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Florian Straub | 4 Oct 19:00
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Re: Our categories are broken, very broken

Platonides <Platonides@...> wrote on mon, 22 sep 2008 23:27:07 +0200:

> Daniel Kinzler wrote:
>> I don't think there's a magic bullet, but non the less, when thinking about what
>> is possible and what isn't, we should look at the techniques that have been
>> tried so far, and get to know their strenths and limitations. And while I have
>> thought about the problem quite a bit, I have not yet looked at what the two
>> systems in question actually do.
> 
> Good point. There should be some page at mediawiki.org about this 
> explaining the different approaches, its problems, the different 
> experiments and its performance... In a word, summarizing these endless 
> mailing list threads.
> Even if there is a magic bullet, all of us will be trying to invent 
> circular wheels, when perhaps a myriagon performs better. Having a list 
> would be still hard, but at least there would be a chance of finding 
> something new.
> 
> ...and it would make a fine manual to be read :)

Which name would such an article have?

Regards,

Flo
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Joe Szilagyi | 15 Oct 22:36
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geograph.org.uk

http://www.geograph.org.uk/

I'd never heard of this project before I saw it on Boing Boing today. A million freely licensed images of the UK-- have there ever been any discussion of getting with them, to get these on Commons?

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Gregory Maxwell | 15 Oct 22:44
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Re: geograph.org.uk

On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 4:36 PM, Joe Szilagyi <szilagyi@...> wrote:
> http://www.geograph.org.uk/
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> I'd never heard of this project before I saw it on Boing Boing today. A
> million freely licensed images of the UK-- have there ever been any
> discussion of getting with them, to get these on Commons?

I mirrored the whole site a while back (only 700k images then),
converted all their metadata to commons compatible stuff, etc.   But I
encountered mixed feelings on the value on adding the images. Most of
them are low quality, uninteresting, etc.

In terms of coverage the collection is impressive and useful, but it
isn't in pretty much any other way.  If people want this I'd be glad
to make it happen.  It's not even all that expensive in terms of disk
space since most of the images are fairly small.
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Charlotte Webb | 15 Oct 22:54
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Re: geograph.org.uk

On 10/15/08, Joe Szilagyi <szilagyi@...> wrote:
> http://www.geograph.org.uk/
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> I'd never heard of this project before I saw it on Boing Boing today. A
> million freely licensed images of the UK-- have there ever been any
> discussion of getting with them, to get these on Commons?

Specifically they say:
> "In addition, we require all submitters to adopt a Creative Commons
> Attribution-ShareAlike licence"

So there would be no real need to discuss, only to comply with the
terms of the licence [sic]. Better questions would be how well they
police themselves for plagiarism, and whether they have any internal
quality control mechanism (i.e. do they routinely delete patently
useless images).

—C.W.
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Daniel Schwen | 15 Oct 23:02
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> In terms of coverage the collection is impressive and useful, but it
> isn't in pretty much any other way.  If people want this I'd be glad
> to make it happen.  It's not even all that expensive in terms of disk
> space since most of the images are fairly small.

Tons of geograph images have already been uploaded to commons. Check the 
WikiMiniAtlas http://stable.toolserver.org/wma over Great Britain. Their 
thumbs are displayed smaller to indicate lower picture resolution.

I also recently ran a bot [1] that grabbed location data from the geograph 
website and completed incomplete image descriptions (adding over 5000 
thousand location templates). 

Anyhow. I share Greg's feelings on the image quality. Those pics that have 
been uploaded are there, but I don't think we should drive to upload further 
stuff from that site, unless it is really needed in our sister projects.

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http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Archive/2008Jul#Oops_.28or.2C_I_need_a_bot_to_fix_my_mistakes_please.29

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Howard Cheng | 15 Oct 23:10
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Re: geograph.org.uk

I think many of them have already been uploaded. See
<http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=geograph.co.uk&go=Go>

On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 1:36 PM, Joe Szilagyi <szilagyi@...> wrote:
> http://www.geograph.org.uk/
>
> I'd never heard of this project before I saw it on Boing Boing today. A
> million freely licensed images of the UK-- have there ever been any
> discussion of getting with them, to get these on Commons?
>
> - Joe

-h
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Gregory Maxwell | 15 Oct 23:15
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Re: geograph.org.uk

On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 5:10 PM, Howard Cheng <howard@...> wrote:
> I think many of them have already been uploaded. See
> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=geograph.co.uk&go=Go>

Only a few thousand here and there unless I missed something.
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Huib Laurens | 15 Oct 23:30
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Re: geograph.org.uk

Hi,

I think it's a nice source when we need a free picture on a wmf
project and there is non already on commons.

But uploading them all or a lot is not needed

Huib

2008/10/15, Gregory Maxwell <gmaxwell@...>:
> On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 5:10 PM, Howard Cheng <howard@...> wrote:
>> I think many of them have already been uploaded. See
>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=geograph.co.uk&go=Go>
>
> Only a few thousand here and there unless I missed something.
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Daniel Schwen | 15 Oct 23:33
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On Wednesday 15 October 2008 04:15:46 pm Gregory Maxwell wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 5:10 PM, Howard Cheng <howard@...> wrote:
> > I think many of them have already been uploaded. See
> > <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=geograph.co.uk&g
> >o=Go>
Well, it's geograph.*org*.uk, and you might as well look at 
[[:Category:Geograph_images]]

> Only a few thousand here and there unless I missed something.
9,562 :-)

So they have what, a little over a million? I'd say thanks, but no thanks. It 
really is a pity that they rescale to 640 pixels. If we import all of them 
we'd be essentially duplicating their hosting effort with a much worse 
interface (no offense), and we'd just clutter up our picture collection with 
technically inferior images (and I challenge you to categorize them all!).
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Robin Schwab | 15 Oct 23:42
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Charlotte Webb schrieb:
>> terms of the licence [sic]. Better questions would be how well they
> police themselves for plagiarism, and whether they have any internal
> quality control mechanism (i.e. do they routinely delete patently
> useless images).

That's a good argument Charlotte. It may lead to a question for 
ourselves: Do we routinely delete patently useless images?

After a look to our backlog for deletion requests and the number of 
useless images we host I'd say we fulfill the requirement only partially.

Cordially

Robin
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