vietlugml | 1 Jul 15:49
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[HanoiLUG] [Fwd: [vnit] More Thoughts on Software Copyright Protection]


--- David Tremblay <david <at> roy-tremblay.net> wrote:

> Maybe the guys had thoughts but they are not
> completely accurate.
> 
> Maybe someone should explain me why they oppose
> "open source" to
> commercial software, why do they think that "made in
> vietnam software"
> is not subjected to copyright violation
> 
> and please explain me why do we talk about "open
> source software" in
> vietnam when we talk about fighting copyright
> violation ?
> 
> Is someone willing to start discussing the merit of
> FOSS in for itself ?
> 
> 

This is a very complicated topic.

They did not oppose commercial software if you read it
carefully. Software companies in VN worry about their
products being pirated and there isn't any enforcement
to protect their interest. If this is truly the real
concern then their only option is to use BSD license
for those that wish to develop and sell open source
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Nguyen Vu Hung | 2 Jul 08:00
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Re: [HanoiLUG] [Fwd: [vnit] More Thoughts on Software Copyright Protection]

Hi,

Please skip me a self introduction and go ahead to the discussion.

On 7/1/07, vietlugml <vietlugml <at> yahoo.com.vn> wrote:
>
> --- David Tremblay <david <at> roy-tremblay.net> wrote:
>
> > Maybe the guys had thoughts but they are not
> > completely accurate.
> >
> > Maybe someone should explain me why they oppose
> > "open source" to
> > commercial software, why do they think that "made in
> > vietnam software"
> > is not subjected to copyright violation
> >
> > and please explain me why do we talk about "open
> > source software" in
> > vietnam when we talk about fighting copyright
> > violation ?
> >
> > Is someone willing to start discussing the merit of
> > FOSS in for itself ?
> >
> >
>
> This is a very complicated topic.
and it is a long topic.
The FOSS, as a evolution is still in is developing stage and it is
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vietlugml | 2 Jul 15:58
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[HanoiLUG] [Fwd: [vnit] More Thoughts on Software Copyright Protection]


--- Nguyen Vu Hung <vuhung16plus <at> gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Please skip me a self introduction and go ahead to
> the discussion.
> 
> On 7/1/07, vietlugml <vietlugml <at> yahoo.com.vn> wrote:
> >
> > --- David Tremblay <david <at> roy-tremblay.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Maybe the guys had thoughts but they are not
> > > completely accurate.
> > >
> > > Maybe someone should explain me why they oppose
> > > "open source" to
> > > commercial software, why do they think that
> "made in
> > > vietnam software"
> > > is not subjected to copyright violation
> > >
> > > and please explain me why do we talk about "open
> > > source software" in
> > > vietnam when we talk about fighting copyright
> > > violation ?
> > >
> > > Is someone willing to start discussing the merit
> of
> > > FOSS in for itself ?
(Continue reading)

Nguyen Vu Hung | 2 Jul 16:07
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Re: [HanoiLUG] [Fwd: [vnit] More Thoughts on Software Copyright Protection]

On 7/2/07, vietlugml <vietlugml@...> wrote:
>
> Don't forget the original post was targeted at
> software companies in VN, not dedicated OSS
> developers.
>
Sorry, I was in at the middle of the dicussion :D
> > Software development processes in FOSS are done by
> > different
> > target: To gain popularity, to gain market share, to
> > gain free developers +
> > free users + free testers  = community. This is done
> > by opening source code.
> >
> > I don't think BSD license and GPL license are
> > important in Vietnam
> > because no many peopel care/understand them.
>
> This is sadly through but community, such as HanoiLUG,
> needs address the differences. I'm not saying BSD
> license is better than GPL, though I personally think
> it does, but please address the different licenses to
> the folks so they could make the right decision.
/me learning to quote :D

Please welcome me

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Nguyen Hung Vu
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AD Marshall | 2 Jul 17:46
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Fwd: [vnit] Videoconference with Mark Shuttleworth, July 6 at 15h00 PM

FYI cac bac - ADM

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To: OSS-isoc <oss-AD3YYtZiLYVAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>, "[vnit-l discussion group]" < vnit-l-KHDhcqqrnClcYUQs2IXCwA@public.gmane.org>, Opportunities MailingLIST <opportunities-gmh1bpvZPTIf5pWR6W/z3g@public.gmane.org>, KnowledgeManagement MailingList < ksd-vn-KHDhcqqrnClcYUQs2IXCwA@public.gmane.org>

Righteously cool.  Awesome even.  ;)  Thanks, David.  (Will mail Ivan
for update on HCMC venue and post here if not posted by other[s]
first.)

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On 7/2/07, David Tremblay <david-Cw2/07g35Q3R7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> (reserve your friday afternoon - and )
>
> Videoconference with Mark Shuttleworth, July 6 at 15h00 PM
>
> The video conference organized by the OpenLAB in HCMC, will have for
> subject "Open Standards, ODF/OOXML and Ubuntu for Vietnam and the World"
> and will happens friday June 6 at 15h00 PM
>
> People from the community of Open source developers and user, ministries
> and business representatives will gather to the following places to
> watch and participate :
>
>
> - HDLC (Ho Chi Minh city we don't know where it is)
>
> - VDIC (Hanoi - Ground floor, 63 Ly Thai To, Hanoi) (to be confirmed)
>
> ( http://www.vdic.org.vn/?name=contactus&op=contactus&mid=313 )
>
> - IFI (Hanoi Lane 42 on Ta Quang Buu ) (to be confirmed)
>
> http://blog.hanoilug.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/plan-cnf.png
>
>
> When : July 6 at 15h00 PM
>
>
>
> About The openLAB
>
> OpenLAB was opened last October 2006 as a co-operation between the
> department Post and Telecom and the US-based Intel Semiconductor Inc.
>
> The laboratory will support the Ministry of Science and Technology's HCM
> City Open Source Application and Development project with research
> through 2008.
>
>
> http://www.oss-hcm.gov.vn
>
>
> About Mark Shuttleworth
>
> Mark is founder of the Ubuntu Project, an enterprise Linux distribution
> that is freely available worldwide and has both cutting-edge desktop and
> enterprise server editions, and has become very popular.
>
>
> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/biography
>
>
> http://www.independent.ie/business/technology/rocket-man-701637.html
>
>
> What is Ubuntu?
>
> Ubuntu is a community developed operating system that is perfect for
> laptops, desktops and servers. Whether you use it at home, at school or
> at work Ubuntu contains all the applications you'll ever need, from word
> processing and email applications, to web server software and
> programming tools.
>
> http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu
>
>
>
>
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Larry Nguyen | 2 Jul 18:32

New openSUSE Linux mirror ta.i VN

http://www.saigonlinux.com:8080/SLG/vietnam-linux-mirror

-Larry

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Re: New openSUSE Linux mirror ta.i VN

On 7/3/07, Larry Nguyen <larry@...> wrote:
> http://www.saigonlinux.com:8080/SLG/vietnam-linux-mirror
>
> -Larry
>
Thanks anh Larry,

FYI, If anyone wants to try OpenSuse 10.2 with latest KDE 3.5.5:

http://developer.kde.org/~binner/vmware/

All you need is some RAM ( > 1.5GB :D recommended )

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Larry Nguyen | 6 Jul 03:17

Fwd: Call For Platinum Partnership

Cho ba'c na`o quan ta^m dde^'n partnership vo+'i Mandriva.

-Larry

        ------  Original Message  ------
Subject: Call For Platinum Partnership
To:      larry@...
From:    Mandriva Team <return@...>
Date:    Fri,  6 Jul 2007 01:54:53 +0200 (CEST)

Mandriva is the publisher of Mandriva Linux, an easy-to-use and
innovative operating system. Dedicated to making open source
technologies accessible to all users, the company offers a full range
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Mandriva is looking for companies which can officially represent
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We are looking for other countries apart from these where we can
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--------------------------------------------
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David Tremblay | 12 Jul 03:52

[Fwd: [Asiasource2-participants] FINAL CALL FOR PARTICIPATION - Linux Training of Trainers LPIC-1 + FOSS Business Models - Hanoi, Vietnam]

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Sujet: [Asiasource2-participants] FINAL CALL FOR PARTICIPATION - Linux
Training of Trainers LPIC-1 + FOSS Business Models - Hanoi, Vietnam
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 13:26:22 -0700 (PDT)

FINAL CALL FOR PARTICIPATION 

Linux Training of Trainers LPIC-1 + FOSS Business Models 
Hanoi, Vietnam 
30 July to 10 August 2007 

APPLICATION DEADLINE: 20 JULY 2007 

Do you want to be a certified Linux trainer (LPIC-1)? 

Do you want to know more about how to create business by offering a training on Free and Open Source Software? 

IOSN ASEAN+3 in cooperation with InWEnt Capacity Building International, Germany and NetNam
Corporation of Vietnam are holding a training of trainers session in Hanoi, Vietnam for Vietnamese
participants over 10 days (30th July-10th August). 

This course prepares participants for Linux Professionals Institute (www.lpi.org or LPI)
certification as well as to become Linux trainers in their own right.  After the training, the trainers
will sit for examination to be certified as LPIC Level 1 Linux professionals. 

The low cost LPI certification exam on the 11th August is open to all. 

Why a train-the-trainer approach? 

A major barrier against adoption and deployment of Free and Open Source Software (FOSS) in developing of
countries in the Asia Pacific is the lack of human resources with FOSS skills. This programme aims to
address the problem by training trainers in countries, so that these trainers in turn will be able to train
other trainers and therefore commence self-sustaining development of FOSS human resources. 

Why training on business models? 

Countries that want to adopt FOSS need to build capacity for ICT and FOSS by developing and increasing the
pool of human resource skilled in FOSS application and development. Countries face several barriers
that must be addressed simultaneously. These barriers include lack of local trainers and developers,
high costs of training and certification, and lack of awareness in industry of the benefits of FOSS, FOSS
trained human resource, as well as viable FOSS business models. 

Yet, as observed from IOSN's previous engagements, awareness and capacity development cannot be
endpoints in and of themselves. A nurturing ICT ecosystem must exist wherein suppliers and end users of
FOSS products and services are able to understand each other's roles and support each other's needs. 

Therefore, in addition, a 2-day parallel seminar on Introduction to FOSS Business Models will be
conducted. The training is part of the it <at> foss initative (www.it-foss.org). 

Component 1: TRAINING - LPIC Level 1 certification (for systems administrators) 

** Trainees will be able to maintain workstations and basic LAN and Internet server services. 
** Detailed objectives for LPIC Level 1 certification are available from the links provided below: 

LPI 101 Objectives 
http://lpi.org/en/lpi/english/certification/the_lpic_program/exam_101_detailed_objectives 
LPI 102 Objectives 
http://lpi.org/en/lpi/english/certification/the_lpic_program/exam_102_detailed_objectives 

Component 2: INTRODUCTION TO FOSS BUSINESS MODELS 

Invited to participate are executives, chief information officers (CIOs), managers, business owners
and entrepeneurs from SMEs, NGOs and government agencies. 

The seminar aims to present experiences and business strategies by guest speakers from Vietnam and from
other countries touching on free software business models usually based on adding value such as services
and support, product enhancement and customization, enabling hardware components, dual licensing,
solution integration, lowering cost of end-of-life, training, and certification. 

Business people related to the Linux trainees in Component 1 have higher priority. 

LPI LEVEL 1 CERTIFICATION EXAMS 

This will be held on the SATURDAY, 11 August 2007 and is open to the public. 

A separate call will be released specific to this examination. 

PARTICIPANT QUALIFICATIONS: 

For Component 1 (Linux System Administrators) 

** Vietnamese presently residing and working in small-to-medium sized enterprises (SMEs),
non-governmental organizations (NGOs), and government agencies in Vietnam. 
** Minimum of 2 to 3 years of relevant experience in Linux system and network administration and
deployment. 
** Familiar with and user and/or developer of Free and Open Source Software (FOSS). 
** Willing and permitted to undergo a 10-day (Monday-Friday, 8:00AM-5:00PM) continuous training. 
** Focused on training other prospective trainers in their localities to sustain and promote
self-sustaining development of FOSS human resources. 
** Females are highly encouraged to participate to achieve gender balance. 

For Component 2 (FOSS Business Models) 

** Institutional Leaders of participants in Component 1 (LTOT-1) 
** Other leaders of small-to-medium enterprises, non-governmental organizations, and government
agencies 

APPLICATION 
Interested individuals are invited to apply for participation by sending via email the application form
to: asean3[AT]iosn[DOT]net . 

APPLICATION FORM 

Download the application form at: 

ODT format:

http://www.iosn.net/asean-3/countries/vietnam/events/linux-training-of-trainers/vietnam-ltot-application-forms/FORM-APPLICATION-VNLTOT.odt 

PDF format:

http://www.iosn.net/asean-3/countries/vietnam/events/linux-training-of-trainers/vietnam-ltot-application-forms/FORM-APPLICATION-VNLTOT.pdf 

APPLICATION DEADLINE: 20 JULY 2007 

============================================================ 
Advance Notice for another opportunity for FOSS-oriented companies in Vietnam: Cross the FOSS -Bridge
between Vietnam and Europe! 

Do you want to team up with a European FOSS-company for joint business? 
Are you interested in European expertise in Free and Open Source Software (FOSS)? 

Do you want to develop joint software projects based on FOSS? 

Then you could also be interested in the initiative FOSS bridge "EU-Vietnam" which will soon launch a call
for Vietnamese companies who are interested in teaming up with European FOSS-companies for joint
software projects. 

The EU (Asia Invest Program) and BMZ (German Federal Ministry for Economic Cooperation and Development)
funded project FOSS bridge "EU-Vietnam" - Joint Business through Free and Open Source Software (FOSS) is
counting on your contribution to achieve its main goal: 

Strengthening Southeast Asian software industries and boosting cooperation with Europe through
innovative collaboration on free and open source software (FOSS) business development. The initiative
is implemented by InWEnt of Germany (Capacity Building International), INRIA (Institut National de
Recherche en Informatique et en Automatique) of France and IOIT (Institute of Information Technology)
of Vietnam. 

If you are interested in a twinning or other components of FOSS Bridge, please send an e-mail to:
contact <at> foss-bridge.org. We will get back to you with more information. Also, an application form will
be online soon at www.foss-bridge.org. 
============================================================ 

FUNDING AND IMPLEMENTING PARTNERS 

INTERNATIONAL OPEN SOURCE NETWORK 

IOSN is a United Nations Development Programme (UNDP) Centre of Excellence in Free/Open Source Software
(FOSS) for the Asia-Pacific region. It was established by UNDP Asia Pacific Development Information
Programme (APDIP) in 2002 through the support of the International Development Research Centre (IDRC)
of Canada. Through a virtual secretariat - and now a network of sub-regional centres, IOSN South Asia
(based in India), IOSN Pacific Islands Countries (Fiji), and IOSN ASEAN+3 (Philippines), it shapes its
activities around FOSS technologies and applications; awareness and advocacy; and capacity building
initiatives. 

IOSN ASEAN+3 sub-regional centre for the Southeast Asian countries is based at the University of
Philippines Manila. The geographical mandate of IOSN ASEAN+3 encompasses Brunei, Cambodia,
Indonesia, Laos, Malaysia, Myanmar, Philippines, Singapore, Thailand, Vietnam, China, Japan and
Korea. IOSN ASEAN+3 is tasked specifically to facilitate and network FOSS advocates, experts, and
developers in these 13 countries to foster the adoption of FOSS. The vision is to have developing
countries in these countries achieve rapid and sustained economic and social development with the
utilization of affordable yet effective FOSS ICT solutions to bridge the digital divide.

URL: http://www.iosn.net 

INWENT CAPACITY BUILDING INTERNATIONAL, GERMANY 

Through its it <at> inwent programmes, InWEnt helps multiplying partners in Africa, Asia and the Middle East
to provide advanced knowledge in Information and Communication Technologies (ICTs). The key
objectives of the programmes are to strengthen IT sectors in various regions of the world, foster key
innovations in ICTs for development and use ICTs as enabling tools for poverty reduction. 

Within its it <at> foss project (URL: http://www.it-foss.org), InWEnt supports the development and 
application of local innovative software solutions and business models based on Free and Open Source
Software (FOSS) in the ASEAN region. 

URL: http://www.inwent.org 

NETNAM CORPORATION 

After two years of experimenting, NetNam were founded in 1994 by the Institute of Information Technology,
the main pioneer of Internet in Vietnam. At first, NetNam provided E-mail and other Bulletin Board System
services to customers. Other Internet services (WWW, FTP, Telnet, etc.) were not available until the
Vietnam Internet Day, November 19, 1997. 

To maintain and strengthen the qualified manpower in research and training sector, following the
Decision 68/1998/CP of the Government, NetNam Corporation was founded in 1998. As a development and
service-oriented business, NetNam is playing role bridging the gap between research, development and
the market. 

URL: http://www.thoibaoviet.com 

Posted by: 

Francisco "Francis" E. Sarmiento III, MD 
Project Officer 
UNDP-International Open Source Network 
ASEAN+3 Sub-Regional Node 
University of the Philippines Manila-National Telehealth Center 
3rd Floor I.T. Complex, PGH Compound 
Taft Avenue, 1000 MANILA, Philippines 
Telefax no: +00 63 2 5256501 
Mobile: +63 915 8501111 
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Larry Nguyen | 28 Jul 15:21

Linux thua dda^.m o+? China

Mo^.t nu+o+'c ddo^ng da^n nhu+ China ma` ba('t tay vo+'i MS thi` co' le~
Linux desktop ddi ngu? :(

"Last spring President Hu Jintao toured the Microsoft campus in Redmond,
Wash., and was feted at a dinner at Gates’ home. ‘ You are a friend to
the Chinese people, and I am a friend of Microsoft,’ Hu told his host.
‘Every morning I go to my office and use your software.’”

http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/hiner/?p=525

Chu' Gates cho+i chie^u ddo^.c. Kho^ng kie^`m ddu+o+'c piracy thi` ta.i sao
0 ha. gia'? 3 ddo^ cho Windows/Office cho ho.c sinh thi` co' le~ VN cu~ng
bo? Linux ma^'t. 

Ve^` phi'a government, MS ddu+a luo^n source code cho chi'nh phu?. Ta.m
bie^.t Redflag Linux!

-Larry

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