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Aoineko | 1 Jan 2008 17:54
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Re: o rly?

Riana:
> However, the law "does not forbid local or international artists from 
> profiting from drawings and other reproductions of pharaonic and 
> Egyptian monuments from all eras - as long as they don't make exact 
> copies."
>
> "Artists have the right to be inspired by everything that surrounds 
> them, including monuments," he said.
>
> Potential fine print argument - if you make lighting, camera angles, 
> perspective etc unique enough, you can claim copyright? I'm not so 
> great with derivative works, perhaps someone could clarify that. I 
> wonder if we'll have a lot of photos looking up the Sphinx's nose at 
> twilight, now :-s

If they make explicit reference to drawings as an exception to this law 
it's well because they are targeting pictures. Imho, this law can be 
compare with new picture prohibition rule at Louvre Museum while they 
will not applied it strictly (Egyptian government or Louvre have no 
benefit to prohibit all pictures), but they will use this law at handle 
some particular situations.
Any way, it's really a scandal to try to steal a world heritage! I can 
understand they increase the fees for visiting monument, but try to get 
copyright on 5000 yo monuments it's really unacceptable.

Aoineko

PS: Sorry for my poor English.
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geni | 1 Jan 2008 20:45
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Re: Should we use CC-Plus? (CC+)

On 31/12/2007, Brianna Laugher <brianna.laugher@...> wrote:
> If you use a personal contact statement, is there any reason you
> wouldn't switch to a standardised CC+ statement with an equivalent
> statement?
>

It results in a loss of control and people with such statements
probably want control. If there was a need for standardization it
would be fairly trivial for wikimedia commons to produce a standard
set of notices that would have the benefit of more closely matching
our needs.

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geni | 1 Jan 2008 21:01
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Re: o rly?

On 26/12/2007, Platonides <Platonides@...> wrote:
> How's that? I make a photo, and free it. Say it's on Public Domain. How
> is X museum going to claim that photo cannot be used because i didn't
> aks them a permission they didn't require at that time?
>

Pretty much happened under UK law with the switch from 50 to 70 years.
Before the internet it didn't really present the same problem.

In any case Western civilization has spent the last few thousand years
removing stuff from Egypt not of which will be impacted. I see little
reason to be concerned.

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Platonides | 2 Jan 2008 00:57
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Re: Should we use CC-Plus? (CC+)

Brianna Laugher wrote:
> So the question is not should we allow it (we have no reason not to), but
> - should we actively encourage people to use it, instead of personal
> "contact me for X" statements?
> 
> Basically the only point of using CC+ instead of personal statements
> is because CC+ is intended to be a standard.
> This is not an issue where the benefits of standardisation are hugely
> obvious to me, so I am not too fussed about this, but maybe some
> people have strong feelings about it.
> 
> If you use a personal contact statement, is there any reason you
> wouldn't switch to a standardised CC+ statement with an equivalent
> statement?
> 
> cheers,
> Brianna
> user:pfctdayelise

Standarising with a template? Ok.
Using that image? No.
Using rel="cc:morePermissions" ? Maybe, but you'd need an extension just 
to add that, plus if it's only listing an email it's useless. We don't 
have personal statements to add with it. There would be a point in 
tagging GFDL as cc:morePermissions, but IMHO may seem that GFDL is "less 
important" that the CC one.

Proposals:
a) Create template: "If this set of permissions doesn't fit your needs, 
[[contact me]]..." which also means that the uploader is willing to
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Vezér János | 2 Jan 2008 02:04
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Jókívánság


                  Nagyon boldog Új Esztendőt kívánok minden "wikiz
ő" barátunknak, akiknek a vitáját, elmélkedését nagy figyelem
mel kísérem.  Igaz, hogy sok mindent nem értek belőle,de ezért bo
csássatok meg, hiszen egy nyugdíjas "öreg szivar" vagyok, aki szeret 
a hálón szörfölni. Érdekelnek az újdonságok és a tudomány
os kérdések, a művészet és műszaki beállítottságú rév
én a technikai újdonságok, az utazások. Tehát adjatok feladatot a
rra, hogy kihámozzam a sok vitaanyagból a szándékot. Jó és ered
ményes évet kívánok!  öregJani

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Brianna Laugher | 2 Jan 2008 09:22
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507 FPs in 2007

Hello Commoners, Happy New Year!

Guess what? Over 500 images became Featured Pictures in 2007! In 2006
there were only about 330 IIRC so that is really impressive growth.

I put them all on one page here:
<http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pfctdayelise/POTY07_categories/2007_list>

Could someone who is more SQL-savvy than me possibly run a query to
get this same list, so I have something to double-check against? (I'm
pretty sure this one was hand-compiled.)

These images will make up the entries to the Picture of the Year
competition which starts soon, so it would be awful if any slipped
through the cracks.
<http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/COM:POTY/2007>

Congratulations and thanks to all the people who take part in FP,
photographers, illustrators, commenters and constructive-criticisers.
:)

cheers
Brianna
user:pfctdayelise

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Stephen Bain | 2 Jan 2008 09:32
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Re: 507 FPs in 2007

On Jan 2, 2008 7:22 PM, Brianna Laugher <brianna.laugher@...> wrote:
>
> Could someone who is more SQL-savvy than me possibly run a query to
> get this same list, so I have something to double-check against? (I'm
> pretty sure this one was hand-compiled.)

You can use the API to do something close to this:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=categorymembers&cmcategory=Featured%20pictures&cmsort=timestamp&cmdir=desc&cmprop=title|timestamp

That query will get you all members of [[Category:Featured pictures]]
sorted by the time they were added to the category. Someone will just
have to get the whole list and filter for dates within 2007.

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Rama Rama | 2 Jan 2008 10:01
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Re: o rly?


In any case Western civilization has spent the last few thousand years
removing stuff from Egypt not of which will be impacted. I see little
reason to be concerned.

What is of actual concern is not one or a few museums having restrictions, but a general pattern of museums and governments imposing a vision of museums as monopolistic capitalist companies rather than as means of spreading culture.

Clearly, some people able to take decision see museums making money as an end, rather than as a mean to accomplish an end of educating the public. To enforce this vision (on which there is no public debate), they take decisions which effectively negate the benefits of the Berne Convention for the general public.

You can see this sort of trends in Egypt, Italy, France, United Kingdom and elsewhere.

THIS is a reason to be concerned all right.
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Brianna Laugher | 2 Jan 2008 12:11
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Re: 507 FPs in 2007

On 02/01/2008, Stephen Bain <stephen.bain@...> wrote:
> On Jan 2, 2008 7:22 PM, Brianna Laugher <brianna.laugher@...> wrote:
> >
> > Could someone who is more SQL-savvy than me possibly run a query to
> > get this same list, so I have something to double-check against? (I'm
> > pretty sure this one was hand-compiled.)
>
> You can use the API to do something close to this:
>  http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=categorymembers&cmcategory=Featured%20pictures&cmsort=timestamp&cmdir=desc&cmprop=title|timestamp
>
> That query will get you all members of [[Category:Featured pictures]]
> sorted by the time they were added to the category. Someone will just
> have to get the whole list and filter for dates within 2007.

Thanks, got it.

cheers
Brianna

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Brianna Laugher | 2 Jan 2008 14:20
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Re: 507 FPs in 2007

Update: The final number for 2007 is... 515.

There were 507 from the manual list, two had since been deleted, and I
found 10 from the API that missed getting added to the manual list.

They are now all at
<http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pfctdayelise/POTY07_categories/2007_list>
sorted alphabetically.

cheers
Brianna

On 02/01/2008, Brianna Laugher <brianna.laugher@...> wrote:

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