Michael Tinsay | 1 Jun 02:22
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Re: NComputing Products... is it really a big discount ?? Can any linux run on it?


There is a local reseller/distribuor.  I believe it goes for 16K or so.

We're also using Atom-based PCs.  They're cheaper up front.

--- mike t.

----- Original Message ----
> From: Holden Hao <holdenhao@...>
> To: Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Technical Discussion List <plug@...>
> Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 12:18:57
> Subject: Re: [plug] NComputing Products... is it really a big discount ?? Can any linux run on it?
> 
> On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Ronald Artos wrote:
> > Check out http://www.ncomputing.com
> >
> > I see it as a replacement for LSTP setup, they claim that the virtual
> > desktop device is cheaper than a normal PC (haven't compared vs a
> > clone/custom_made PC).
> >
> > Anyone have an idea how much cheaper it is and can any Linux distro may run
> > into it?
> >
> > They claim that Ubuntu 8.04 runs stable on it. WinXP works stable too.
> 
> How much does it cost?  We use Intel Atoms.  We can get Atom systems
> at Php 6,000.00/pc (with no hdrive).  The added benefit is that we can
> opt to add a hard drive and we can use it as a stand alone PC.  We use
> PXE booting + Remote X Windows + VIrtual Machines = Thin clients
> displaying whatever OS the user wants.
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Anuerin Diaz | 1 Jun 02:27
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Re: NComputing Products... is it really a big discount ?? Can any linux run on it?

On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 9:11 PM, Holden Hao <holdenhao@...> wrote:
>> > PXE booting + Remote X Windows + VIrtual Machines = Thin clients
>> > displaying whatever OS the user wants.
>>
>> Is this a barebone system that can be purchased by single individuals?
>> I am interested if it is since I need to setup a low-power server at
>> home and this might be better than getting the sheevaplug. :)
>
> The motherboard can be readily purchased from most computer shops.  If you
> have a spare casing you do not need to buy a new one.  But if you need a
> small form factor, it is available as well.  It would be perfect for a
> headless file/torrent server.
>

yes but i cant make it go down as low as 6k (sans hdd). the lowest i
think was around 8K.

ciao!

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Miguel Paraz | 1 Jun 02:36
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Re: md5sum

On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 5:32 AM, Edel SM <sierra2@...> wrote:
> root <at> gw:~# cp appVM-cos5x.tar.7z /data/ && md5sum
> `pwd`/appVM-cos5x.tar.7z /data/appVM-cos5x.tar.7z
> d02e4f177a6c634496a7cb8a7c5c85bb  /root/appVM-cos5x.tar.7z
> f54fd2f63d6561678ac7e76353c9bb33  /data/appVM-cos5x.tar.7z
> root <at> gw:~#
>
> i always end up two different files. could it be because i have a
> slower processor (pentium4 2.4ghz)? or my memory module is faulty?

that's not a slow processor in Linux/C terms...
and even a 386 should produce results.

it's bad memory or maybe a hard drive controller.
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Pablo Manalastas | 1 Jun 03:45
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Re: md5sum


It is possible that the original file has holes, and the
cp expanded the holes.  Thus the md5sum computed different
checksums.  Maybe this is the reason?

Note that holes can be created by write(...), lseek(...),
write(...).

Pablo Manalastas
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--- On Mon, 6/1/09, Edel SM <sierra2@...> wrote:

> From: Edel SM <sierra2@...>
> Subject: [plug] md5sum
> To: "Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Technical Discussion List" <plug <at> lists.linux.org.ph>
> Date: Monday, June 1, 2009, 5:32 AM
> ano kaya prob nito?
> 
> root <at> gw:~# cp appVM-cos5x.tar.7z /data/ && md5sum
> `pwd`/appVM-cos5x.tar.7z /data/appVM-cos5x.tar.7z
> d02e4f177a6c634496a7cb8a7c5c85bb 
> /root/appVM-cos5x.tar.7z
> f54fd2f63d6561678ac7e76353c9bb33 
> /data/appVM-cos5x.tar.7z
> root <at> gw:~#
> 
> i always end up two different files. could it be because i
> have a
> slower processor (pentium4 2.4ghz)? or my memory module is
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Pablo Manalastas | 1 Jun 04:09
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Smartmatic PCOS machines use embedded uClinux


The Smartmatic PCOS computer that they propose to use for the May 2010 elections uses uClinux, uClibC, and a
program that page-scans the paper ballots and counts the votes, all burned into ROM.  Since Smartmatic is
confident enough to burn their election program into ROM, this means that they are sure that their
programs will pass the source code review provision of RA-9369, and will count the votes correctly,
barring bugs in their program.

Read more in my Multiply blog:

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Ronald Artos | 1 Jun 04:11
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Re: NComputing Products... is it really a big discount ?? Can any linux run on it?

But those ATOM PC... regarding the power consumption...

ncomputing claims they're aroung 80% less power consumption against a normal PC. An atom box uses same wattage as a normal PC with less HDD right?


On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 8:22 AM, Michael Tinsay <tinsami1 <at> yahoo.com> wrote:

There is a local reseller/distribuor.  I believe it goes for 16K or so.

We're also using Atom-based PCs.  They're cheaper up front.


--- mike t.




----- Original Message ----
> From: Holden Hao <holdenhao <at> gmail.com>
> To: Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Technical Discussion List <plug-cunTk1MwBs8iFSDQTTA3ONd+tgCGH7ND@public.gmane.org>
> Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 12:18:57
> Subject: Re: [plug] NComputing Products... is it really a big discount ?? Can any linux run on it?
>
> On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Ronald Artos wrote:
> > Check out http://www.ncomputing.com
> >
> > I see it as a replacement for LSTP setup, they claim that the virtual
> > desktop device is cheaper than a normal PC (haven't compared vs a
> > clone/custom_made PC).
> >
> > Anyone have an idea how much cheaper it is and can any Linux distro may run
> > into it?
> >
> > They claim that Ubuntu 8.04 runs stable on it. WinXP works stable too.
>
> How much does it cost?  We use Intel Atoms.  We can get Atom systems
> at Php 6,000.00/pc (with no hdrive).  The added benefit is that we can
> opt to add a hard drive and we can use it as a stand alone PC.  We use
> PXE booting + Remote X Windows + VIrtual Machines = Thin clients
> displaying whatever OS the user wants.
>
>
> Holden
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Rowel Atienza | 1 Jun 04:36
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Re: NComputing Products... is it really a big discount ?? Can any linux run on it?

Normal pc power consumption: 50W and up
Atom based: 25W and up
Ncomputing: less than 5W (but you have to run a separate server,
ncomputing is just a client)

rowel

On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Ronald Artos <ronartos@...> wrote:
> But those ATOM PC... regarding the power consumption...
>
> ncomputing claims they're aroung 80% less power consumption against a normal
> PC. An atom box uses same wattage as a normal PC with less HDD right?
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 8:22 AM, Michael Tinsay <tinsami1@...> wrote:
>>
>> There is a local reseller/distribuor.  I believe it goes for 16K or so.
>>
>> We're also using Atom-based PCs.  They're cheaper up front.
>>
>>
>> --- mike t.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> > From: Holden Hao <holdenhao@...>
>> > To: Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Technical Discussion List
>> > <plug@...>
>> > Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 12:18:57
>> > Subject: Re: [plug] NComputing Products... is it really a big discount
>> > ?? Can any linux run on it?
>> >
>> > On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Ronald Artos wrote:
>> > > Check out http://www.ncomputing.com
>> > >
>> > > I see it as a replacement for LSTP setup, they claim that the virtual
>> > > desktop device is cheaper than a normal PC (haven't compared vs a
>> > > clone/custom_made PC).
>> > >
>> > > Anyone have an idea how much cheaper it is and can any Linux distro
>> > > may run
>> > > into it?
>> > >
>> > > They claim that Ubuntu 8.04 runs stable on it. WinXP works stable too.
>> >
>> > How much does it cost?  We use Intel Atoms.  We can get Atom systems
>> > at Php 6,000.00/pc (with no hdrive).  The added benefit is that we can
>> > opt to add a hard drive and we can use it as a stand alone PC.  We use
>> > PXE booting + Remote X Windows + VIrtual Machines = Thin clients
>> > displaying whatever OS the user wants.
>> >
>> >
>> > Holden
>> > _________________________________________________
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Rowel Atienza | 1 Jun 04:33
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Re: NComputing Products... is it really a big discount ?? Can any linux run on it?

Check out:

http://www.villman.com/Product-Detail/VPC_VORTEX_NETTOP_LF_PC

rowel

>>
>
> yes but i cant make it go down as low as 6k (sans hdd). the lowest i
> think was around 8K.
>
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Michael Tinsay | 1 Jun 04:50
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Re: NComputing Products... is it really a big discount ?? Can any linux run on it?


How much does a Nano-based motherboard consume?  Are they available?  They are supposed to use less than an Atom.

--- mike t.

----- Original Message ----
> From: Rowel Atienza <rowel@...>
> To: Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Technical Discussion List <plug@...>
> Sent: Monday, June 1, 2009 10:36:27
> Subject: Re: [plug] NComputing Products... is it really a big discount ?? Can any linux run on it?
> 
> Normal pc power consumption: 50W and up
> Atom based: 25W and up
> Ncomputing: less than 5W (but you have to run a separate server,
> ncomputing is just a client)
> 
> rowel
> 
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Ronald Artos wrote:
> > But those ATOM PC... regarding the power consumption...
> >
> > ncomputing claims they're aroung 80% less power consumption against a normal
> > PC. An atom box uses same wattage as a normal PC with less HDD right?
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 8:22 AM, Michael Tinsay wrote:
> >>
> >> There is a local reseller/distribuor.  I believe it goes for 16K or so.
> >>
> >> We're also using Atom-based PCs.  They're cheaper up front.
> >>
> >>
> >> --- mike t.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----
> >> > From: Holden Hao 
> >> > To: Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Technical Discussion List
> >> > 
> >> > Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 12:18:57
> >> > Subject: Re: [plug] NComputing Products... is it really a big discount
> >> > ?? Can any linux run on it?
> >> >
> >> > On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Ronald Artos wrote:
> >> > > Check out http://www.ncomputing.com
> >> > >
> >> > > I see it as a replacement for LSTP setup, they claim that the virtual
> >> > > desktop device is cheaper than a normal PC (haven't compared vs a
> >> > > clone/custom_made PC).
> >> > >
> >> > > Anyone have an idea how much cheaper it is and can any Linux distro
> >> > > may run
> >> > > into it?
> >> > >
> >> > > They claim that Ubuntu 8.04 runs stable on it. WinXP works stable too.
> >> >
> >> > How much does it cost?  We use Intel Atoms.  We can get Atom systems
> >> > at Php 6,000.00/pc (with no hdrive).  The added benefit is that we can
> >> > opt to add a hard drive and we can use it as a stand alone PC.  We use
> >> > PXE booting + Remote X Windows + VIrtual Machines = Thin clients
> >> > displaying whatever OS the user wants.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Holden
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andrelst | 1 Jun 07:13
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Re: Embedded Linux Group (was re: embedded dragonball pads)

Got the pogoplug(pplug) from Cloud Engines yesterday. the one that
will replace my aging NSLU2 mini NAS. This is an understatement since
you can install additional Linux applications like mysql, nmap etc. on
top of it. you can ssh to the device as well. Setup was ridiculously
easy. go to the website, create a username/password and that's it.
Literally done within 10 minutes.

At first, It was disappointing and about to return it. No SD slot, No
mini USB, and half the memory at 256Mb compared to the sheevaplug dev
kit(FYI, dev kit runs ubuntu out of the box.)? A bit hot for my taste,
and i'm guessing it's the same as the sheeva dev kit. Looking at
modding a fan to cool it. Cheaply priced at $99, but shipping at 50%
of the product?

After some few test and working on it, it was not that bad and i'm
keeping it. After a few hours, samba, NFS, mysql, lighttpd, nmap,
elinks, coreutils, dnstracer, htop, file, gawk, lsof, ltrace, vim,
net-tools, ntop, privoxy, procps, psmisc, psutils, rsync, screen,
strace, tcpdump, tcpflow, wakelan, whois is running and installed part
on the 512Mb flash(FS is jffs2)... and taking only 60MB? amazing. This
without having plugged in a USB HDD or flash drive yet.

Plugging in a USB HDD, it detected my NTFS drive using the ntfs-3g
driver via fuse. ext2/3 and fat are native modules. speed was not
shabby on a $99 appliance... 14-17 MB/s from pplug to windows 2003 and
only at 60% CPU usage on the ARM 1.2Ghz cpu. For a perspective, WHS
(Windows Home Server) on Athlon64 3000 (1.8Ghz) gives me a throughput
of 20-24MB/s without tweaks on gigabit.

A pplug browser based application and native software is available.
the small software is available for Linux, windows and the iphone. the
software can be installed on any PC. At home, work or anywhere, and
you access the contents of your harddrive. The next day while waiting
for the wife to buy groceries, tested the pogoplug software on the
iphone via GSM 3G. input the username/password combo and that was it.
Accessed my mp3, excel, text files, word documents and jpeg pictures.
 Please note... my initial test shows it's not https but goes to http
on the wire. They are saying https will be supported in the future.

All in all, impressive when you consider it is after all a first gen
device and software. I'm looking forward for additional updates in the
future.

regards,
Andre | http://www.varon.ca

On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 11:28 PM, thad <thad.mailist@...> wrote:
> On 5/12/09, Miguel Paraz <mparaz@...> wrote:
>> On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 7:32 AM, thad <thad.mailist@...> wrote:
>>  > sheeva plug for $99 looks good to begin with, has anybody tried this?
>>
>>
>>
>> looks great:
>>  http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/p-22-sheevaplug-dev-kit.aspx
>>
>>  with an 1.2 Ghz ARM9 - it runs on wall power after all! 1.2 Ghz is too
>>  fast for mobile devices.
>>
>>  But... Good Luck in finding a local vendor for these.
>
> I think I can easily order it here :). I'm thinking to get pogoplug
> and attached usb hdd for file/storage backup and sharing. And it seems
> to have a growing community of users and hackers as well.
>
> http://snipurl.com/hwyy5
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