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Phil M Perry | 1 Jan 2010 02:13
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Re: Chrome and Wave and Android oh my!

Wayne C wrote:


 Excuse me while I go add another layer of foil (does it help if you ground the foil?)

Wasn't there a study by MIT about the effectiveness of tin foil hats and how they boost signals around 1.4 ish & 2.6 ghz instead of suppressing them? Your trying to trick us aren't you?

Matthias Johnson


DRATTS!!!! Caught me in my evil scheme. Here I was trying to expose you all to the minions of evil at Google and elsewhere but Sean and Mattias are too smart for me.....BWAHAHAHAHA!
Shouldn't it be "nCURSES! Foiled again!"? HNY everyone!
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Chris Knadle | 1 Jan 2010 02:55
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Re: Chrome and Wave and Android oh my!

On Thursday 31 December 2009, Derek J. Balling wrote:
> Replying to various points here...
> 
> > This statement is self-contradictory.  Comparing a "turned off
> > flashlight" to a "turned off cellphone" is equal.  Both are
> > disabled circuits.
> 
> Not at all. A turned off cellphone is in standby mode in 99.99% of
>  all cases, because the power "switch" is a soft-button, not a
>  open-gate.

I'll just mention that batteries have internal resistance which is why 
they slowly loose charge even when not connnected to anything.

> >> Could you ask them how?  I'd be very surprised if it's by virtue
> >> of some communication feature of the cell phone.  As Mike K
> >> pointed out,  we wouldn't be allowed to bring a cellphone on
> >> board a plane at all if it were able to transmit while turned
> >> off.
> >
> > I agree.  This sounds bogus.  Evidence, please.
> 
> http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2006/12/can_you_hear_me.html
> 
> You have the right to retract your position, because it can -- and
>  has -- been done, and I suppose if I felt strongly enough about
>  it, we could try to dig up the unclassified parts of the court
>  case mentioned in that article, but here's the executive summary:
> 
> 	- The FBI can remotely use your cell phone as a listening device,
>  even while it's turned off, without ever having to physically
>  touch it, and - The court has ruled, as part of what appear to be
>  evidentiary proceedings based on evidence gathered in that
>  fashion, that this is an acceptable practice.
> 
> So, there's your evidence.

News stories aren't always right -- these days there's a lot less fact 
checking and a lot more hype than there used to be.  I've lost count 
how many news stories come directly from blogs.  :-/  I'm not going to 
go as far as to claim that it's not possible, however I will say that 
it is unlikely.  How would the FBI address the phone when it wasn't 
communicating with the towers to know where it is in order to know 
which tower to transmit from to activate something on the phone?  
Also, keep in mind that it's possible only certain devices contain the 
necessary circuitry -- which is why I like Mike's thought of checking 
to see what communication occurs on _your_ cellphone when it's off.

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Derek J. Balling | 1 Jan 2010 03:06

Re: Chrome and Wave and Android oh my!


On Dec 31, 2009, at 8:55 PM, Chris Knadle wrote:
News stories aren't always right -- these days there's a lot less fact
checking and a lot more hype than there used to be.  I've lost count
how many news stories come directly from blogs.  :-/

They seem to quote from the Court's decision, and the quote *specifically* says it worked whether the device was on or off:

According to the recent court ruling by U.S. District Court Judge Lewis Kaplan, "The device functioned whether the phone was powered on or off, intercepting conversations within its range wherever it happened to be."   

so unless your assertion is that the ABC journalists are so bad that they put words in the mouth of a Federal Judge....

 I'm not going to
go as far as to claim that it's not possible, however I will say that
it is unlikely.  How would the FBI address the phone when it wasn't
communicating with the towers to know where it is in order to know
which tower to transmit from to activate something on the phone?  

I think the whole point is that this refutes the assertion that when the phone is powered off it isn't communicating with the towers. It *is* communicating with the towers, just at a reduced signal strength or frequency, perhaps, but clearly there is SOME communication with the towers happening, even in the 'off' state, or the Genovese crime family wouldn't have had a crapton of evidence against them that they wanted thrown out of court.

Also, keep in mind that it's possible only certain devices contain the
necessary circuitry -- which is why I like Mike's thought of checking
to see what communication occurs on _your_ cellphone when it's off.

If I were a betting man, I would bet that this all coincides with the timing of when GPS was mandated to be added for E911 calls from mobile devices. I'd bet that any phone that meets that standard has all the necessary "stuff".


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Sean Dague | 1 Jan 2010 15:54
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Re: Chrome and Wave and Android oh my!

On 12/31/2009 05:39 PM, Derek J. Balling wrote:
> Replying to various points here...
> 
>> This statement is self-contradictory.  Comparing a "turned off
>> flashlight" to a "turned off cellphone" is equal.  Both are disabled
>> circuits.
> 
> Not at all. A turned off cellphone is in standby mode in 99.99% of all
> cases, because the power "switch" is a soft-button, not a open-gate.
> 
> Many cell phones, you might note, even have a red LED to indicate
> "they're off".

You've must have had different phones than I, because startup from all
my phones has been exactly the same from off and off and battery pulled.
 That includes my current android phone.

If people think off is standby, that's different, but proper off is off.

Maybe it's an iPhone thing only.

	-Sean

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Derek J. Balling | 1 Jan 2010 16:44

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On Jan 1, 2010, at 9:54 AM, Sean Dague wrote:
> You've must have had different phones than I, because startup from all
> my phones has been exactly the same from off and off and battery pulled.
> That includes my current android phone.

I'm not claiming that there's a "magnificent difference" between the two from the user's perspective, I'm
simply saying there's a world of difference, logically, between a flashlight with a clearly defined
"open switch", and a cellphone which uses soft-power-buttons and has LEDs to indicate "powered off".

Cheers,
D

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Sean Dague | 1 Jan 2010 18:51
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Happy New Year from SpamAssassin

As many folks on this list may be running SA on their Linux server
environments, this is probably of note:

Those of you using SpamAssassin to filter your mail may want to watch
things a bit more closely than usual; it seems that current versions
still include the rule known as FH_DATE_PAST_20XX, which adds 2-3 points
to any message with a 2010 date in the headers. Surprisingly enough,
such dates have suddenly become common, with the result that
SpamAssassin may be generating more false positives than usual. The fix
is to add:

    score FH_DATE_PAST_20XX 0.0

to the local.cf file.

http://lwn.net/Articles/368396/

	-Sean

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Sean Dague | 1 Jan 2010 23:38
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New Year's Resolution, trying to nail down the lecture series in January

As many of you already know, I've been working on pinning people down on
talks way further out than before.  Part of my resolve for 2010 is to
get the lecture series nailed down fully during January (even if it's
just penciled in).  After seeing that done for the Astronomy group, it
definitely makes for a far more reduced stress operation.

That gives people a lot of time to work on talks, and takes a lot of the
pressure off for throwing together last minute talks.

That means I'll be knocking (or have already been knocking) on a lot of
doors during January, and trying to pin people into commitments early.

If you have any interest in speaking this year, or have some good ideas
on talks, please let me know sooner rather than later.

I also have 3 subjects I'd like to get on the calendar, but need a
speaker for.

* Samba
* Drupal
* Firefox/Thunderbird extensions - including development of said extensions

If you would have any interest in picking up one of those talks, or know
someone that might be good for them, please contact me.

Thanks a bunch,

	-Sean

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Brian Sutcliffe | 2 Jan 2010 03:53
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Re: Wireless Keyboard For Mythdora

Sorry I did not make it to the myth presentation the group had.

I like the small keyboard concept because it is harder to lose and easier to type queries to lookup TV listings on the keyboard.

I have used x11vnc to control it, but it has to be spouse friendly.


Does anyone have experience with cable cards from time Warner? The monthly charge is cheap enough, but I will need two. One for each tuner. If I don't use cable cards I need two cable boxes and two IR blasters. With two cable cards I need two PCMCIA ports on the PC.

Time Warner will not let me do a self install of the cable cards. They want $40 to install them. I am afraid if I have them come out to install two cable cards on a mythtv setup they will think I have two heads.

I understand I can't do pay per view. I have a hacked AppleTV for that, but I thought I read somewhere that cable cards were going away.

My current mythtv has one tuner and I use it to record one channel at a time. To get promoted to the living room I need to be able to watch one and record another.

Thanks.

Brian

> From: Chris.Knadle-QTaIpnqiE1FzbRFIqnYvSA@public.gmane.org
> To: mhvlug <at> mhvlug.org
> Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:59:30 -0500
> Subject: Re: [mhvlug] Wireless Keyboard For Mythdora
>
> On Wednesday 30 December 2009, Brian Sutcliffe wrote:
> > I will check out the one you listed.
> >
> > I would like to replace my Time Warner DVR. I hate it. It goes into
> > DVR Sleep mode if you do not touch the controls for 2 hours.
> > Really stupid. I read online that they do this to save hard
> > drives.
> >
> > I really like mythtv. But I need to be able to control it from the
> > couch.
>
> I'll just repeat a couple of things were discussed during the MythTV
> talk:
>
> - You can buy a USB infrared remote that will work with Linux
> and MythTV
> - MythTV also has an interface for remote control over the web
>
> i.e. it's doubly possible to control MythTV from your couch: either by
> a sepeately purchased infrared remote, or via a laptop.
>
> -- Chris
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Mike Kershaw | 2 Jan 2010 05:16

Re: Wireless Keyboard For Mythdora

On Fri, Jan 01, 2010 at 09:53:20PM -0500, Brian Sutcliffe wrote:
> Does anyone have experience with cable cards from time Warner? The monthly charge is cheap enough, but I
will need two. One for each tuner. If I don't use cable cards I need two cable boxes and two IR blasters. With
two cable cards I need two PCMCIA ports on the PC. 
> 
> Time Warner will not let me do a self install of the cable cards. They want $40 to install them. I am afraid if I
have them come out to install two cable cards on a mythtv setup they will think I have two heads.
> 

Cable cards are supported only on Windows (and I think, only on Vista,
with the new DRM settings).  They will not, as far as I know, work with
myth.

They are also only authorized for pre-built cablecard devices, not
general purpose PCs.

> I understand I can't do pay per view. I have a hacked AppleTV for that, but I thought I read somewhere that
cable cards were going away. 

FCC has admitted that as they stand now, they're not usable in most
cases.

-m

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Sean Dague | 2 Jan 2010 16:25
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Any specific scenarios people want for the git talk?

I've got a pretty hefty slide deck for the Git presentation on
Wednesday, with lots of diagrams to visualy explain what's going on
around merges, one of the key areas that people get lost early on.

As explanations make a lot more sense with diagrams, I'd be interested
in any specific questions around git that folks had upfront, so I could
make sure to have prepped helpful diagrams to explain.

	-Sean

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