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Mac Calder | 3 Oct 2005 05:46
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Re: Progress User Group

Hey MLUGers.

Is anyone interested in doing a 1 hour talk for the victorian progress
user group.

The subject: Linux as a server, often replacing an ageing SCO OS on an
Intel platform.  The server would primarily be a Database server
either with local telnet clients or application agents accessing the
database.

The audience would primarily be Administrator/Technical/Development
type people.  The format of the evening is usually a 1 hour
presentation followed by Beer, Pizza and Q&A session, finishing off
with a short Tips and Trick slot.

If you are interested, email me off list, and I will give you the
contact number of the co-ordinator of the group to further discuss the
issue.

It would be on the 8th of this month, sorry about the short notice.
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If you want a GMAIL invite, please please please take one off my hands
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Bulkan Savun Evcimen | 4 Oct 2005 10:16
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Linux Companies in Victoria

Hi all,

I was just wondering if anyone knows about Linux Companies in Victoria (Melbourne?) that are involved with
programming in C/C++ or Java and will they be willing to hire a third 3yr Software Engineering student as an
Intern for 12 months ?

Thanks in advance!
Regards
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Rick Miles | 10 Oct 2005 21:27
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online accessibility

I have found reports whitepapers etc. but haven't yet found any state (VIC) or 
federal legislation with reference to internet accessibility to 
forms/info/and such.

Does anyone know of any specific laws with regards to accessibility?

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Cheers,

Rick Miles

Movement stopped is no movement,
and rest set in motion is no rest.

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Mac Calder | 11 Oct 2005 00:13
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Re: online accessibility

On 10/11/05, Rick Miles <rickfrm <at> optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> I have found reports whitepapers etc. but haven't yet found any state (VIC) or
> federal legislation with reference to internet accessibility to
> forms/info/and such.
>
> Does anyone know of any specific laws with regards to accessibility?
>
>

accessibility to govt info? or accessibility as in how accessible
their websites should be made? It seems like most govt departments
have websites with stuff on them - the accessibility of those sites is
shockingly poor. As far as legislation goes, I doubt the minister for
communications, information and technology and the arts even knows how
to open up a word processor let alone use the internet, so I doubt
there are any laws regarding accessibility arround.

> --
> Cheers,
>
> Rick Miles
>
> Movement stopped is no movement,
> and rest set in motion is no rest.
>
> Written on Prickle-Prickle, the 65th of Bureaucracy, 3171
> http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/~rickfrm/
>
>
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Geoffrey Scott | 11 Oct 2005 00:40

Re: online accessibility

On Oct 11/10/2005 08:13 AM, Mac Calder <mac.calder <at> gmail.com> wrote:

> On 10/11/05, Rick Miles <rickfrm <at> optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> > I have found reports whitepapers etc. but haven't yet found any
> > state (VIC) or
> > federal legislation with reference to internet accessibility to
> > forms/info/and such.
> >
> > Does anyone know of any specific laws with regards to accessibility?
> >
> >
> 
> accessibility to govt info? or accessibility as in how accessible
> their websites should be made? It seems like most govt departments
> have websites with stuff on them - the accessibility of those sites is
> shockingly poor. As far as legislation goes, I doubt the minister for
> communications, information and technology and the arts even knows how
> to open up a word processor let alone use the internet, so I doubt
> there are any laws regarding accessibility arround.
> 
> > --
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Rick Miles

If you are talking about accessability for disabled people and you want
to follow some guidelines probably the UK laws and guidelines that
govern accessability will help you to design a site that covers the
usage by blind people etc. That's if yu are interested in avoiding any
problems in the future caused by legislation brought in by the Aus gov.
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Gabriele Bartolini | 11 Oct 2005 02:49
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Re: online accessibility

I am not very practical yet with the Australian laws, although I believe
Web accessibility fits into the Disability Discrimination Act 1992
("DDA"). I found an interesting article from HREOC [3].

However, world trends (including US, Italy, etc.) are to follow the W3C
guidelines in terms of Web Content accessibility (WCAG). The current
standard is WCAG 1.0 (1999) and WCAG 2.0 is on the way.

I suggest you have a look at the guidelines [1] and at least the HTML
techniques[2]. However, the topic is quite extensive and I don't think it
is quite appropriate for this list. If you need more information, don't
hesitate to contact me.

Cheers,
-Gabriele

[1] http://www.w3.org/TR/WAI-WEBCONTENT/
[2] http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10-HTML-TECHS/
[3] http://www.hreoc.gov.au/disability_rights/standards/www_3/www_3.html

Rick Miles said:
> I have found reports whitepapers etc. but haven't yet found any state
> (VIC) or
> federal legislation with reference to internet accessibility to
> forms/info/and such.
>
> Does anyone know of any specific laws with regards to accessibility?
>
>
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Rick Miles | 11 Oct 2005 20:40
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Re: online accessibility

Geoffrey Scott is a darn nice person I don't care what anybody says!
<snip>
>
> If you are talking about accessability for disabled people and you want
> to follow some guidelines probably the UK laws and guidelines that
> govern accessability will help you to design a site that covers the
> usage by blind people etc. That's if yu are interested in avoiding any
> problems in the future caused by legislation brought in by the Aus gov.
>
<snip>
I'm looking at this in terms of restriction of access there are some 
quidelines regarding the disabled that apply/imply what I'm concerned with 
but they don't discuss restriction of access by certifying that website works 
with MS IE only. To quote Commonwealth Bank when I asked:

"NetBank is certified to operate with Microsoft Internet Explorer 
only.  Whilst we do not currently offer any form of technical support for the 
browser you currently use, other customers have been successful accessing 
NetBank using browsers other than NetBank supported browsers.  If you do 
experience access difficulties whilst using your browser, we recommend you 
use Internet Explorer on your PC to view NetBank."

That doesn't help the retiree who can afford to buy a $250.00 used PC but not 
an MS operating system, if indeed he/she can legally buy one that runs on an 
older machine. So with linux installed they may or may not be able to bank 
et. al. online if they can figure out how to change their user agent settings 
which may or may not help in some instances.

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Leon Blakeley | 12 Oct 2005 02:44
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Re: online accessibility

Rick Miles wrote:

> Geoffrey Scott is a darn nice person I don't care what anybody says!
> <snip>

> 
> <snip>
> I'm looking at this in terms of restriction of access there are some 
> quidelines regarding the disabled that apply/imply what I'm concerned with 
> but they don't discuss restriction of access by certifying that website works 
> with MS IE only. To quote Commonwealth Bank when I asked:
How many ISP's won't talk to you if you're not operating in a windows 
environment? That must be in the same category!
> 
> "NetBank is certified to operate with Microsoft Internet Explorer 
> only.
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Geoffrey Scott | 12 Oct 2005 05:40

RE: online accessibility

Rick Miles wrote:
> Geoffrey Scott is a darn nice person I don't care what anybody says!
> <snip>

Does my reputation precede me?  ;-)

Regards Geoff Scott
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Tony Langdon | 12 Oct 2005 05:35
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RE: online accessibility

At 01:40 PM 10/12/2005, you wrote:
>Rick Miles wrote:
> > Geoffrey Scott is a darn nice person I don't care what anybody says!
> > <snip>
>
>Does my reputation precede me?  ;-)

Rick's just a suck... LOL

j/k

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