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Norman Walsh | 2 Aug 2002 14:13

Re: CSS issue in stylesheet


/ Ronald Daniel <rdaniel <at> interwoven.com> was heard to say:
| sent this to the wrong address, sigh.
|
| Hi Susan,
|
| That CSS is generated by the XSLT stylesheet which transforms
| 'xmlspec' documents to HTML. I've cc'ed the maintainer of the
| stylesheet to alert him to the problem.

I fixed the problem by removing the offending CSS fragment. I haven't
checked in the change yet, though, because I'm on the road...

| Best regards,
|
| Ron Daniel Jr.
| Standards Architect
| Interwoven, Inc.
| 803 11'th Ave.
| Sunnyvale, CA, USA  94089
| Tel: 408 530 5922
| Cell: 925 368 8371 
| Email: rdaniel <at> interwoven.com
|
| Visit www.interwoven.com
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|
|> -----Original Message-----
|> From: Susan Lesch [mailto:lesch <at> w3.org]
|> Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 10:36 PM

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Joseph Reagle | 7 Aug 2002 20:49

A real low-brow approach to generating ietf-drafts


Years ago, I used to use Ian's perl scripts; I then attempted to grok the 
spec DTD, and I'm finally back with a real simple xhtml template (I like 
WYSIWYG html editors; not pointy brackets) with a little python script.

-- 
* I will be on holiday the week of August 12th; I will try to return any 
calls or emails received the following week. 

Joseph Reagle Jr.                 http://www.w3.org/People/Reagle/
W3C Policy Analyst                mailto:reagle <at> w3.org
IETF/W3C XML-Signature Co-Chair   http://www.w3.org/Signature/
W3C XML Encryption Chair          http://www.w3.org/Encryption/2001/

J. Reagle Internet-Draft W3C/LCS/MIT Expires: February 2003 August 2002 application/xenc+xml Media Type Registration draft-reagle-xenc-mediatype-01

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Norman Walsh | 14 Aug 2002 23:14

Pubrules changes and TR metadata


Someone at the W3C must be harvesting metadata out of the headers for
documents posted on the TR page. Are you using a standard ontology
(e.g., Dublin Core) to store that metadata?

I ask because the pubrules changes mean that the metadata in XML Spec
has to change (for alternate forms of the document, for example).

It occurs to me that there are DC elements for this purpose, so if
you're dragging the data into DC anyway...maybe a bunch of the
elements in xmlspec should be replaced with DC elements?

                                        Be seeing you,
                                          norm

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Norman.Walsh <at> Sun.COM    | Life is pain...anyone who tells you
XML Standards Architect | differently is selling something.--Wesley
Sun Microsystems, Inc.  | (The Princess Bride)

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Dan Connolly | 15 Aug 2002 02:00

Re: Pubrules changes and TR metadata


On Wed, 2002-08-14 at 16:14, Norman Walsh wrote:
> 
> Someone at the W3C must be harvesting metadata out of the headers for
> documents posted on the TR page. Are you using a standard ontology
> (e.g., Dublin Core) to store that metadata?

Some dublin core and some homebrew.

Records look like:

<WD
rdf:about="http://www.w3.org/TR/2001/WD-rdf-syntax-grammar-20011218">
<dc:date>2001-12-18</dc:date>
<dc:title>RDF/XML Syntax Specification (Revised)</dc:title>
<doc:versionOf rdf:resource="http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-syntax-grammar"/>
<editor rdf:parseType="Resource">
<contact:fullName>Dave Beckett</contact:fullName>
</editor>
</WD>

excerpted from http://www.w3.org/2000/04/mem-news/tr.rdf

For details, see
http://www.w3.org/2002/01/tr-automation/

> I ask because the pubrules changes mean that the metadata in XML Spec
> has to change (for alternate forms of the document, for example).
> 
> It occurs to me that there are DC elements for this purpose, so if

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Norman Walsh | 15 Aug 2002 17:31

New release of XML Spec DTD/Stylesheets


To support the new pubrules, and because I've been meaning to do this
for the stylesheets for a long time, I've published a new set of DTDs
and Stylesheets at

  http://www.w3.org/2002/xmlspec/

This includes a 2.2 version of the DTD (with support for 'altlocs' to
handle the new pubrules and also with marked sections to make
customization practical). I made the executive decision that I could
publish 2.2 without warning or consultation. It may very well be the
case that I have no authority to do so. In any event, this message is
the only place that refers to that URI publically. I won't say
anything else in any other forum until there's some buy in.

                                        Be seeing you,
                                          norm

--

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Norman.Walsh <at> Sun.COM    | Language is by its very nature a communal
XML Standards Architect | thing; that is, it expresses never the exact
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                        | to you, me, and everybody.--T. E. Hulme

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Stefan Wachter | 21 Aug 2002 14:21

Examples needed


Hi all,

I want to document my soon to be released open source XML product (a 
Java-XML-Databinding framework that contains also a schema validating 
parser). For documenting it, I would like to use the xmlspec way. Can 
someone send me some examples using the xmlspec, e.g. the "source" of 
the XMLSchema documentation?

Thanks,
--Stefan

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Philippe Le Hegaret | 21 Aug 2002 15:45

Re: New release of XML Spec DTD/Stylesheets


On Thu, 2002-08-15 at 11:31, Norman Walsh wrote:
> 
> To support the new pubrules, and because I've been meaning to do this
> for the stylesheets for a long time, I've published a new set of DTDs
> and Stylesheets at
> 
>   http://www.w3.org/2002/xmlspec/
> 
> This includes a 2.2 version of the DTD (with support for 'altlocs' to
> handle the new pubrules and also with marked sections to make
> customization practical). I made the executive decision that I could
> publish 2.2 without warning or consultation. It may very well be the
> case that I have no authority to do so. In any event, this message is
> the only place that refers to that URI publically. I won't say
> anything else in any other forum until there's some buy in.

Thanks for the work Norm.

I'd like a few addition to the next version:
- would it be possible to define a namespace for the xmlspec elements?
  http://www.w3.org/2002/08/xmlspec (or something like this).
- would it possible to use xlink? ie s/href/xlink:href/
- the DOM added two attributes on the DOM extensions in xmlspec:
 <!--
  #1999-07-21: lehors: Added since and version attributes to most idl elements
  -->
 <!--    since attribute:
         Provides the version in which the element was introduced. -->
 <!ENTITY % idl-since.att

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Philippe Le Hegaret | 21 Aug 2002 15:55

Re: Examples needed


On Wed, 2002-08-21 at 08:21, Stefan Wachter wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I want to document my soon to be released open source XML product (a 
> Java-XML-Databinding framework that contains also a schema validating 
> parser). For documenting it, I would like to use the xmlspec way. Can 
> someone send me some examples using the xmlspec, e.g. the "source" of 
> the XMLSchema documentation?

have a look at the W3C Recommendation. Some of them are linking the XML
sources from their cover pages.

Philippe

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Philippe Le Hegaret | 21 Aug 2002 16:03

Re: New release of XML Spec DTD/Stylesheets

On Wed, 2002-08-21 at 09:53, Norman Walsh wrote:
> / Philippe Le Hegaret <plh <at> w3.org> was heard to say:
> | I'd like a few addition to the next version:
> | - would it be possible to define a namespace for the xmlspec elements?
> |   http://www.w3.org/2002/08/xmlspec (or something like this).
> 
> No. Doing so would break every existing stylesheet for xmlspec.

then let's change the stylesheet as well. I've been working with Ian on
an issue system designed for the W3C Process and I'd like to reuse the
xmlspec elements as much as possible.

> | - would it possible to use xlink? ie s/href/xlink:href/
> 
> Yes. But it would be a significant backwards-incompatibility problem.
> Certainly not something I'd want to do before a 3.0 release.

ok, but since we're going to have to replace the DTDs and stylesheets,
why don't we bite the bullet and switch to xmlspec v3.0 then. Lots of
WGs already have workarounds to be in sync with the latest pubrules so
the value of v2.2 is not really significant for them.

> | - the DOM added two attributes on the DOM extensions in xmlspec:
> |  <!--
> |   #1999-07-21: lehors: Added since and version attributes to most idl elements
> |   -->
> |  <!--    since attribute:
> |          Provides the version in which the element was introduced. -->
> |  <!ENTITY % idl-since.att

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Norman Walsh | 21 Aug 2002 15:53

Re: New release of XML Spec DTD/Stylesheets


/ Philippe Le Hegaret <plh <at> w3.org> was heard to say:
| I'd like a few addition to the next version:
| - would it be possible to define a namespace for the xmlspec elements?
|   http://www.w3.org/2002/08/xmlspec (or something like this).

No. Doing so would break every existing stylesheet for xmlspec.

| - would it possible to use xlink? ie s/href/xlink:href/

Yes. But it would be a significant backwards-incompatibility problem.
Certainly not something I'd want to do before a 3.0 release.

| - the DOM added two attributes on the DOM extensions in xmlspec:
|  <!--
|   #1999-07-21: lehors: Added since and version attributes to most idl elements
|   -->
|  <!--    since attribute:
|          Provides the version in which the element was introduced. -->
|  <!ENTITY % idl-since.att
|          'since                  CDATA           #IMPLIED'>
|
|  <!--    version attribute:
|          Provides the version in which the element was modified. -->
|  <!ENTITY % idl-version.att
|          'version                CDATA           #IMPLIED'>
|
| Have a look at [1] to see where we use them. I quickly adapted your
| version with what we're using today. If you add the two attributes, I'll
| be able to use v2.2 without modifying at all.

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