David Burton | 1 Feb 20:22 2012
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Re: TriZPUG reminder - meeting this Thursday

I filed a support request with UNC, asking for Internet access as a visitor, and received the following e-mail response, plus a phone call:

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: UNC-CH PTR <arsys-VmDwfsRW9dDyN1fNyCEQT3imJQPt71L+@public.gmane.org>
Date: Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 9:24 PM

Dear Customer : The worklog of your problem ticket has the following new information.
  Worklog Entry: Called user and let him know since he did not have a direct affiliation with the university we could not register, but advised user if he could find the person affiliated with the university in the group, they could register under their credentials, or user could seek to get affiliate role and then register himself.

The gentleman who called me explained that UNC needs to restrict access to only computers that are in its database, so that they can track internet access, and assign blame for copyright violations.  (That seems very big-brother-ish, to me; I guess things haven't changed much since I was in college: college students seemingly still are considered less than full citizens, with less than normal rights.)

He suggested that I get someone in the group who has a UNC affiliation to register my computer under his credentials, if I need Internet access while on campus.  (Contrary to the email, he did not hold out any hope that I could "get [an] affiliate role" and register myself -- I asked if I could get my own credentials, and he said no.)

Alternately, perhaps we could program a cheap router to spoof a registered MAC address, for use at our meetings?  I don't know whether that might get someone in trouble.

I don't really need Internet, I guess, except that I might need it to do a lightning on, for example, lxml.

Of course, if we're going to meet off-campus, this is all moot, I guess.

Dave


On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 6:55 AM, David Burton <ncdave4life-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
The UNC classroom meeting place was very nice in many ways:  plenty of room, nice desks, and a fantastic computer projection screen.  The difficulty finding it (and getting there on a game night) was the worst problem..  However, one other surprising (to me) disappointment about the UNC meeting location was the lack of Internet access.

There were three visible wireless SSIDs, all with strong signals:
"UNC-Setup" -- open, but I couldn't do anything but ping the gateway
"UNC-1" -- need passphrase
"UNC-Secure" -- need passphrase

Reading on the UNC web site, it appears that they try very hard to limit access to "members of the UNC community" (which doesn't include the NC taxpayers who merely pay much of the bill).  Apparently, they go to the remarkable trouble of keeping a campus-wide database of authorized MAC addresses, and their DHCP servers are configured to access this database and block access from unauthorized MAC addresses: http://help.unc.edu/4924

Even wired access is apparently blocked through this mechanism, which would seem to rule out my 2nd thought, which was to just bring a wireless router to the meetings and plug it in somewhere.

So, if we need Internet access for a presentation, is there a good solution to this problem?  (Programming a router to spoof some MAC address in the database doesn't seem like a "good" solution!)


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<p>I filed a support request with UNC, asking for Internet access as a visitor, and received the following e-mail response, plus a phone call:<br><br></p>
<blockquote>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From:&nbsp;UNC-CH PTR&nbsp;<span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:arsys@...edu">arsys@...</a>&gt;<br></span>Date: Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 9:24 PM<br><br>Dear Customer : The worklog of your problem ticket has the following new information.<br>&nbsp; Worklog Entry: Called user and let him know since he did not have a direct affiliation with the university we could not register, but advised user if he could find the person affiliated with the university in the group, they could register under their credentials, or user could seek to get affiliate role and then register himself.</blockquote>
<br>The gentleman who called me explained that UNC needs to restrict access to only computers that are in its database, so that they can track internet access, and assign blame for copyright violations. &nbsp;(That seems very big-brother-ish, to me;&nbsp;I guess things haven't changed much since I was in college: college students seemingly still are considered less than full citizens, with less than normal rights.)<br><br>He suggested that I get someone in the group who has a UNC affiliation to register my computer under his credentials, if I need Internet access while on campus. &nbsp;(Contrary to the email, he did not hold out any hope that I could "get [an] affiliate role" and register myself -- I asked if I could get my own credentials, and he said no.)<br><div><br></div>
<div>Alternately, perhaps we could program a cheap router to spoof a registered MAC address, for use at our meetings? &nbsp;I don't know whether that might get someone in trouble.<br><br>I don't really need Internet, I guess, except that I might need it to do a lightning on, for example, lxml.<br><br>Of course, if we're going to meet off-campus, this is all moot, I guess.</div>
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<br>Dave<br><br>
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<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 6:55 AM, David Burton <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ncdave4life@...">ncdave4life@...</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote">The UNC classroom meeting place was very nice in many ways: &nbsp;plenty of room, nice desks, and a fantastic computer projection screen. &nbsp;The difficulty finding it (and getting there on a game night) was the worst problem.. &nbsp;However, one other surprising (to me) disappointment about the UNC meeting location was the lack of Internet access.<div>

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<div>There were three visible wireless SSIDs, all with strong signals:</div>
<div>"UNC-Setup" -- open, but I couldn't do anything but ping the gateway</div>
<div>"UNC-1" -- need passphrase</div>

<div>"UNC-Secure" -- need passphrase</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Reading on the UNC web site, it appears that they try very hard to limit access to "members of the UNC community" (which doesn't include the NC taxpayers who merely pay much of the bill). &nbsp;Apparently, they go to the remarkable trouble of keeping a campus-wide database of authorized MAC addresses, and their DHCP servers are configured to access this database and block access from unauthorized MAC addresses:&nbsp;<a href="http://help.unc.edu/4924" target="_blank">http://help.unc.edu/4924</a>
</div>

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<div>Even wired access is apparently blocked through this mechanism, which would seem to rule out my 2nd thought, which was to just bring a wireless router to the meetings and plug it in somewhere.</div>
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<div>So, if we need Internet access for a presentation, is there a good solution to this problem? &nbsp;(Programming a router to spoof some MAC address in the database doesn't seem like a "good" solution!)</div>

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Chris Calloway | 3 Feb 17:20 2012
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Websites

You may or not have noticed yesterday that trizpug.org sites (www, trac, 
svn, planet, etc.) were unavailable. There was a hard drive failure. Our 
excellent providers at server4you.com had it fixed within three hours of 
my filing a ticket.

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Chris Calloway | 3 Feb 18:29 2012
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WAT

https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat

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Josh Johnson | 7 Feb 15:27 2012
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ANN: TRILUG Meeting This Week, Hosted/Sponsored by WebAssign

Hi all,
I know a lot of us are on the same mailing lists, but I wanted to make
sure everyone knew that the TRILUG meeting this week will be sponsored
by WebAssign, where I'm working these days.

Details: http://trilug.org/2012-02-09/tnc

The topic involves open standards for network security - it should be
very interesting.

Lots of folks from the company will be there (including myself) -- did
I mention WebAssign is hiring?

Thanks,
JJ
Justis Peters | 13 Feb 04:37 2012
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next meeting

When is it, where is it, and what's the topic?
Chris Calloway | 14 Feb 03:40 2012
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Re: next meeting

On 2/12/2012 10:37 PM, Justis Peters wrote:
> When is it, where is it, and what's the topic?

Alex Kesling is attempting to reserve a room at NCSU for the usual 
fourth Thursday meeting every third month in Raleigh. He should know in 
a couple of days. Thanks to Alex for the help with Raleigh meeting space.

As usual, the topic is up to you. If you have something to present, 
sound off.

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Chris Calloway http://nccoos.org/Members/cbc
office: 3313 Venable Hall   phone: (919) 599-3530
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599
Josh Johnson | 15 Feb 00:45 2012
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Re: next meeting

If there's anything I can do to help make sure the meeting happens,
I'm right here across the street from the usual NCSU locale.

I'm working on some Twisted stuff and Pyramid stuff, I'd be happy to
present either (votes as to which?)

JJ

On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 9:40 PM, Chris Calloway <cbc@...> wrote:
> On 2/12/2012 10:37 PM, Justis Peters wrote:
>>
>> When is it, where is it, and what's the topic?
>
>
> Alex Kesling is attempting to reserve a room at NCSU for the usual fourth
> Thursday meeting every third month in Raleigh. He should know in a couple of
> days. Thanks to Alex for the help with Raleigh meeting space.
>
> As usual, the topic is up to you. If you have something to present, sound
> off.
>
> --
> Sincerely,
>
> Chris Calloway http://nccoos.org/Members/cbc
> office: 3313 Venable Hall   phone: (919) 599-3530
> mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug
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Alex | 15 Feb 07:41 2012
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Re: next meeting

I'd vote for Twisted. I've been meaning to pick it up of late and it might be interesting to hear about some real world usage.

~Alex

On Feb 14, 2012 6:45 PM, "Josh Johnson" <lionface.lemonface <at> gmail.com> wrote:
If there's anything I can do to help make sure the meeting happens,
I'm right here across the street from the usual NCSU locale.

I'm working on some Twisted stuff and Pyramid stuff, I'd be happy to
present either (votes as to which?)

JJ

On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 9:40 PM, Chris Calloway <cbc-gpQNmkgQrW4@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> On 2/12/2012 10:37 PM, Justis Peters wrote:
>>
>> When is it, where is it, and what's the topic?
>
>
> Alex Kesling is attempting to reserve a room at NCSU for the usual fourth
> Thursday meeting every third month in Raleigh. He should know in a couple of
> days. Thanks to Alex for the help with Raleigh meeting space.
>
> As usual, the topic is up to you. If you have something to present, sound
> off.
>
> --
> Sincerely,
>
> Chris Calloway http://nccoos.org/Members/cbc
> office: 3313 Venable Hall   phone: (919) 599-3530
> mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599
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<p>I'd vote for Twisted. I've been meaning to pick it up of late and it might be interesting to hear about some real world usage.</p>
<p>~Alex</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Feb 14, 2012 6:45 PM, "Josh Johnson" &lt;<a href="mailto:lionface.lemonface@...">lionface.lemonface <at> gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote">
If there's anything I can do to help make sure the meeting happens,<br>
I'm right here across the street from the usual NCSU locale.<br><br>
I'm working on some Twisted stuff and Pyramid stuff, I'd be happy to<br>
present either (votes as to which?)<br><br>
JJ<br><br>
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 9:40 PM, Chris Calloway &lt;<a href="mailto:cbc <at> unc.edu">cbc@...</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; On 2/12/2012 10:37 PM, Justis Peters wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; When is it, where is it, and what's the topic?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Alex Kesling is attempting to reserve a room at NCSU for the usual fourth<br>
&gt; Thursday meeting every third month in Raleigh. He should know in a couple of<br>
&gt; days. Thanks to Alex for the help with Raleigh meeting space.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; As usual, the topic is up to you. If you have something to present, sound<br>
&gt; off.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; --<br>
&gt; Sincerely,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Chris Calloway <a href="http://nccoos.org/Members/cbc" target="_blank">http://nccoos.org/Members/cbc</a><br>
&gt; office: 3313 Venable Hall &nbsp; phone: <a href="tel:%28919%29%20599-3530" value="+19195993530">(919) 599-3530</a><br>
&gt; mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599<br>
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&gt; TriZPUG mailing list<br>
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&gt; <a href="http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug" target="_blank">http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug</a><br>
&gt; <a href="http://trizpug.org" target="_blank">http://trizpug.org</a> is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group<br>
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Chris Calloway | 15 Feb 20:45 2012
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Re: next meeting

On 2/14/2012 6:45 PM, Josh Johnson wrote:
> If there's anything I can do to help make sure the meeting happens,
> I'm right here across the street from the usual NCSU locale.

Alex has made sure it is happening. Thanks Alex. Announcement coming 
within a few hours.

> I'm working on some Twisted stuff and Pyramid stuff, I'd be happy to
> present either (votes as to which?)

I vote for both. :)

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Chris Calloway | 16 Feb 01:28 2012
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TriZPUG November 2011 Meeting: Twisted Pyramid

Thursday, February 23, 7:00pm (Note: This meeting is back on the regular 
7pm start time!)

Room 2240, Engineering Building 3, NCSU Centennial Campus, 911 Oval 
Drive, Raleigh.

http://www.engr.ncsu.edu/maps/building/EB3

Josh Johnson will talk about work he has been doing with Twisted and 
Pyramid. As always, spontaneous lightning talks of ten minutes or less 
on other topics are also welcome. Anything you've learned about Python, 
no matter how trivial, can be a lightning talk. There's plenty of after 
hours parking in the decks on Partners Way. If we can agree on what 
nearby means at the meeting, there may be an after-meeting at a nearby pub.

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office: 3313 Venable Hall   phone: (919) 599-3530
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599

Gmane