Brianna Laugher | 1 Aug 13:08
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Fwd: [Foundation-l] Wikimania Golden Awards

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Date: 01-Aug-2007 18:02
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Hello wikimedians,

We will have a Wikimania Golden Awards activity from now to August 4, 2007.
You will have a chance to win a prize cup and a WikiStick USB device which
contains local Wikipedia database and context search software for free. For
more information, you may refer to the Wikimania Golden Awards page on the
Wikimania website this year:

http://wikimania2007.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_Awards

The winners will be announced in the Award Session of Wikimania in August 5,
2007.

Want to win the prize? Submit your best graphics and join the contest!

Regards,

H.T. (Ted)

Wikimania Organization Team

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Ejdzej Wikipedysta | 2 Aug 21:43
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Polish money not covered by copyright

Today "Rzeczpospolita" daily newspaper (one of most popular daily in
Poland) put an article with lawyer analysis prooving that Polish money
as "governmetal signs" are excluded from copyright.

Article in Polish:
http://ejdzej.webpark.pl/wiki/Prawo-znaki_pieniezne.jpg

Could we possibly use that opinion to restore images of Polish coins
and bills on Commons?

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Uber Halogen | 3 Aug 13:26

Re: Polish money not covered by copyright

On 02/08/2007, Ejdzej Wikipedysta <ejdzej.wikipedysta@...> wrote:
> Today "Rzeczpospolita" daily newspaper (one of most popular daily in
> Poland) put an article with lawyer analysis prooving that Polish money
> as "governmetal signs" are excluded from copyright.
>
> Article in Polish:
> http://ejdzej.webpark.pl/wiki/Prawo-znaki_pieniezne.jpg
>
> Could we possibly use that opinion to restore images of Polish coins
> and bills on Commons?

IIRC one of the reasons money was removed is because even if the money
is not copyrighted there all still 'unfree' restrictions imposed upon
it. For example if you printed it out you could probably get
prosecuted.

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Artur Fijałkowski | 3 Aug 13:31
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Re: Polish money not covered by copyright

2007/8/3, Uber Halogen <uberhalogen@...>:
> On 02/08/2007, Ejdzej Wikipedysta
<ejdzej.wikipedysta@...> wrote:
> > Today "Rzeczpospolita" daily newspaper (one of most popular daily in
> > Poland) put an article with lawyer analysis prooving that Polish money
> > as "governmetal signs" are excluded from copyright.
> >
> > Article in Polish:
> > http://ejdzej.webpark.pl/wiki/Prawo-znaki_pieniezne.jpg
> >
> > Could we possibly use that opinion to restore images of Polish coins
> > and bills on Commons?
>
> IIRC one of the reasons money was removed is because even if the money
> is not copyrighted there all still 'unfree' restrictions imposed upon
> it. For example if you printed it out you could probably get
> prosecuted.

There are many other restrictions to nearly any other kind of free materials :(

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Ejdzej Wikipedysta | 3 Aug 15:35
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Re: Polish money not covered by copyright

2007/8/3, Uber Halogen <uberhalogen@...>:
> IIRC one of the reasons money was removed is because even if the money
> is not copyrighted there all still 'unfree' restrictions imposed upon
> it. For example if you printed it out you could probably get
> prosecuted.

Well, if you print one of those:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Bills_of_the_United_States

you get in trouble too :)

As I remember, main reason for Polish money was that National Bank of
Poland states, they are copyrighted:
http://www.nbp.pl/home.aspx?f=disclaimer_banknoty.htm

According to analysis in Rzeczpospolita, NBP is wrong.

"Unfree restrictions" on money are IMHO similar to restrictions of
personal identity, trademark, etc. If copyright restriction is invalid
in this case, we could handle non-copyright restrictions by putting
warning template.

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Barcex | 3 Aug 16:21
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Re: Polish money not covered by copyright



2007/8/3, Uber Halogen <uberhalogen-gM/Ye1E23mwN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>:
On 02/08/2007, Ejdzej Wikipedysta <ejdzej.wikipedysta-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> Today "Rzeczpospolita" daily newspaper (one of most popular daily in
> Poland) put an article with lawyer analysis prooving that Polish money
> as "governmetal signs" are excluded from copyright.
>
> Article in Polish:
> http://ejdzej.webpark.pl/wiki/Prawo-znaki_pieniezne.jpg
>
> Could we possibly use that opinion to restore images of Polish coins
> and bills on Commons?

IIRC one of the reasons money was removed is because even if the money
is not copyrighted there all still 'unfree' restrictions imposed upon
it. For example if you printed it out you could probably get
prosecuted.


  If you print a PD picture on a piece of class, you could probably be prosecuted if you kill someone using that picture. :)  (just a joke)


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Nilfanion | 4 Aug 23:54

{{Cc-by-nc-sa-2.0-dual}} and other similar licenses

Why exactly is this template on the Commons? Obviously, it is an attempt to make commercial use as difficult as possible. Arguably it does that, and the image ultimately is freely licensed so there is no issue with it being on the Commons.

However, this style of template is contrary to the goal of free content. Any non-commercial user who uses an image to make a derivative is almost certainly going to pick the non-commercial CC license instead of the GFDL (as its easier to use); it will be rare that they will care about the free content mission enough to choose the "nasty" GFDL. This means that any derivatives will not be free content and furthermore due to the SA term any further derivatives will be locked in a non-commercial state.

If people have qualms about the commercial use of their image, then they should not be uploading it as "free" content. I think any images tagged with this template should be moved to GFDL-only licensing, Commons should not allow ever non-free licensing even as part of a dual license

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Gregory Maxwell | 5 Aug 00:03
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Re: {{Cc-by-nc-sa-2.0-dual}} and other similar licenses

On 8/4/07, Nilfanion <nilfanion@...> wrote:
[snip]
> Commons should not
> allow ever non-free licensing even as part of a dual license

Should we disallow PD or minimal licenses which allow later versions
to be made non-free?

I don't see how this is any worse.

I suppose you could make an argument that -nc looks more okay than it
is... and as such this is more of a problem normal licenses which
allow a work to be made non-free.
Nilfanion | 5 Aug 00:13

Re: {{Cc-by-nc-sa-2.0-dual}} and other similar licenses

Of course, the other issue is CC licenses are confusing enough as it is. This seems to suggest that Commons endorses the non-commercial license in some sense.

This license combination seems to be created solely to make commercial use as hard as possible whilst salving the uploader's conscience that it is still "free" (as it is technically...). If we just retag them to GFDL and move on would there be an issue?

On 04/08/07, Gregory Maxwell <gmaxwell-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
On 8/4/07, Nilfanion <nilfanion-gM/Ye1E23mwN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org > wrote:
[snip]
> Commons should not
> allow ever non-free licensing even as part of a dual license

Should we disallow PD or minimal licenses which allow later versions
to be made non-free?

I don't see how this is any worse.

I suppose you could make an argument that -nc looks more okay than it
is... and as such this is more of a problem normal licenses which
allow a work to be made non-free.

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Andrew Gray | 5 Aug 00:19
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Re: {{Cc-by-nc-sa-2.0-dual}} and other similar licenses

On 04/08/07, Nilfanion <nilfanion@...> wrote:
> Why exactly is this template on the Commons? Obviously, it is an attempt to
> make commercial use as difficult as possible. Arguably it does that, and the
> image ultimately is freely licensed so there is no issue with it being on
> the Commons.
>
> However, this style of template is contrary to the goal of free content. Any
> non-commercial user who uses an image to make a derivative is almost
> certainly going to pick the non-commercial CC license instead of the GFDL
> (as its easier to use); it will be rare that they will care about the free
> content mission enough to choose the "nasty" GFDL. This means that any
> derivatives will not be free content and furthermore due to the SA term any
> further derivatives will be locked in a non-commercial state.
>
> If people have qualms about the commercial use of their image, then they
> should not be uploading it as "free" content. I think any images tagged with
> this template should be moved to GFDL-only licensing, Commons should not
> allow ever non-free licensing even as part of a dual license

Something I've seen on enwp, and I suspect it's probably around
quietly on Commons as well - people licensing their images and then
adding (pre-emptively) a note saying "by the way, if you want to use
it for X or Y, go ahead with no strings attached, don't feel the need
to ask me permission".

That's a clearly nonfree license - should we prevent people doing this
as well? If not, where do we draw a line?

There are also the edge cases of "licenses that may not be completely
free" - witness the CC 3.0 debate, and there will no doub be similar
undetermined cases in the future. It seems vaguely sensible to allow
people to dual-license with these whilst we figure out the details...

I do feel it's helpful to our reusers - Commons serving to provide
free content to the wider community as well as WMF - to list all the
possible criteria under which an image can be used, to give them
flexibility. Perhaps what we need to consider here is *emphasising*
the free license[s] - the one we use it under - and having a clearly
secondary "other reuse licenses" line?

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