across Wikimedia projects, using the
> CheckUsage tool. 

CheckUsage has a bulk mode and a csv output mode... if you combine them, there's
not much left for the volunteer to do :)

-- daniel
David Gerard | 8 Jan 15:04
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Re: A small Commons research project

2009/1/8 Erik Moeller <erik@...>:

> The simplest research approach that any volunteer could take is to
> take a sample (say 50 featured media and 50 random ones) and to
> catalog in a spreadsheet usage across Wikimedia projects, using the
> CheckUsage tool. But I'm sure there are other approaches - both
> quantitative and qualitative - that might work as well, e.g. based on
> Wikipedia article traffic statistics.

CheckUsage being basically nonfunctional on en:wp is a problem.

Is there any en:wp-specific tool that could be made to check this
stuff? Even a bot on a weekly run or whatever.

- d.
Daniel Kinzler | 8 Jan 15:32
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Re: A small Commons research project

David Gerard schrieb:
> CheckUsage being basically nonfunctional on en:wp is a problem.

There's a temporary outage while we are recovering from the server move, and
integrating new hardware. Or are you refering to a general problem? I'm not
aware of any.
Desilets, Alain | 8 Jan 16:13
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Re: A small Commons research project

> We're currently working on a grant proposal that is related to the
> usability for uploading and embedding media files to Wikimedia Commons.

I think this is a good idea. Embedding images and other files into a wiki page is something that most wiki
engines don't support in a highly usable way. I observed something like 100 kids working with wikis for 10
hours each, on a task that involved a lot of image uploading. Uploading images was one of the most frequent
snags that I observed.

A typical snag looked like this.

* User finds an image he likes on the web, using his browser.
* User saves that image to his file system, using the default location selected by the browser.
* User goes to the wiki page, and clicks on the upload image button.
* The browser starts a file selection dialog, but it starts from a different part of the file system than the
part where the user saved the image.
* User doesn't have a clue where he saved the image previously  and can't find the image anymore.

Based on what I have seen, most folks naturally want to do one of the following:

* Find an image on the web using their browser, then copy that image from the browser, and paste it into the
wiki page.
* Find an image on their file system, then drag it and drop it into the wiki page.

I know these are hard to do with an HTML text box, but the closer you get to that, the better. For example, could
it be that with a bit of JavaScript, the HTML text box is able to know the path of the file that was dragged onto
it from the file system? If so, maybe it could then upload that file to the wiki, and insert wiki markup to
embed it at the current cursor location?

This is not far from what is done in TikiWiki. There, when editing a page, there is a button you can use to
browse for an image on the file system. When you select the image file and click on upload, this both uploads
the image to the wiki, and inserts wiki markup to embed that image in the wiki page, at the current cursor
location. 

But again, I know that these sorts of things are hard to do.

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