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M. Edward (Ed) Borasky | 1 Feb 2008 03:58
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Re: Multiple versions of gcc

Larry Brigman wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 29, 2008 at 3:11 PM, Robert Kopp <kopp.robert <at> yahoo.com> wrote:
>> I was planning to install FreeFem++, one of the few free applications that is comfortable with the
numerical solution of partial differential equations. I configured, but soon after I typed "make," it
told me that it would like to have gcc-2.95 installed because the results would be better. It doesn't seem
to be readily available (with SuSE 10.3), but in any case I am also concerned about possible conflicts with
later versions of gcc that are installed. Any suggestions? Otherwise I might just tell "make" that I'd
like to proceed regardless, and projects will take a little longer to process.
>>
> 
> Since the old version is not directly installable then you will need to
> grab the tarball for the older version.
> 
> Here is a link for installing and running multiple version of gcc.
> http://gcc.gnu.org/faq.html#installation
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Most packages that claim they "need" gcc <= 3.x aren't very well 
maintained. It's more likely they've used language constructs that crash 
the stricter new compilers than it is that there's a performance/code 
generation problem that requires an older compiler.

So ... try it with the latest compiler and beat up on the maintainer(s) 
to get with the program! :) P.S.: Gentoo has a nice way of handling 
multiple versions of gcc:
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Tony Rick | 1 Feb 2008 04:38
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Re: Disk wiping utility?

On 31 Jan 2008 14:36:11 -0800, Russell Senior <russell <at> personaltelco.net>
wrote:

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> My impression of a quick skim was that the "rebuttal" was filled with
> (paraphrasing) "I couldn't find a reference" and "I can't think how
> that could work".  That's a kind of negative evidence, it raises
> doubts but it doesn't prove that recovery is impossible.
>
> Real mechanisms tend to have real artifacts.
> [ snip snip ]
> That doesn't mean that disk sector contents can be recovered after
> being overwritten.  But it also doesn't mean that just because you
> can't think of how it could work, that it can't.

[snip snip]
>
>
I agree with your point.  It is an argument similar in form to "one cannot
prove the absence of bugs, only their presence", or the one
from the Principal Investigator at the lab where my wife works, "Lack
of evidence is not evidence of lack".

I do not think the point of the article is that it is not possible to
recover overwritten data,  but that Guttman's original article
provides no basis for a claim that it can be and is being done, and
further,  that those who use it that way are propagating myth.

Tony Rick
Just a Guy
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John Jason Jordan | 1 Feb 2008 04:58
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Copy/Paste and Java

I am continuing to troubleshoot problems with TreeForm, a syntax tree generator program written in Java.
Thanks to the developer and help here I have it down to just a couple remaining issues on my Gutsy x86_64
computer. Of these, the most annoying is that copy and paste from TreeForm to other applications fails
completely. I have tried all kinds of applications, from word processors to graphics apps, and evidently
TreeForm's copy command is not placing anything on the Linux clipboard(s).

The developer told me the solution was on this page.

http://java.sun.com/developer/technicalArticles/Programming/linux/

To save people time running off to the above link, I have copied and pasted below what it says about copy and
paste with Java:

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Desktop Differences (Copy and Paste)

If you have been using Windows or a keyboard with a copy and paste key, you might be wondering how to copy and
paste text between Java programs and other desktop programs and terminals.

Linux uses a mouse-driven copy and paste mechanism where mouse button one selects and copies text, and
mouse button two pastes the text. This technique works for Abstract Window Toolkit (AWT) components
because they use the primary selection to achieve copy and paste. Project Swing components, however, use
the system clipboard for copy and paste, and most tools on the desktop, apart from the Netscape browser, do
not use the clipboard.

A workaround to this limitation is to map a key or mouse button to access the system clipboard as follows:

*VT100.Translations: #override \
            <Btn3Up>:                select-end(CLIPBOARD) \n\
            <Btn2Up>:                insert-selection(CLIPBOARD) \n
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m0gely | 1 Feb 2008 07:50

Re: 2008: Linux’s year on the desktop

John Jason Jordan wrote:

> Surely there will be something more after Vista?

It's currently called "Windows 7", and there is a video of the core part 
of the system operating all over the web.

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m0gely | 1 Feb 2008 07:52

Re: Photoshop Elements gig

Ed Sawicki wrote:
> I have a customer that needs informal training on
> Photoshop Elements. Can anyone here do this?

At what level?  Need more info.

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Paul Johnson | 1 Feb 2008 07:54
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Re: 2008: Linux’s year on the desktop

On Jan 31, 2008 3:59 PM, John Jason Jordan <johnxj <at> comcast.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 13:42:08 -0800
> "Paul Johnson" <baloo <at> ursine.ca> dijo:
>
> > > Microsoft will offer WIndows at a very low price, just like they did
> > > on the OLPC...
> >
> > They can't keep doing that forever, especially considering that that
> > Windows susnsets with Vista.
>
> So Microsoft will make no further developments to Windows? There will
> never be a next version after Vista? How does this keep their income
> stream going? Gates owns a lot of stock, but not all of it. Other
> stockholders will expect continued income and profitability. Surely
> there will be something more after Vista?

Back when I heard it in 06, they were moving to focus more on
virtualization products and XBOX.

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David Mandel | 1 Feb 2008 08:37

ANNOUNCEMENT: February PLUG Meeting

                             MEETING ANNOUNCEMENT

                        The Portland Linux/Unix Group
                                  will meet
                          7 PM Thursday Feb 7, 2008
                                      at
                          Portland State University
                                      in
                            New Engineering Building
                                 Room 325
           The building is on SW 4th across from SW College Street.
        See location H-10 on map  at http://pdxLinux.org/campus_map.jpg

      *******************************************************************

                                 PRESENTATION

                        Eclipse Communication Framework

                                      by

                                 Scott Lewis
                           <slewis <at> composent.com>

      *******************************************************************

          Agenda:

              7:00 - 7:30  Business
                   We will discuss the status of our ongoing projects
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Kristian Erik Hermansen | 1 Feb 2008 08:52
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Re: 2008: Linux’s year on the desktop

On Jan 31, 2008 10:50 PM, m0gely <m0gely <at> telestream.com> wrote:
> It's currently called "Windows 7", and there is a video of the core part
> of the system operating all over the web.

Dude, Windows 7 is the same 50 million lines of code that Microsoft
has been crufting-up since NT was born (single millions).  With
Windows 7, it will be even bigger, but attempt to look prettier.  It's
the same insecure OS trying to undig itself out of the back-asswards
architecture they built themselves into.  I first played with Windows
"Longhorn" in 2002.  Yay!  That was nothing like Vista is today.
Where is WinFS and the numerous other features that were supposed to
be integrated?  It all changes so fast at M$ and they are always on
the lookout for a new way to sell computers and more licenses.  With
the shift away from the desktop and into a more service-oriented
architecture, the OS becomes rather meaningless and so why not just
use something that is free :-)  So, this video you speak of is just
Vista with like 2 million more lines of code...
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Paul Johnson | 1 Feb 2008 09:50
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Re: USB Modem

On Jan 31, 2008 3:43 PM, Kristian Erik Hermansen
<kristian.hermansen <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 31, 2008 3:20 PM, Miles Rose <milesros <at> peoplepc.com> wrote:
> > After some neuro-surgery and checking of ports, I find that I do, indeed, have
> > a winmodem here.  Thanks to all who helped with advice, particularly Mr.
> > Johnson.  Now, I just need to find the real thing.
>
> You should still be able to use most winmodems with Linux...

True, but the big question is "why?" unless you absolutely want a
backup modem just in case you're in some bizarre part of the world
that hasn't learned of wifi yet, and your laptop happens to have one
of these neutered buggers built in already.

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M. Edward (Ed) Borasky | 1 Feb 2008 15:59
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: February PLUG Meeting

David Mandel wrote:
>                              MEETING ANNOUNCEMENT
> 
>                         The Portland Linux/Unix Group
>                                   will meet
>                           7 PM Thursday Feb 7, 2008
>                                       at
>                           Portland State University
>                                       in
>                             New Engineering Building
>                                  Room 325
>            The building is on SW 4th across from SW College Street.
>         See location H-10 on map  at http://pdxLinux.org/campus_map.jpg
> 

[snip]

Speaking of which, I think we will need to postpone the planned OLPC XO 
session from March to April. They got a lot more orders than they 
anticipated, and it may be the end of March before everyone in the Give 
One Get One program gets one.
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