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Mathias Schindler | 3 Dec 18:03
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100k image donation to Wikimedia Commons

Dear Commonists,

Starting on Thursday Dec 4, Wikimedia Commons will witness a massive
upload of new images. We are anticipating about 100.000 files from a
donation from the German Federal Archive. These images are mostly related to
the  history of Germany (including the German Democratic Republic) and
are part of a cooperation between Wikimedia Germany and the Federal Archive.

These images are licensed cc-by-sa. Wikimedia Germany and the Federal
Archive have signed a cooperation agreement that, among other things,
asserts that the Federal Archive owns sufficient rights to be able to
grant this kind of license.

The images are 800 pixel in size on the longer side, which is near the
lower bound for being useful on the internet. We are aware of that,
and we hope that after some time, we will be able to get the Archive to release
the images in a higher resolution. The quality of the work of
Wikimedia Commons might help this negotiation process.

The other part of the cooperation is a a tool for linking people from
a list compiled by the Federal Archive to the de.wp Persondata and to
the person authority file of the German National Library (something
de.wp already
does since 2005).

Daniel Kinzler is working on the upload process to Commons and
eventually on (semi-)automatically categorizing them.

100.000 images is to my knowledge the single largest donation to
Wikimedia Commons so far and I am very hopeful that this is only the
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Magnus Manske | 3 Dec 21:55
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Congratulations to this fantastic deal! Great work!

Now, let's continue feeding the BArchBot :-)

Magnus

On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 5:03 PM, Mathias Schindler
<mathias.schindler@...> wrote:
> Dear Commonists,
>
> Starting on Thursday Dec 4, Wikimedia Commons will witness a massive
> upload of new images. We are anticipating about 100.000 files from a
> donation from the German Federal Archive. These images are mostly related to
> the  history of Germany (including the German Democratic Republic) and
> are part of a cooperation between Wikimedia Germany and the Federal Archive.
>
> These images are licensed cc-by-sa. Wikimedia Germany and the Federal
> Archive have signed a cooperation agreement that, among other things,
> asserts that the Federal Archive owns sufficient rights to be able to
> grant this kind of license.
>
> The images are 800 pixel in size on the longer side, which is near the
> lower bound for being useful on the internet. We are aware of that,
> and we hope that after some time, we will be able to get the Archive to release
> the images in a higher resolution. The quality of the work of
> Wikimedia Commons might help this negotiation process.
>
> The other part of the cooperation is a a tool for linking people from
> a list compiled by the Federal Archive to the de.wp Persondata and to
> the person authority file of the German National Library (something
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Artur Fijałkowski | 3 Dec 22:01
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Why 800px? They do not have larger ones? Or they choosen it because
it's useless outside internet (being honest it's useless even in
Wikipedia for me) and they would have good PR after giving us such
crap?

Sorry for strong words, but I'm very against such donations.

AJF/WarX
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Mathias Schindler | 3 Dec 22:08
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On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 10:01 PM, Artur Fijałkowski
<wiki.warx@...> wrote:
> Why 800px?

Because it is the maximum we were to negotiate after 12 month.

>They do not have larger ones?

In most cases, they do.

>Or they choosen it because
> it's useless outside internet

This thought has certainly crossed their mind.

>(being honest it's useless even in
> Wikipedia for me) and they would have good PR after giving us such
> crap?
>

Please go to nytimes.com or cnn.com or any other web site and see what
the average image size there is

> Sorry for strong words, but I'm very against such donations.

What do you prefer, deleting every image that cannot be printed in
2x2m poster size with 75dpi? Okay, propose it.

Mathias
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Finn Rindahl | 3 Dec 22:18
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Against such donations? It's like saying we're against people contributing 50$ to the fundraiser because we would rather have 500$. Now we would not want 100px images (useless also for wikipedia), and the fundraiser will not take grants less than $1, but this is a very good initiative indeed.

Finn R

2008/12/3 Artur Fijałkowski <wiki.warx <at> gmail.com>
Why 800px? They do not have larger ones? Or they choosen it because
it's useless outside internet (being honest it's useless even in
Wikipedia for me) and they would have good PR after giving us such
crap?

Sorry for strong words, but I'm very against such donations.

AJF/WarX

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Artur Fijałkowski | 3 Dec 22:19
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W dniu 3 grudnia 2008 22:08 użytkownik Mathias Schindler
<mathias.schindler <at> gmail.com> napisał:

> Please go to nytimes.com or cnn.com or any other web site and see what
> the average image size there is

It's the reason I do not go to those web sites. The most beautiful
thing about Wikipedia is that in MOST cases when I see interesting
photo I can go and watch large, full of details one. No other website
gives me such thing.

>> Sorry for strong words, but I'm very against such donations.
>
> What do you prefer, deleting every image that cannot be printed in
> 2x2m poster size with 75dpi? Okay, propose it.

No. I just not want us to kneel, when someone gives us something like
stated above. I do not depreciate that it's large negotiation success
(I know how concrete is bureaucracy in Poland), but we should only be
happy of this crack in concrete, not of the files themselves, cause
they are far below standards created by ''amateurs'' on Wikipedia.

AJF/WarX
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Artur Fijałkowski | 3 Dec 22:26
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W dniu 3 grudnia 2008 22:18 użytkownik Finn Rindahl
<finnrindwiki <at> gmail.com> napisał:
> Against such donations? It's like saying we're against people contributing
> 50$ to the fundraiser because we would rather have 500$. Now we would not
> want 100px images (useless also for wikipedia), and the fundraiser will not
> take grants less than $1, but this is a very good initiative indeed.

$0.01 is still money. You can collect 1 000 000 000 of them and you
will have $10M. Even if you collect 1 000 000 000 100px photos you
would not be able to upsample any of them to 5MPIX.

If someone wrote short article and at the bottom stated ''For better
version visit www....'' you would curse him with your most powerful
curses, but when people do the same with images every one is happy.

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Stan Shebs | 3 Dec 22:34
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Artur Fijałkowski wrote:
> If someone wrote short article and at the bottom stated ''For better
> version visit www....'' you would curse him with your most powerful
> curses [...]
Huh, can't say I've ever felt that way myself. When somebody gives me a 
gift, I appreciate the gift - I don't complain that it should have been 
bigger!

Stan

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Mathias Schindler | 3 Dec 23:09
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On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 10:26 PM, Artur Fijałkowski
<wiki.warx@...> wrote:

> $0.01 is still money. You can collect 1 000 000 000 of them and you
> will have $10M. Even if you collect 1 000 000 000 100px photos you
> would not be able to upsample any of them to 5MPIX.

You are correct, money behaves differently than an image file. In that
case, I will both give the promise to continue to ask the Archive for
more higher-resolution images and ask you to support me by doing the
same and asking more people to negotiate better donations.

Mathias
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Huib Laurens | 3 Dec 23:17
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Hi,

Maybe a stupid quistion but...

When put a photo under a licence the licence is the same for a low res
image and for a high res image. Or can both have a other licence?

See ya!
Huib

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