Re: Accessing partitions in drive images

On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 6:44 PM, Jon "maddog" Hall <maddog@...> wrote:
>>   I started looking into this more today, and quickly rediscovered how
>> much of a giant pile of kludges the IBM-PC is.
>
> The IBM PC was released in 1981.  You expected something other than
> "kludges"?

  Heh.  Anything old will have its share of historical accidents, to
be sure.  But there's reasonable design failings, and then there's
design by the infinite monkey method.  As much as I live and play in
the IBM-PC world... much like laws and sausage, it's best not to look
too closely at the innards.

-- Ben

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Re: Accessing partitions in drive images

On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 6:35 PM, Ben Scott <dragonhawk@...> wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Bill Freeman <ke1g.nh@...> wrote:
>> There are at least four different meanings of "floppy" in use here
>
>  I started looking into this more today, and quickly rediscovered how
> much of a giant pile of kludges the IBM-PC is.  I'm now far more
> confused than I was when I started.  So, to go back to the original
> question -- "Why are USB flash drives partitioned?" -- I now think
> it's because the Illuminati like OS/2.
>

My suspicion is a lot if it is because "we've always done it that
way."  Once started, it continued.

I haven't used WIndows in years, but my Linux box gladly takes USB
flash drives partioned or not, in a variety of filesystems (I've used
FAT, VFAT, ext2, ext3, xfs, haven't tried BTRFS yet).  However, all
the USB flash drives I've purchased have been partitioned with one
partion, formated with some FAT variety.

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> Anything old will have its share of historical accidents, to be
> sure.  But there's reasonable design failings, and then there's
> design by the infinite monkey method.

You have insulted an infinite number of monkeys.  IBM used to
publish the source codes for their BIOS in the little 3-ring
binder full of docs they supplied with each PeeCee.  Let's be
charitable and just say that they were clear evidence that
the author(s) had little (if any) experience with assembler
language programming or the 8088 architecture.  At best (we
surmised at the time) they were an attempt to more or less
blindly translate fragments of CP/M code from 8080 to 8088.
Naturally, that glop was enshrined as a global standard...

Re: Accessing partitions in drive images

On 01/31/2012 07:14 PM, Ben Scott wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 6:44 PM, Jon "maddog" Hall <maddog@...> wrote:
>>>   I started looking into this more today, and quickly rediscovered how
>>> much of a giant pile of kludges the IBM-PC is.
>> The IBM PC was released in 1981.  You expected something other than
>> "kludges"?
>   Heh.  Anything old will have its share of historical accidents, to
> be sure.  But there's reasonable design failings, and then there's
> design by the infinite monkey method.  As much as I live and play in
> the IBM-PC world... much like laws and sausage, it's best not to look
> too closely at the innards.
Compare the Apple model to the IBM model.
Apple model is closed and controlled by one company.
The IBM-PC was open. Many manufacturers of systems, mother boards, and
just about every thing else. So it kind of falls into the infinite
monkey paradigm.

But, as new technology comes around you will get kludges. Remember the
640K memory limitation. There were all sorts of kludges to expand memory
on the PC.

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Re: Yum errors

On 30 Jan 2012 15:57:48 -0500
kevin_d_clark@... (Kevin D. Clark) wrote:

> 
> M D L writes:
> 
> > Attempting to update Fedora 15 I've been having errors:
> > ERROR with rpm_check_debug vs depsolve:
> > libibus-1.0.so.0()(64bit) is needed by eekboard-1.0.5-1.fc15.x86_64
> > libibus-1.0.so.0()(64bit) is needed by ibus-hangul-1.4.0-1.fc15.x86_64
> > Please report this error in http://yum.baseurl.org/report
> 
> What happens when you RPM-uninstall libibus, eekboard, and ibus-hangul
> and then try to re-install these RPMs right after this?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> --kevin
> -- 
I've been afraid to try, fearing I may not get it reinstalled. 

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On 01/31/2012 08:38 PM, Michael ODonnell wrote:
>
>> Anything old will have its share of historical accidents, to be
>> sure.  But there's reasonable design failings, and then there's
>> design by the infinite monkey method.
> You have insulted an infinite number of monkeys.  IBM used to
> publish the source codes for their BIOS in the little 3-ring
> binder full of docs they supplied with each PeeCee.  Let's be
> charitable and just say that they were clear evidence that
> the author(s) had little (if any) experience with assembler
> language programming or the 8088 architecture.  At best (we
> surmised at the time) they were an attempt to more or less
> blindly translate fragments of CP/M code from 8080 to 8088.
> Naturally, that glop was enshrined as a global standard...
We are still living in the shadow of the 8080. Limited registers (even
the x86-64). (I learned assembler on the PDP-8 
Basically the PC-DOS was a hack in itself. There are many stories about
how Digital Research missed the boat there.

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